Webb City vs MILLIKIN
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No, and it's not a very good question. The better question could be, " would Webb be so dominant if the Joplin Tornado had not occurred"? Or would Webb win if there huge attendance area not be so vast? They do nothing special. They have athletes. What is their secret? IDK, but from where I sit in KC they've cornered the market on something.
The tornado has nothing to do with the success, they were beyond good before that even happened.
Agreed 13 State Titles. However, they've taken a great thing and moved it to a new level. Beating down a wide variety of schools.
their secret is superior dedicated coaching staff and kids that buy in from a very young age. That's the key to winning year after year. Not sure if you can get the latter without the former, but if you get both then become a Staley, kearney, fort o, maryville
a lot of the power programs get kids from outside of their boundaries Staley has benefited from day one.
a lot of the power programs get kids from outside of their boundaries Staley has benefited from day one.
Agreed. If I live in Joplin, and my son want's to be on a great team. I move to WC. End of story. Mix that with indigenous you have a dynasty. There's no argument that they have it going. But Webb, as this post indicates by it's title, has reached new levels for a school with a 4A enrollment. Must be good fortune, dedicated coaching. I say it's athletes. I once saw Webb get trounced by a Kearney team. Things work better with athlete's.
Staley's Kearney's and Fort O's of the world don't crush teams that Webb crushes. Webb reminds all of us of what ROCK once was back in the day. A national schedule of games. Not quite yet, but Webb is nearing that level.
What separates IMO Webb City from most other teams is that Webb goes into a game expecting to win and their coaching staff teaches them what they need to know and then the athleticism of the athletes take it from there. Here in Maryville I see the same thing. That is not to say they cannot lose, but there is no fear factor involved. It takes hard work from everyone involved to be successful in a program and not just on game days but throughout the year. It's not a cockiness but a belief and the knowledge that if you perform the things you know how to perform without fear of failure, then you will be more successful than not.
What percentage of Webb's Senior class will play college football? How many will play D1, D2, D3, NAII??? I would be willing to bet the majority of their football team are not college football players. That should answer your question.
Well for your wifes sake how about you dont bet, because if you do have a wife she will probly leave you.
Ill take a stab at that .
1-D1
2-D2 (maybe)
D3 / NAIA maybe the 2 D2 kids and another.
Now because they will be excited about winning a state title you may get 2 or 3 more kids going out for a football team but there's probably three college football players on that team .
1-D1
2-D2 (maybe)
D3 / NAIA maybe the 2 D2 kids and another.
Now because they will be excited about winning a state title you may get 2 or 3 more kids going out for a football team but there's probably three college football players on that team .
There is definitely 1 and I think there will be 2 D1 players if you are talking classes 10-12 and probably something like 5-8 total if you count small college football but 2-3 of those might opt to play other sports.
The idea of a high school team beating any college team is ridiculous. If you want to match up the top high school in the country against one of the worst NAIA teams then maybe it is competitive but even then odds are the team with the 21-22 year olds will beat 17-18 year olds.
Most classes at Webb have 3-4 guys play college ball. So you might have 7-8 on the field at a given time. Sometimes more sometimes less.
2011 for instance ( and i could be off by a bit) had
Roderique - Sam Houston St
Hoffman - Mo St
Johnson -Mo st
Johnson - Mo State
Slaughter- Ark
Williams - Mo West
Daniel- PSU
Speer- Psu
And im sure several more but there is no way they would beat any college football team
2011 for instance ( and i could be off by a bit) had
Roderique - Sam Houston St
Hoffman - Mo St
Johnson -Mo st
Johnson - Mo State
Slaughter- Ark
Williams - Mo West
Daniel- PSU
Speer- Psu
And im sure several more but there is no way they would beat any college football team
So my point is that you are playing against 100-110 recruited players even if they are non scholarship you are talking about 10 on a good year college players. The rests are 16 and 17 year old boys playing against 20-24 year old men. The idea that they would even play on the field with a college team is idiotic. The linemen alone would be leaps and bounds better than anything Webb could put on the field against them.
Your right, because winning football games are all about size. That would be an idiotic statement its self. I ve seen plenty of teams win games when they didnt have size, athletes or experience on their side. FYI Milliken is god awfull
I bet you take some of the top high school teams in the country, they will beat some bad NAIA teams. Some of those teams in Florida have 5-6 major D1 athletes on them. Not including small school kids. St. Thomas comes to mind. I believe they had 11+ kids sign at D1 schools.
Clearly you have a limited football background. Also, nobody said anything about size.
I wouldn't be talking football background with anyone with your arguments. What else would you be talking about when you say that linemen in college are leaps and bounds better than high school lineman? If that was the case, then a 18 year old man wouldn't be able to go in to a college and start over 20-24 year old MEN. Clearly you are John Madden compared to all.
There is not one chance Webb City could play college football team that is absolutely Idiotic and shows lack of football knowledge! Not trying to offend anybody but that is absolutely stupid I hear people in this area say they would like to see Webb City play Missouri Southern it's absolutely laughable they would get injured on every play and it would be a complete blowout! I don't even know if they would even enter the red zone maybe not even crossed midfield the entire game! The Cardinals have a great high school football program. Let's leave it at that and not get stupid!
