Webb at Cape Central

[hsmaniac]

Here's the link to Cape Central's win last night from the SE Missourian. Their Coach said they can stop and score on Webb. This should be fun. Remember, they are 9-4.

http://www.semissourian.com/story/2250377.html

 

[csnANDy]

I'm looking forward to this one. Southeast Missouri has a very knowledgeable bunch of football people that are pretty active on the semoball message boards. Of course, they seem to go more for basketball, but I like to follow their football discussions. We've played them twice and they obviously learned a lot from the first meeting, and this will be the first game at their place. I think it will be fun.

 

[W Card]

I'm not sure what you expect the other coach to say? If you think there is a problem, the article contains the following:

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Just saying I have no problem with it. He didn't say he would crush WC or even predict a win. If I were Webb's opposing coach, after teaching the x's and o', my next job would be to try to get my kids to believe, no matter how tall the order may be.

 

[wcrb15]

I'm not sure what you expect the other coach to say? If you think there is a problem, the article contains the following:

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Just saying I have no problem with it. He didn't say he would crush WC or even predict a win. If I were Webb's opposing coach, after teaching the x's and o', my next job would be to try to get my kids to believe, no matter how tall the order may be.

And that is the key. How many of Webb's opponents come into the game already defeated because they don't believe they'll win? Cape's coaching staff is obviously doing something right out there as they've been in the semis or better 3 years in a row. I think this will be a great game. Can't wait until Saturday.

 

[WEBBCITYDAD]

Sure wish I could make the Saturday trip. I'll just catch them in St. Louie

 

[anon_utvqikut1knht]

And that is the key. How many of Webb's opponents come into the game already defeated because they don't believe they'll win? Cape's coaching staff is obviously doing something right out there as they've been in the semis or better 3 years in a row. I think this will be a great game. Can't wait until Saturday.

Unless they are borrowing players from SEMO State U this won't be anywhere near close. That being said Cape Central continues to prove to be a C4 beacon in that part of the state.

 

[Cards1968]

Sure wish I could make the Saturday trip. I'll just catch them in St. Louie

Crack chicken alert!

 

[WEBBCITYDAD]

Out of retirement.

 

[Nwalls]

this will be a running clock in the 3rd qtr. Cape is a solid class 4 team
but Webb is a awesome 6A type team...Class 4 football is just not
able to match up to this type of program

 

[Taco Tico]

what was the Carl Junction score? Just sayin'

 

[anon_utvqikut1knht]

this will be a running clock in the 3rd qtr. Cape is a solid class 4 team
but Webb is a awesome 6A type team...Class 4 football is just not
able to match up to this type of program

Not meaning they will win but guarantee Kearney doesn't feel that way.

 

[illegal participation]

Little Big Horn

 

[O line wins games]

Webb pounded an average Class 6 team, but they aren't an awesome class 6 team.. Although I do think they are good enough to be a class 6 semi finalist an the least, they don't play Rockhurst's schedule undefeated.. They are just a really good class 6 team, with 2 losses.... So you know, class 4 state champ with Kearney being a 2 TD game

 

[webbpaspilot]

what was the Carl Junction score? Just sayin'

It was their Super Bowl, just like Carthage in 2007 it was the highest mountain. The next week they fell flat to Ozark when they should have won it all. Problem was they were still high from beating Webb for the first time in some 23 years and didn't prepare for Ozark. CJ would have suffered the same demise.
Its clear Webb took CJ for granted, didn't think they needed to prepare, CJ did. They put 8 or 9 in the box on a cold rainy night, and stuffed the run. Webbies learned a lessen, next week WP watched the film and tried the same approach. Well you know the rest.
Just sayin

 

[hsmaniac]

The point of him saying they can stop Webb City was a bad choice of words. Webb is already motivated these last 2 games, no need to give them further motivation is all.

 

[hsmaniac]

It was their Super Bowl, just like Carthage in 2007 it was the highest mountain. The next week they fell flat to Ozark when they should have won it all. Problem was they were still high from beating Webb for the first time in some 23 years and didn't prepare for Ozark. CJ would have suffered the same demise.
Its clear Webb took CJ for granted, didn't think they needed to prepare, CJ did. They put 8 or 9 in the box on a cold rainy night, and stuffed the run. Webbies learned a lessen, next week WP watched the film and tried the same approach. Well you know the rest.
Just sayin

I'm not sure Webb took them for granted, they shot themselves in the foot way to many times. If I remember correctly, Webb out-gained CJ by some 300 yards. I agree it was CJ's highest point so of course they will come out and play hard, it's a rivalry game too, have to take that into consideration but if you look at the numbers, Webb dominated. Cape hasn't played anyone the type of CJ, WP or Hville.

