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Why people should have a choice!


You always have a choice on your employment, right? Isn't that what conservatives are always saying when employers fire/blackball people for political expression that they don't agree with? Or when employers issue mandates that people don't like (except when the mandate is perceived to be "woke," of course, in which case it's a violation of their Constitutional rights)?
 
I have no issue with employers mandating a Vax..... I've stated that before, you have the right to walk away from that job, or in many cases easily get a religious exemption. Of course employers couldn't in the case of C19 mandate a Vax until it had been deemed non-experimental. But once it was private business was free to do what they wanted with in the current law.

I do have a huge problem with Govt mandating a vax ,masking and Lockdowns for non extinction level events. MY issue was with the Democratic party.... and their desire for GOVT MANDATES.

 
I have no issue with employers mandating a Vax..... I've stated that before, you have the right to walk away from that job, or in many cases easily get a religious exemption. Of course employers couldn't in the case of C19 mandate a Vax until it had been deemed non-experimental. But once it was private business was free to do what they wanted with in the current law.

I do have a huge problem with Govt mandating a vax ,masking and Lockdowns for non extinction level events. MY issue was with the Democratic party.... and their desire for GOVT MANDATES.


This is what our document says:

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

I don't necessarily philosophically agree with a government mandate on just about anything medical either, but practically speaking, how would it not be promoting the general welfare?
 
Children have had to be vaxed to attend school for years and years. Suddenly you have a problem with it? Stop it.
 
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This is what our document says:

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

I don't necessarily philosophically agree with a government mandate on just about anything medical either, but practically speaking, how would it not be promoting the general welfare?
If the Vax can have adverse effects on peoples health mental or physical does that promote the General Welfare? When half the population is against mandates does that promote the General Welfare? I think not as it creates, hate, division and Alienation.
 
Children have had to be vaxed to attend school for years and years. Suddenly you have a problem with it? Stop it.
Children are not Adults.....and you do know it's a simple form to fill out for religious exemptions and many do get that form filled out. It's the law..



I am pro vax for those who want to get it or have their Children get Vax..... For those who don't while I think it's unwise as a Person who Respects Freedom of Choice, believes everyone has the Right to control what goes in their body and doesn't want to oppress others with my belief's... I say let them not vax.

I do totally understand you are a Fascist at heart and take great pleasure in wanting to force your Belief's and Idea's upon other Human Beings.
 
If the Vax can have adverse effects on peoples health mental or physical does that promote the General Welfare? When half the population is against mandates does that promote the General Welfare? I think not as it creates, hate, division and Alienation.

All, and I mean all vaccines (and medications and procedures) can have potential adverse effects on people's health. The medical decision being made is "do the benefits of the vaccine (or medication or procedure) outweigh the risk of adverse effects from the vaccine (or medication or procedure) vs. the disease or condition." You know this, of course. Also, "the general welfare" is not a phrase that is generally meant to be understood as "popular."
 
Fascists at heart vote for a party that is so authoritarian it won’t accept election results. 100+ House GOPers joined the former guy to try to overthrow what makes us great. But stay in your dream world.
 
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Go back to when Trump's election was confirmed in the Senate. There were many democrats making motions to not recognize electors from Republican States in an effort to keep Trump out of the White House. Democrats invented being an election denier. Both sides do exactly the same thing every election
Did they then organize a march on the capital, destroying government property, and injuring capital police during the process ?
 
Go back to when Trump's election was confirmed in the Senate. There were many democrats making motions to not recognize electors from Republican States in an effort to keep Trump out of the White House. Democrats invented being an election denier. Both sides do exactly the same thing every election
No they don’t.
 
Fascists at heart vote for a party that is so authoritarian it won’t accept election results. 100+ House GOPers joined the former guy to try to overthrow what makes us great. But stay in your dream world.

So it's all equal now..... Russian Hoax believer......You stood with this belief and narrative spewed by Democratic leaders and Their Lap dogs aka the MSM and you still do it appears. Denying that Trump was elected by legitimate means and votes. Or did in the last few elections you vote 3rd party? If so then I concede I misjudged you!
 
Did they then organize a march on the capital, destroying government property, and injuring capital police during the process ?
Did Trump organize this? Nope... Did some radicals organize it and some other Knuckle heads tag along to get a look at the capital? Yes.

If you actually believe this was a legit effort to overthrow the Govt and the Election then I can't help you. I've never seen a unarmed Coup before, or one that Ended so peacefully. Was it a Riot... yes at times. Did some people loot and react with aggression with the Police yes. And they should be punished and it appears they are.

I will point out again that this is how things turn out when for Months you have the Democratic Party actively engaging in and supporting their Radicals who lay siege to Federal Buildings and Annex blocks of major cities going as far as to raise funds to bail them out of jail and legally represent them in court.

