No I would say you kick him out of school and be done with it. But not a teachers job to try to impart their viewpoints on our kids,
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Teachers, especially in elementary spend a huge amount of time teaching kids how to act, how to work together, how to handle conflict, etc etc etc. you have no idea what goes on in a school or what is important.
I just wonder how many on here, can look back to when they were in school and think about what they learned from their coaches, hard work, teamwork, and discipline.
But don't you be teaching my kids character education.
But don't you be teaching my kids character education.
Read the board often, comment rarely. MG, I agree on most things with you. This ain't one.
I'm in the middle 1/3 of my education career. Your comment is why teachers and coaches are leaving in droves. There are teachers and coaches fighting the good fight daily. They are tired, it seems unwinnable. And I think it is partly unwinnable. A 30 minute discussion at the dinner table erases hours of ethics that teachers and coaches are trying to instill into kids. Ethics that we would ALL agree are positive. I agree 100% that it should be the parents job, but it isn't happening. I know there are bad apples in the education world, as there are in your comparison to the Vatican. But both institutions are trying to do more good than harm, you just rarely hear about that part.
CRT is a different story entirely. But teachers and coaches trying to get kids to be respectful, on time, and hard working isn't too much to ask. And if it was happening at home, we wouldn't have to ask at all.
Character development and enforcing discipline and rules are not the same. You can consequence and expel students for bad behavior but imprinting your own personal belief system and ideology on students is not part of the job.
Simple solution, Tommy calling Jimmy the N word is not acceptable at school and if you continue to do so and you will be dealt using harsh consequences. Mary stealing is not going to be tolerated at school if you continue to do so we will call the proper authorities and you will be dealt with. Sandy cheat and you fail. Roger continue with your rude and belligerent behavior and the school will enact it's disciplinary policy to deal with you.
I agree that Coaches and some teachers fight the good fight...but as you said it's really a losing battle if the Environment is not suitable. I fight that daily at work the difference is I understand that even intense therapy and a regiment of psychotropic drugs is not greatly effective if the patient and the people around the patient are not motivated to change.
I think we are defining character differently. I'm all for teachers enforcing the rule of law and putting forth good ethical structures in the classroom. But delving into Character development or moral and dogma tenants is a bit out of bounds as it could run counter to the belief system of the parents . I see CRT, the pushing of the Socialist economic idea's and that Capitalism is oppressive, that math or certain subjects are oppressive as well....and a whole host of other leftwing dogma as trying to manipulate the character of students. The Whole LBGQ+ material that some schools are putting forth can and does run counter to families with more traditional and religious beliefs. Teaching students to be respectful of differences is one thing....deep diving into these subjects with agenda is a issue for a lot of people.
I don't think any decent parent is against good ethical idea's being put forth by the local teachers. But it becomes dicey when Teachers dive into a Belief system to define and adjust the moral character of students. That is the rub.
And a big thank you for the prop's....it was appreciated.
Nobody is against teachers doing that, imparting good citizenship is fine. But a lot of teachers take it upon themselves to try and spread their own Moral Code to their students.
No one is against instilling the traits of hard work, teamwork and discipline in kids. It's the character development of some teachers who spew the opposite of those ideals.
So only specific character traits should be taught. Are you going to make us a list of what traits we should and shouldn't teach?
Do you know of teachers who “spew the opposite of these ideals?” These are lunatic ravings you might hear from a Tucker or Rush.
Not one. Some do a better job of instilling them, but not one has ever said the opposite.
What school doesn't teach math? You just make up crap!
Me specifically? No but the community through the School Board and Administration should.
There is a lot of that I can link...but you don't read links.
I said that they believe math is oppressive....I don't make stuff up. Read this link and see if you can disseminate the information to your cerebrum.
'Math is Racist' Crowd Runs Rampant in Seattle, Portland
The math war has been raging for years on the West Coast, where progressives have almost total control over school curricula.
www.newsweek.com
You literally have my post in your response. I wonder where you read that I stated they where not teaching math or do you lack basic 6th grade reading comprehension skills and not understand that there is a faction that are saying math is oppressive/racist......that was my point?
At this juncture most of your analysis comes across as crap because you misconstrue so much that it's hard to take you seriously. Making a occasional mistake is one thing a whole host of misunderstandings like above is telling because is not the first time in reading my post that you have whiffed badly and then called me out for making stuff up when in fact it's your lack of ability to understand the written word that is the issue.
Now of course I'm sure you will also misconstrue my above post as being mean and derogatory. That is not my point at all. To make it simple the point is either you don't understand which I hope is not the case or you don't take the time to analyze what is put forth and you make a snap judgement and then respond emotionally.
No doubt. I had a great discussion with my wife about this last night. There's just not a lot of teaching of right and wrong. And the problem is what you and I think is right, another group thinks is wrong. We have to get back to some middle ground on what that is so it can be enforced universally, otherwise students are going to formulate their moral compass by other influences (social media, especially) and that is a terrifying thought. This is why I don't trash private schools like some others (except for recruiting in sports lol) They can at least say "This establishment believes in A,B, and C. Those things will be taught and enforced" I can respect that. I believe we will see a pretty big exodus from public education. More and more parents will send their students to private schools or homeschool them if they have the means.
Enjoy your weekend gents.
The exodus is here
The happy ones are near
Let's get together before we get much older
Teenage wasteland
It's only teenage wasteland
Can you imagine someone with issues seeing that guy. He would talk for their entire session.
Oh so his post wasn't condescending? He literally said I Lied and Made crap up. I get it you are massively biased. But either he can't read and comprehend a pretty basic post written at a very basic level or he is a calling me a liar.
This isn't the first time he has done this type of BS....in fact he quickly did it again saying I wanted to round up children on the Dark Triad scale and Dark empathy scale and eliminate them. A 100% false lie and more than likely a sick reflection of his own personality and his simpleton answer to a complex dilemma.
So either he has a lack of acuity when reading or he is trying to discredit myself by calling me a liar and blatantly misinterpreting my post and reinterpreting them in a horrible and reprehensible manner.
Either way I not giving him any quarter for his actions, both are in bad form.
I never once stated that or even insinuated that...I am a competent man. No more and No less.Remember now... He knows it all !
No 100% erroneous analysis...I post on here because I listen all the time as that is my trade as opposed to bloviating, patients have to find their own path and trying to talk someone into finding that path is futile.
Can you imagine toots teaching students .. probably belittling and demonizing Students he taught that he had a personal dislike for. Losing all professional demeanor no doubt.
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I agree with your post ...and attacking Private schools in sports is warranted but they have a lot of benefits as well.
