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http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/poll-hillary-clinton-2016-favorability-213251
is that 45% of Americans are this stupid.
is that 45% of Americans are this stupid.
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I don't personally view him favorably, but I would agree with him more than Hellary.
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No you're part of the problem because you are not allowed to make your own decisions. Don't ever do that again!!
Wrong! Don't tell anyone, but I got a AK - 47 in my car, and a 45 in my desk drawer, and a glock under my jacket. Ain't nobody gonna get me!
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Well, if two cats are arguing about which one would make the better dog, and you have to choose one of them, doesn't really mean it's your fault when the results are not desirable.
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I see you are now admitting the main problem with gun violence comes from gangsta's and illegals. There's hope for you yet ol"boy.
Who is a better candidate? I'll vote libertarian but I don't think the GOP has anyone better.
Illegals commit crime at a lower rate than U.S. citizens. People don't come to the U.S. to shoot people. They come to work.I see you are now admitting the main problem with gun violence comes from gangsta's and illegals. There's hope for you yet ol"boy.
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When you compare illegals (not Americans), with gangsta's (Americans), one of the groups obviously commits more crime than the other.
That certainly doesn't negate my previous statement.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-mythical-connection-between-immigrants-and-crime-1436916798
There's plenty of evidence to support my assertion and no real evidence to support the opposite position. The data-driven answer on this is pretty intuitive - why would someone go through the effort of coming here to be a petty criminal? And why would an undocumented immigrant want to do something that could get them kicked out of the country that they worked so hard to get into?
Why??? Because there are no wealthy people to steal from in their own country!1
They are not "Undocumented Immigrants" they are Illegal immigrants .
You don't get out much do you
They are not "Undocumented Immigrants" they are Illegal immigrants .
You don't get out much do you
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http://www.americanthinker.com/arti...t_a_much_higher_rate_than_us_citizens_do.html
Since we both can link articles to support our positions, let's let Kathryn Steinle comment on this.......oh wait
It is obvious on its face that this statement is false. "Illegals" commit crime at a MINIMUM rate of 100% since each and every one of them is "illegal". Now, once they are here, they may live a perfectly quiet "law-abiding" life, but every one of them is committing a crime by being here.
Technically inaccurate, not all undocumented immigrants entered the country illegally, but not a relevant point. The question is, when here, are they more likely to commit a crime? The answer is no.
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The American Thinker is not a reputable source. It's a house of cranks. This is the same website that claims to have disproven global warming.
The American Thinker article has a major flaw that I see right off the bat - the comparison is a lot more relevant when you compare similarly situated people. Comparing the criminality of a group of mostly 16-40 year olds to a data set which includes 4 year olds and 90 year olds isn't terribly useful.
http://immigrationpolicy.org/special-reports/criminalization-immigration-united-states
We also have plenty of good data on the criminality of legal immigrants, and it supports the same conclusion for that group.
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Do you know how hard it is to get to the US? You have to either have the money to pay a smuggler or somehow pay for transit and a temporary visa. This plan requires resources that the average petty criminal doesn't have.
People who come to the US generally do so because they want to get a job that pays a lot more than their local employment. They use their higher wages to support their family at home or to build a new life here. It's not rocket science.
This thread is doing a very good job proving a point I've made many times before - the most commonly cited arguments for opposing immigration are all based upon fabricated or nonexistent data. Why? Because politicians need something to smokescreen the idea that immigration among non-white, non-English speaking people is destructive to the character of America (which is a major reason why immigration is opposed.)
Not shockingly, these positions are killing the R Party with Hispanics and Asians who see right through it.
Not shockingly, these positions are killing the R Party with Hispanics and Asians who see right through it.
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So the American Immigration Councils ( an organization that exist to promote immigration ) take on immigrants and crime is gospel,
My source is not reputable......got it.
Believe what you want. I stated illegal immigrants and gangsta's are a main problem with our gun violence. I will stick to that.
Who, pray tell, commits all these dastardly deeds then?
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Must not be all that hard considering there are over 11 MILLION illegals here.
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Illegal immigrants are destructive to the character of America. Republicans have the balls to state the fact, unlike Dems that just want to garnish their support with empty promises.
Black people have been big supporters of the Dems for years, how's that worked out for them?