 

[Taco Tico]

It was their Super Bowl, just like Carthage in 2007 it was the highest mountain. The next week they fell flat to Ozark when they should have won it all. Problem was they were still high from beating Webb for the first time in some 23 years and didn't prepare for Ozark. CJ would have suffered the same demise.
Its clear Webb took CJ for granted, didn't think they needed to prepare, CJ did. They put 8 or 9 in the box on a cold rainy night, and stuffed the run. Webbies learned a lessen, next week WP watched the film and tried the same approach. Well you know the rest.
Just sayin

Let me get this right, JROD took a team of CJ's caliber for granted and thought they didn't need to prepare? I don't think you meant to say that, did you?

 

[WCCardinal99]

Let me get this right, JROD took a team of CJ's caliber for granted and thought they didn't need to prepare? I don't think you meant to say that, did you?

I think what he was saying is that the boys took CJ for granted, I don't think anyone believes John underestimated them. However, John did say it was one of the worst coached games he has ever coached. The conditions were horrid, for both teams. But I think that our boys came in thinking it was going to be a walk in the park, and cj was just gonna roll over and lay down. That didn't happen and the rest is now history.

 

[webbpaspilot]

Let me get this right, JROD took a team of CJ's caliber for granted and thought they didn't need to prepare? I don't think you meant to say that, did you?

Listen Del Taco! Did I say JROD? That's the last person I would blame. I'm saying the players may have been a bit over confidant, as a couching staff there is a limit to your ability to hold a teams ego in check.

 

[Taco Tico]

Settle down there fly-boy, didn't mean to strike a nerve with you. I just assumed you would include the coaching staff when you said webb "didn't prepare." You know what they say when you assume! I responded to the post that stated no class 4 team could compete with webb, CJ proved that wrong, don't care about whatever excuse you use. CJ had that game won if the RB goes down after the first down, there's their excuse! Either way it was a very competitive class 4 game

 

[Bleeding Red and Black]

I can understand why Webb would think that about CJ' s "caliber of team" Didn't Lamar slaughter CJ? What was that score again?? It just goes to show these boys are human and anything can happen on any given game day!

 

[Webbzone]

Not meaning they will win but guarantee Kearney doesn't feel that way.

I think the lines between classes have been pretty much erased over the last few years., yes there have been teams of the past that could certainly play up but dont remember so many as today. Possibly due to more play outside of classes?
I dont know but Webb certainly is not alone.

 

[Webbzone]

I can understand why Webb would think that about CJ' s "caliber of team" Didn't Lamar slaughter CJ? What was that score again?? It just goes to show these boys are human and anything can happen on any given game day!

I think it boils down to coaches and play calling. There are some very strong traditions out there and great coaching is behind them. Agree the players have bad nights and make mistakes, but what would happen if Lamar played Webb would boil down to coach Smiths plan and constant moving of players to stop an offense that appears unstoppable. I dont think CJ's sideline team compares. But as to athletes....a very high caliber team. Thats my view. Put Webbs coaching staff on the sideline with CJ vs Lamar and I think you have another outcome. Not trying to take anything away from the Webb players, they have to perform. i just think the magic formula will become more obvious when Webbs sideline moves on. Webb will always be a good football town, but....

 

[Kenny56]

There is some good Cajun food downtown. Can't think of the name of the place for my life. It's right up the street from "The Bar", seen in the movie "Gone Girl".

 

[mike37]

Broussards. Its down along the River.

 

[Kenny56]

That's ii, thanks Mike!

Broussards. Its down along the River.

 

[LHSTiger81]

It just goes to show that you can't judge a team based on previous games of common opponents. It is still high school kids playing the game and stuff happens. That Liberty team that we just played was not the same caliber of a team as CJ. They were a very talented bunch and were well coached, don't get me wrong. The X factor is almost un-measurable when it comes to high school football and I'm learning more and more that the old saying "That's why they actually play the game." holds true time and time, again.

 

[Rock Hard Corn Frog]

Webb pounded an average Class 6 team, but they aren't an awesome class 6 team.. Although I do think they are good enough to be a class 6 semi finalist an the least, they don't play Rockhurst's schedule undefeated.. They are just a really good class 6 team, with 2 losses.... So you know, class 4 state champ with Kearney being a 2 TD game

I don't necessarily disagree with the point you are trying to make but what 2 teams on Rockhurst's schedule (besides WC playing itself) would WC have lost? They beat the best team Rock played this year (Har-Ber) on the road and won. You can make a case that Blue Springs South would be favored and Bentonville is a real tough game but Har-Ber beat Bentonville. WC this year would be solid favorites against the rest of those teams. So I don't know that it is a given that WC loses 2 games.

I do concede that after playing Rock and Har-Ber that WC was a pretty banged up team so there are issues with depth that come into play playing up week after week and apart from a handful of seasons I don't think WC would hold up against a tough C6 schedule the whole season.