Ability Level......Webb has only had a short list of players in their history that have 1st year true freshmen starting offensive linemen at the colleges they attended.
Come on people don't y'all know Webb City's Poo doesn't stink and Cardinal Stadium is the house the Football God's Built! Plus there ain't a team in the country that can beat Webb! It's doesn't matter if its a High School, NAIA, D3, D2 or D1... They can't be beat.
I am glad You were so obvious with your sarcasm. Some could mistake that.
Chuck clearly you have not been keeping up with Moso eagle. He is one of your very own. He showed up after I made what he felt was a bad comment about Webb City and showed his true colors quickly acting like a Joplin fan but he is a Webb City guy zero doubt in my mind. Chuck you got to be Quick pay attention!
Me on the other hand true blue Joplin fan been loyal since the time I got here.
Me on the other hand true blue Joplin fan been loyal since the time I got here.
I am a Joplin Fan but I'm also a Fan of all the area teams.
I heard JRod was putting all our gear up for sale on Craiglist and folding the tents
Yikes! And I thought Ampipe fans took their football too seriously at time. Those folks in Webb City take things to a whole new level!
I hear people ask this topic all the time and everyone has their own opinion. I think it's a unique combination of things but not any one factor that makes or breaks it. I also think the reasons WC became good in the first place are not exactly the same reasons they are good now. In no particular order:
1. Coaching and leadership. A factor but they have survived 2 coaching changes and only become stronger.
2. Youth leagues. I think this is a factor but not THE factor as some people believe.
3. Blue collar town work ethic. Media loves this storyline but I think it's silly to suggest kids from WC work harder just because the neighborhood around the school looks like inner city Detroit. Besides, a lot of these kids in the district are now coming from new middle/upper middle class subdivisions that are hardly blue collar.
4. Confidence. I think this is the secret weapon. WC players never have to take the field with the monkey of doubt on their back. Carthage and others visibly struggle with confidence every time they take the field against WC. Believing they can beat anyone if they just do what they know how to do is immeasurable in making plays and winning games.
5. High Participation. The program draws an unusual number of participants for a C4 sized school. It gives them a depth advantage. The only school around here with similar participation is Joplin which has more than 1,000 additional students. Compared to other class 4 schools, many of which are considerably smaller in enrollment, they might have 3x the number of athletes to choose from.
6. Size/Class - They are one of the largest schools in their division. I don't think this is a huge factor, but I do think it helps when combined with some of the other factors come playoff time. They play like a solid C5 team but get C4 opponents in the post season.
7. Location. WC is located in a metro area of about 150,000 people that are close enough to easily hop boundaries (legally or illegally). Many of my WC friends scoff at this as a factor. But I think families that will move for sports often bring kids who will win at sports, especially when surrounded with others who are like minded. Joplin is probably the biggest loser in this game, but I know it's affected Carthage, CJ, and some others as well.
8. Football culture. It's like something from a movie. It helps perpetuate the excitement of the program for younger kids to eventually keep participation levels high and from an early age.
None of these on their own are they "why". It's all of them together. And many of these things are an effect of winning, not a cause. However - they do help perpetuate the system and even fortify it, making it increasingly more difficult for others to crack.
1. Coaching and leadership. A factor but they have survived 2 coaching changes and only become stronger.
2. Youth leagues. I think this is a factor but not THE factor as some people believe.
3. Blue collar town work ethic. Media loves this storyline but I think it's silly to suggest kids from WC work harder just because the neighborhood around the school looks like inner city Detroit. Besides, a lot of these kids in the district are now coming from new middle/upper middle class subdivisions that are hardly blue collar.
4. Confidence. I think this is the secret weapon. WC players never have to take the field with the monkey of doubt on their back. Carthage and others visibly struggle with confidence every time they take the field against WC. Believing they can beat anyone if they just do what they know how to do is immeasurable in making plays and winning games.
5. High Participation. The program draws an unusual number of participants for a C4 sized school. It gives them a depth advantage. The only school around here with similar participation is Joplin which has more than 1,000 additional students. Compared to other class 4 schools, many of which are considerably smaller in enrollment, they might have 3x the number of athletes to choose from.
6. Size/Class - They are one of the largest schools in their division. I don't think this is a huge factor, but I do think it helps when combined with some of the other factors come playoff time. They play like a solid C5 team but get C4 opponents in the post season.
7. Location. WC is located in a metro area of about 150,000 people that are close enough to easily hop boundaries (legally or illegally). Many of my WC friends scoff at this as a factor. But I think families that will move for sports often bring kids who will win at sports, especially when surrounded with others who are like minded. Joplin is probably the biggest loser in this game, but I know it's affected Carthage, CJ, and some others as well.
8. Football culture. It's like something from a movie. It helps perpetuate the excitement of the program for younger kids to eventually keep participation levels high and from an early age.
None of these on their own are they "why". It's all of them together. And many of these things are an effect of winning, not a cause. However - they do help perpetuate the system and even fortify it, making it increasingly more difficult for others to crack.
I think high school kids are high school kids no matter where you go. The larger the school, the more likely you are to have a few that are better athletes. The real difference in football programs is what's between the ears of the players. I know at Webb, the kids absolutely expect to win every time they step on the field. This attitude is the development from all the things that have already been mentioned.