I guess Dem's still expect the Reps to just turn the other cheek as in the past..... while they and their radicals do whatever.

Obviously that time has passed with the conservative Fringe adopting the same type of tactics. And that without a doubt has the Dem's on full tilt.
 
No they don’t.
Maybe you should look a bit deeper into all that Dem's Shelia Jackson Lee and Barbra Lee spear headed a effort ....and tried to rally support to challenge Trumps EC victory.. It was only the 4th time since 1877 a challenge to the EC had been lodged.

A Quote From Jackson Lee..."Wide Spread Voter Suppression in states won by Trump tarnished the Results"

Rep. James McGovern protested Bama votes Citing Russian interference.

Rep Jamie Raskin and Rep Raul Grijalva lodged Protests from various states.

Nancy Pelosi supported the Idea of lawmakers protesting the EC election.

This info. is from the Left leaning Politico if you are interested.... so yeah from before Trump took office Dem's where saying and making motions to make Trumps election and swearing in bogus.
 
All, and I mean all vaccines (and medications and procedures) can have potential adverse effects on people's health. The medical decision being made is "do the benefits of the vaccine (or medication or procedure) outweigh the risk of adverse effects from the vaccine (or medication or procedure) vs. the disease or condition." You know this, of course. Also, "the general welfare" is not a phrase that is generally meant to be understood as "popular."
Again the Crux of my argument is, can or should the Govt be able to force it upon the populace..... Even if the benefits out way the risks the Fed's should not infringe on peoples rights and Force Vax... because the result will inflame and sow seeds of discontent.

While promote the General Welfare is in the preamble of the Constitution...it really is referring to the Document of the Constitution promoting the General welfare of the people and their liberty IE the Liberty to not be forced by the govt to do things that infringe on said liberty.. IN fact no where in the constitution or Bill of Rights does infringing on peoples rights even remotely seem to be the intent of the document. In reality the document was written for just the opposite reason even going so far as to spell out certain inalienable rights. If you are promoting General Welfare to secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves ... I don't think Forced Vax, Mask mandates and Lockdowns fit the Bill of that definition.

Seems to be a real stretch on your part to take a single phrase from the preamble that is referencing the Document as a whole and some how apply that to a vaccine?
 
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There was no “hoax”. His campaign met 40+ times with Russians. Manafort and Stone collaborated directly and via Wikileaks with Russians. Denial doesn’t look good on you.

Provide a list of other candidates who have met with Russia during a campaign and then got onstage and kissed Putin’s ring?????
 
Literally they found no evidence of Collusion or a coordinated campaign or that they conspired with the Russian's.

Trying to connect unrelated dots as evidence in a propaganda effort to fulfill some personal hate crusade is your normal operating mode. Toots business as Normal.


I mean now the whole Mar-a-Largo thing is going Tits up as well LOL..... I totally believe Trump took the documents because of his EGO.



Maybe one day they will get Trump for J walking....
 
This was just from yesterday. Rand Paul staffer funneled Russian money into Trump’s 2016 campaign. Guilty. Smoke everywhere but you say no fire. Hoax my arse.

 
Again the Crux of my argument is, can or should the Govt be able to force it upon the populace..... Even if the benefits out way the risks the Fed's should not infringe on peoples rights and Force Vax... because the result will inflame and sow seeds of discontent.

While promote the General Welfare is in the preamble of the Constitution...it really is referring to the Document of the Constitution promoting the General welfare of the people and their liberty IE the Liberty to not be forced by the govt to do things that infringe on said liberty.. IN fact no where in the constitution or Bill of Rights does infringing on peoples rights even remotely seem to be the intent of the document. In reality the document was written for just the opposite reason even going so far as to spell out certain inalienable rights. If you are promoting General Welfare to secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves ... I don't think Forced Vax, Mask mandates and Lockdowns fit the Bill of that definition.

Seems to be a real stretch on your part to take a single phrase from the preamble that is referencing the Document as a whole and some how apply that to a vaccine?

While the courts have found that government doesn't derive any of its substantive powers from the Preamble (unless it can be found or properly implied elsewhere in the Constitution) in Jacobson vs. Massachusetts 197 U.S. 11 (1905), they also have found in that exact same case, these jewels:

"The liberty secured by the Constitution of the United States does not import an absolute right in each person to be at all times, and in all circumstances, wholly freed from restraint..."
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"It is within the police power of a State to enact a compulsory vaccination law, and it is for the legislature, and not for the courts, to determine in the first instance whether vaccination is or is not the best mode..."
 
Yes I am well aware of that.... that is why some States enacted laws to throttle the Feds over reach. My point is again that a Oppressive Federal Mandate is bad for the country, bad for the individual and should be resisted by all who believe in Freedom.
 