Having said all that I don't think there is much difference between teams like Blue Springs South, Fort Osage, Park Hill, Staley,Liberty North and Kearney and they are classes 6-4. I think last year for example Kearney probably had the best defense Webb City faced all year including Rockhurst and Har-Ber.

One of the reasons I laugh when people say WC should try to move up to Class 5. Like beating Kearney or a couple of the recent Helias teams is a piece of cake.

 

[Eagles_Ball]

There is some good Cajun food downtown. Can't think of the name of the place for my life. It's right up the street from "The Bar", seen in the movie "Gone Girl".

Broussards is good, no doubt. But if the Webb City folks are looking for grub, frostys, and a WC fan club headquarters...you gotta go to Pilot House. Just trust me on this. There are very few things in this world I know. Brew, bar food, and wings happen to be atop that list. No glitz, no glamour, just bare bones and darned good. They're sorta the split-back veer of restaurants. It's been 10 years since I've been there, but I can't imagine much has changed. Stag on tap. A mustardy buffalo wing, and the tank sandwich. Amazing. I'd seriously meet a Webbie in Lebanon on your way home to pickup a takeout order of those wings. Man, I miss that place.

 

[wc3peat]

Settle down there fly-boy, didn't mean to strike a nerve with you. I just assumed you would include the coaching staff when you said webb "didn't prepare." You know what they say when you assume! I responded to the post that stated no class 4 team could compete with webb, CJ proved that wrong, don't care about whatever excuse you use. CJ had that game won if the RB goes down after the first down, there's their excuse! Either way it was a very competitive class 4 game

Hey hot sauce before you mouth even online atleast have your facts straight. "If the running back just goes down", uhm the QB Devore fumbled. Yes CJ shoulda but didnt even with mother nature on its side. Only thing proven that night was the CARDS could play the worst game imaginable and still find a way to win.

 

[anon_utvqikut1knht]

I don't necessarily disagree with the point you are trying to make but what 2 teams on Rockhurst's schedule (besides WC playing itself) would WC have lost? They beat the best team Rock played this year (Har-Ber) on the road and won. You can make a case that Blue Springs South would be favored and Bentonville is a real tough game but Har-Ber beat Bentonville. WC this year would be solid favorites against the rest of those teams. So I don't know that it is a given that WC loses 2 games.

I do concede that after playing Rock and Har-Ber that WC was a pretty banged up team so there are issues with depth that come into play playing up week after week and apart from a handful of seasons I don't think WC would hold up against a tough C6 schedule the whole season.

Having said all that I don't think there is much difference between teams like Blue Springs South, Fort Osage, Park Hill, Staley,Liberty North and Kearney and they are classes 6-4. I think last year for example Kearney probably had the best defense Webb City faced all year including Rockhurst and Har-Ber.

One of the reasons I laugh when people say WC should try to move up to Class 5. Like beating Kearney or a couple of the recent Helias teams is a piece of cake.

In just the last two seasons look what Kearney and Helias Catholic did: K was in its second year in C5 and made the semis by upsetting what was widely regarded as the best Fort O team to date in the quarters. Helias has done even better: their 2013 squad was beyond loaded and beat CBC among others (their schedule is never a cakewalk) and in 2014 they easily beat both C5 Dome entrants Battle and Nixa.

 

[O line wins games]

I don't necessarily disagree with the point you are trying to make but what 2 teams on Rockhurst's schedule (besides WC playing itself) would WC have lost? They beat the best team Rock played this year (Har-Ber) on the road and won. You can make a case that Blue Springs South would be favored and Bentonville is a real tough game but Har-Ber beat Bentonville. WC this year would be solid favorites against the rest of those teams. So I don't know that it is a given that WC loses 2 games.

I do concede that after playing Rock and Har-Ber that WC was a pretty banged up team so there are issues with depth that come into play playing up week after week and apart from a handful of seasons I don't think WC would hold up against a tough C6 schedule the whole season.

Having said all that I don't think there is much difference between teams like Blue Springs South, Fort Osage, Park Hill, Staley,Liberty North and Kearney and they are classes 6-4. I think last year for example Kearney probably had the best defense Webb City faced all year including Rockhurst and Har-Ber.

One of the reasons I laugh when people say WC should try to move up to Class 5. Like beating Kearney or a couple of the recent Helias teams is a piece of cake.

I don't think its a given that they would lose two every year, and it's hard to tell which years are better since Webb results rarely vary, but I do think that there is a definite difference from Kearney/Fort O/Webb and a Blue Springs South/Blue Springs next year.. I do think Webb makes deep class 6 playoff runs and probably a couple state champs, but I don't think they would be on any different level than the other perennial good class 6 teams of they had to play a class 6 schedule.