The net rate of illegal immigration has been 0 for nearly a decade now. The vast majority of the population came in the 1990s and early 2000s. The share of undocumented immigrants who have been in the US for a long time has risen a lot (more than 60% are estimated to have been here for at least a decade)
I think that's total hokum and it's the same crap people used to say about Catholics and other "undesireable" whites, but it's not inherently right or wrong. It's an opinion. That opinion is incredibly damaging to the Rs in a national election because it sells horribly to non-whites. Look at how much better Rs did with Hispanics and Asians when GWB was selling the R party as being inclusive. If you could get the R party back to those margins with Hispanics and Asians, they would have the White House back in 2016.
As for black America, it's extremely difficult to argue that the R party would do better for them. The R party now supports the effective gutting the Voting Rights Act; how are black voters supposed to take them seriously? Not to mention the average black American supports a very expansive role for the government in social policy - a view that fits well in the D party.
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Absoutely the AIC is a front group. I recognize the bias.
But their analysis is a lot better than what is in the American Thinkers. It's much more consistent with what nonpartisan analysis shows.
It's your right to believe this as much as it is your right to believe in Santa Claus, but belief doesn't make something factually true.
To add to this, the #1 issue that is missed in the immigration debate that causes Rs to say stupid things and support generally stupid policy that wastes tens of billions on unneeded enforcement actions - America does not have a major problem with ongoing immigration; it has an unresolved issue with a pool of immigrants who came 10-25 years ago.
The R focus on building a wall is a really stupid idea from both a financial standpoint and from the standpoint that it doesn't address the real issue with immigration in the US. It makes no sense for the party of small government to advocate for this.
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So the MSM lied to me about the huge influx streaming over the border in the last couple of years ?
Calls for the national guard to do something was a figment of my imagination ?
Illegal immigration is actually declining ?
I must read a different newspaper, watch a different news channel, and listen to a different radio than you do NM.
The MSM must be lying to me.
Calls for the national guard to do something was a figment of my imagination ?
Illegal immigration is actually declining ?
I must read a different newspaper, watch a different news channel, and listen to a different radio than you do NM.
The MSM must be lying to me.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/07/24/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/
The main stream media has pointed this out on a number of occasions, but it hasn't done a very good job overall at explaining this point. The attached is a very good nonpartisan example of the data
Politicians have not helped here at all - Ds and Rs are not making this point.
It's not that no one is coming but the rate at which people come has plummeted to the point where attrition offsets it.
The main stream media has pointed this out on a number of occasions, but it hasn't done a very good job overall at explaining this point. The attached is a very good nonpartisan example of the data
Politicians have not helped here at all - Ds and Rs are not making this point.
It's not that no one is coming but the rate at which people come has plummeted to the point where attrition offsets it.
Those who came legally and have over stayed their visa ARE ILLEGALS! The 9/11 hijackers were just that kind of illegal. It doesn't matter that you were legal when you came or how you got here. When you over stay your visa you're illegal you should GO HOME!
Agree 100%. There is nothing ambiguous about our immigration laws. They have just been ignored. I'm all for rounding up all illegals, and deport them. I'm sorry if it breaks up families. If your children were born here, then they are naturalized citizens. If you must, then take them back to the illegal parents country of origin and the children will have no problem getting back in when the parents have went through the immigration process.
I have never understood what part of "illegal" is so difficult to understand.
I have never understood what part of "illegal" is so difficult to understand.
This is never going to happen. Politicians and voters who pretend otherwise are moving the debate from something that is possible into a dream world. Our politicians have done a great disservice to us by pretending otherwise.
The US does not have the ability to do this.
Also, the immigration laws have changed since our ancestors came. There is no way for most of the undocumented in the US to come here legally. Plans which expect them to go home or something like that without a pathway to coming back to the US are all destined to fail miserably.
Illegal immigration is something most people simply cannot talk about rationally. There are notable examples. For instance, the U.S. Chamber of commerce and well paying employers like Facebook, Google, and Apple. A lot of companies rely on immigration and, yes, illegal immigration. Any solution that doesn't include amnesty for those illegals that are already here is simply not a realistic solution. Business won't support it and it's not a financially viable option.
We should also focus more on how we streamline our immigration process, and that's what tech companies really care about. It's really hard for those companies to recruit on college campuses because they can't recruit high performing students that are here on green cards because they might be gone in 3 months. Same with engineering firms. It's a real shame that we allow that kind of brain drain from our country because people are scared of illegals.
Any talk of building a wall is just stupid for any number of reasons.
We should also focus more on how we streamline our immigration process, and that's what tech companies really care about. It's really hard for those companies to recruit on college campuses because they can't recruit high performing students that are here on green cards because they might be gone in 3 months. Same with engineering firms. It's a real shame that we allow that kind of brain drain from our country because people are scared of illegals.
Any talk of building a wall is just stupid for any number of reasons.
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