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Yes I am well aware of that.... that is why some States enacted laws to throttle the Feds over reach. My point is again that a Oppressive Federal Mandate is bad for the country, bad for the individual and should be resisted by all who believe in Freedom.

"No true Scotsman" fallacy.
 
Again the Crux of my argument is, can or should the Govt be able to force it upon the populace..... Even if the benefits out way the risks the Fed's should not infringe on peoples rights and Force Vax... because the result will inflame and sow seeds of discontent.

While promote the General Welfare is in the preamble of the Constitution...it really is referring to the Document of the Constitution promoting the General welfare of the people and their liberty IE the Liberty to not be forced by the govt to do things that infringe on said liberty.. IN fact no where in the constitution or Bill of Rights does infringing on peoples rights even remotely seem to be the intent of the document. In reality the document was written for just the opposite reason even going so far as to spell out certain inalienable rights. If you are promoting General Welfare to secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves ... I don't think Forced Vax, Mask mandates and Lockdowns fit the Bill of that definition.

Seems to be a real stretch on your part to take a single phrase from the preamble that is referencing the Document as a whole and some how apply that to a vaccine?
Have you noticed a pattern here..? Any time you get facts that you don't agree with, you change the subject. Fat Donnie and his so called legal team (after the election) did in fact organize the 1/6 riot on the capital. In time it will be legally proven either by DOJ prosecutors and/or the newly appointed special counsel.
 
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Have you noticed a pattern here..? Any time you get facts that you don't agree with, you change the subject. Fat Donnie and his so called legal team (after the election) did in fact organize the 1/6 riot on the capital. In time it will be legally proven either by DOJ prosecutors and/or the newly appointed special counsel.
Whoa. Do Homey the CLOWN and I have something in COMMON!? I might have to head to the Ampipe pool hall early...
 
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Funny that the republicans don't talk about Trump and his birth certificate hoax. He even sent people to Hawaii to find the birth certificate.
 
DOJ said Clinton was in possession of dozens of emails containing top secret information but that "no prosecutor would ever bring charges in the case" . Same reasoning will apply to Trump. Hard copies in boxes in Mar lago were much more secure than in Clinton's Server
Meaning what ? You had how long to try to come up with something on Clinton and failed ? I guess that Fat Donnie can do no wrong..!
 
Clinton and Trump did exactly the same thing. They were in possession of, and mishandled Top Secret information. How can they possibly charge Trump when they declined to charge Clinton???
Apples and Oranges... They tried over a period of about three years to get at Clinton. you do remember the Benghazi Committee led by the sniveling little turd Trey Gowdy. Their investigation went on and on with Clinton appearing in person to testify. The proceeding proved to be ridiculous and the committee proved absolutely nothing against Clinton. In the end, many people thought that it was a sham designed to hurt her presidential campaign.
As for Fat Donnie... hopefully he will be forced to testify on his own behalf. My guess is the he will repeatedly take the fifth as he has done in the past. They already have him dead to right in Georgia for his election meddling and New York may bring him up on tax fraud charges. If nothing else, he has to find a way to become president again so that he can avoid all of the above...
 
State of New York has dropped all investigations into Trumps business dealings and is back to focus on investigating payments to Stormy Daniels,,,and taxpayers are shelling out money for lawyers for this crap . You would think after investigating Trump for six years they would finally give up.
He's not president and he doesn't have Bill Barr running interference for him anymore. His tax evasion will be referred to the SDNY. The poor slob has a lot on his legal plate !
 
Have you noticed a pattern here..? Any time you get facts that you don't agree with, you change the subject. Fat Donnie and his so called legal team (after the election) did in fact organize the 1/6 riot on the capital. In time it will be legally proven either by DOJ prosecutors and/or the newly appointed special counsel.
If so then I will admit I'm wrong but at this point the Proof has not been put forth.......I've seen no facts or evidence put forth. Just a bunch of speculation and theories.
 
Meaning what ? You had how long to try to come up with something on Clinton and failed ? I guess that Fat Donnie can do no wrong..!
I agree a lot of smoke no evidence..... same As Trump. I guess you don't see they are one in the same. Political games.
 
The vaccines saved lies. Ron DeSantis said this during Spring/summer of 2021. He literally said “if you are fully vaccinated you basically have zero chance of dying from Covid”. Then internal polling showed that was not a popular stance with the Maga crowd so he did a 180 for purely political reasons instead of focusing on the safety of his citizens.

Your freedom from vaccines nonsense has energized the anti-vaxers in this country, making it a political stance now and as a nation our school aged children have the lowest vaccination rate in many years leaving them susceptible to illnesses that have previously been almost eliminated.
 
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This the same DeSantis that asked the FL Supreme Court to allow for a grand jury to investigate the vaccine makers?
 
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