And Hopefully your, no one is taking this as its from a Webb Hater, because although I would love too, I can't hate them. I like the option too much lol

 

[vbsideout]

Unless they are borrowing players from SEMO State U this won't be anywhere near close. That being said Cape Central continues to prove to be a C4 beacon in that part of the state.

Not sure SEMO could beat Webb!

 

[sbdude]

Hey hot sauce before you mouth even online atleast have your facts straight. "If the running back just goes down", uhm the QB Devore fumbled. Yes CJ shoulda but didnt even with mother nature on its side. Only thing proven that night was the CARDS could play the worst game imaginable and still find a way to win.

Mother Nature was on CJ's side??? So CJ didn't play in the same conditions as Webb? Weather like that affects which more; a passing team or a running team? CJ threw the ball 9 times that game and averaged 24 passes per game in all their other games. Who had to adjust more to the weather.

From the stats I saw, WC outgained CJ by about 190 yards in total offense, not 300+ like someone else above stated.

 

[wcfanfourever]

CJ checked their gear in on Monday while Webb was practicing. That's about the only statistic that makes any difference

 

[JoeyNorthlandoKCMO]

I don't necessarily disagree with the point you are trying to make but what 2 teams on Rockhurst's schedule (besides WC playing itself) would WC have lost? They beat the best team Rock played this year (Har-Ber) on the road and won. You can make a case that Blue Springs South would be favored and Bentonville is a real tough game but Har-Ber beat Bentonville. WC this year would be solid favorites against the rest of those teams. So I don't know that it is a given that WC loses 2 games.

I do concede that after playing Rock and Har-Ber that WC was a pretty banged up team so there are issues with depth that come into play playing up week after week and apart from a handful of seasons I don't think WC would hold up against a tough C6 schedule the whole season.

Having said all that I don't think there is much difference between teams like Blue Springs South, Fort Osage, Park Hill, Staley,Liberty North and Kearney and they are classes 6-4. I think last year for example Kearney probably had the best defense Webb City faced all year including Rockhurst and Har-Ber.

One of the reasons I laugh when people say WC should try to move up to Class 5. Like beating Kearney or a couple of the recent Helias teams is a piece of cake.

Kearney and Webb are better than anyone in Class 5 this year. I know I'm a Fort hater...but they are 1-2 against Kearney--and I see no reason why they would be able to beat Kearney or Webb...and yes, Calpreps backs me up on that.

 

[shoot90draw]

In just the last two seasons look what Kearney and Helias Catholic did: K was in its second year in C5 and made the semis by upsetting what was widely regarded as the best Fort O team to date in the quarters. Helias has done even better: their 2013 squad was beyond loaded and beat CBC among others (their schedule is never a cakewalk) and in 2014 they easily beat both C5 Dome entrants Battle and Nixa.

While Helias has been solid team and has great tradition, I don't see how their 2013 squad was "beyond loaded." They lost to a 3-6 Columbia-Hickman and an average (6-4) Harrisonville....

 

[webbpaspilot]

Mother Nature was on CJ's side??? So CJ didn't play in the same conditions as Webb? Weather like that affects which more; a passing team or a running team? CJ threw the ball 9 times that game and averaged 24 passes per game in all their other games. Who had to adjust more to the weather.

From the stats I saw, WC outgained CJ by about 190 yards in total offense, not 300+ like someone else above stated.

No one said it was a difference of 300 yards, the poster said Webb had 300 plus yards

 

[Rock Hard Corn Frog]

While Helias has been solid team and has great tradition, I don't see how their 2013 squad was "beyond loaded." They lost to a 3-6 Columbia-Hickman and an average (6-4) Harrisonville....

Besides beating Class 6 semifinalist CBC Helias also beat Class 6 runner up Rock Bridge by 38 points. Class 6 champ Blue Springs won 35-14 vs Rock Bridge.

The 2013 Helias team was as good as if not the best team WC has played in the Dome and it took a great performance to beat them.

I don't know if they were "beyond loaded" but they would have had a very good shot at winning Class 6 in 2013 they way they were playing 2nd half of the year so I think that is pretty good for a Class 4 runner up.

 

[shoot90draw]

Besides beating Class 6 semifinalist CBC Helias also beat Class 6 runner up Rock Bridge by 38 points. Class 6 champ Blue Springs won 35-14 vs Rock Bridge.

The 2013 Helias team was as good as if not the best team WC has played in the Dome and it took a great performance to beat them.

I don't know if they were "beyond loaded" but they would have had a very good shot at winning Class 6 in 2013 they way they were playing 2nd half of the year so I think that is pretty good for a Class 4 runner up.

So how do you explain losing to 3-6 Columbia-Hickman?