What should the Birds give up for one year of Lorenzo Cain?
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he was hobbly all last year, and got outplayed by Paulo Orlando...but when he's healthy, I'd love to have him
He has one year left on his deal. They could sign him long term if a deal is worked out. But he will get a large raise.
Not a bit...I'm awful at this stuff...but lets say...Adams and two of Weaver/Lyons/Mayers/Cooney/Gonzales? But I have a feeling that's not enough.You think he has actual trade value?
You're looking at Weaver and another top 5 prospect. Likely Bader, so KC can plug him into CF when he's ready.
Cain is making $11 million next year, which is cheap for the overall production you could get from him. KC won't be moving him for a trade where Adams is the centerpiece. He's not playing 1st in KC....ever. And they won't use a DH who can't hit anything from the left side if his life depended on it. He's more likely to be DFA than traded
Heck, I wouldn't consider him the centerpiece if it were just him and Weaver. Bader's too expensive...What is he? A year away as is? Idk...Maybe if it's a sign and trade.
Cubs gave up Torres (+) for 3 months of Chapman. Torres was the Cubs #1 and likely a Top 10-15 overall prospect in the league for 2017.
You'd be getting a 3-6 WAR CF. It's going to be pricey, especially when the 1 year of LoCain is only $11M. And trying to take him from your instate rival who is trying to make another push while their stars are affordable
Hey you let Zobrist go to Chicago and he was only the WS MVP. It's only fair now to help an in-state brother out.
Lol. I think in state rival might be a tad strong. Not sure there's a rivalry there. But fun they've been good for a hot minute lately.
Gimmie packages for Kiermaier, Pollock, and Blackmon. Just for curiosity sake. Again, I'm clueless on value. But after actually typing out the Birds starting pitching depth in another thread, I just can't figure out why they wouldn't try to get something out of the depth.
I don't study the redbirds minor league system so I don't know names but on 101 this morning they listed four or five young guys not on the 40 man roster who project as #2-#5 starters. Just no #1 studs other than Reyes. Surely we can acquire a Blackman or Pollock if we just pull the damn trigger. over pay once, Mo. you will be forgiven.
I wouldn't mind that given the risks associated with young pitchers plus cain fills an obvious need
Give me a few to do some research on your minors. I have a pretty decent idea, but gotta explore a bit for a wide range of possibilities...and try to not be a Cubs homer
I will start with, you do not want Blackmon. He is a product of Coors. This season was probably the first where his splits were actually not bad. His career home/road splits are disgusting though. We are talking roughly a drop in his slash line of .070/.090/.100. It's not pretty
With a QO tied to him at age 37. I mean I hope you guys replace Holliday with his twin. But that would be a terrible move for STL
Alright eagles, I'm going to go a different route on you. You guys trade for The Todd Father and Adam Eaton. Now that's going to be a little pricey, so don't freak out on what I say. Just a complete shot in the dark
Wong, Grichuk, Flaherty, Hudson, and your pick of a throw in of Adams, Gonzales or Cooney
For Fraizer, Eaton and a low level minor league guy. Fraizer is in his last Arb year and Eaton is signed for the next 5 seasons for less than $24 million
That gets you two players that fill immediate needs. You give up 2 minor league guys with upside....but not your best. Then clear yourself of 3 MLB level guys that really aren't doing much for you anyways.
Wong, Grichuk, Flaherty, Hudson, and your pick of a throw in of Adams, Gonzales or Cooney
For Fraizer, Eaton and a low level minor league guy. Fraizer is in his last Arb year and Eaton is signed for the next 5 seasons for less than $24 million
That gets you two players that fill immediate needs. You give up 2 minor league guys with upside....but not your best. Then clear yourself of 3 MLB level guys that really aren't doing much for you anyways.
I didn't realize bautista's injury problem and low average...we don't need anymore guys hitting 250 with solo homers...
You know better than that Ducky. We rented him for 6-8 weeks to insure some playoff success. The earliest point in time that the Royals might entertain offers for Cain would be next summer at the trade deadline.
I just tossed him in for a mid level guy. Pollock is obviously the gold standard. Blackmon viewed by me as more middle of the road. And then Kiermayer as a lesser get. However, a Cespedes-type bat in LF and Kiermayer in CF would be pretty ok with me! All this said, I wouldn't be shocked if Grichuk is still in CF when the Birds break for camp.
I don't think it is worth talking about because once any deal, trade or FA signing goes one penny over their metrics the deal is off.
I just can't see Pollock being moved for any reason other than someone decided to go overboard and pay for him. Him and Goldy are their team....and TLR wasted a lot of money/ prospects, so I have to assume they try to push again and be mildly competitive next year.
That's why Eaton makes a lot of sense. The White Sox are going to HORRRRIBLE until Reinsdorf dies. They are a complete wreck and embarrassment.
He's actually worse than the Tribune Company was for the Cubs. I didn't think it was possible
At least he got rid Ventura for Renteria. RR is a solid guy for a team in that situation. I enjoyed how he handled the 2014 Cubs. Joe was clearly the superior manager, but RR did everything he was paid to do. Just got caught in bad timing with Joe leaving Tampa.
IMO the manager is just the start... Reinsdorf needs to reshuffle his front office and give them the flexibility to make some moves. I also think that they would be crazy to deal either Sale or Quintana... unless the deal is with the Royals. LOL
Kenny Williams is one of the worst guys in the league in a front office role. That would help tremendously right there
I think that need to deal them both and rake in the prospects. They have accomplished nothing with Sale....so they might as well sell as high as they can on him
