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MSHSAA for there terrible monetization practices... the streams this season were unacceptable and I encourage you to contact them through any of these avenues to let them know

email@mshsaa.org

Send mail to us at:
MSHSAA
PO BOX 1328
Columbia, MO 65205-1328
Street Address:
Missouri State High School Activities Association
1 North Keene St.
Columbia, MO 65201-6645

Call or Fax us at:
(573) 875-4880 Office(573) 875-1450 Fax(573) 875-2379 Fax For Transfer Forms
 
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Felt like I couldn't even get half of the streams to load and would miss most games. Absolute bogus. MSHSAA does not care about anything but making a profit
 
Mshsaa always takes the easiest route. I wonder at what point schools don’t get together and take a stand. Don’t get me wrong not all they do is bad but everyone knows there is so much more they can do to promote their members and athletes
 
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USArmyMike said:
Mshsaa always takes the easiest route. I wonder at what point schools don’t get together and take a stand. Don’t get me wrong not all they do is bad but everyone knows there is so much more they can do to promote their members and athletes
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I was talking about this with someone the other day. Could schools not be mshsaa affiliated and still play sports? Would it have to be on a national level or could they play in state?? Or could some other group become the governing body of sports and schools join them??
 
65TPT said:
I was talking about this with someone the other day. Could schools not be mshsaa affiliated and still play sports? Would it have to be on a national level or could they play in state?? Or could some other group become the governing body of sports and schools join them??
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I see no reason if schools really wanted to they could create there own organization. Problem always is with any union, organization or association is once lawyers get involved everything seems be about money
 
65TPT said:
I was talking about this with someone the other day. Could schools not be mshsaa affiliated and still play sports? Would it have to be on a national level or could they play in state?? Or could some other group become the governing body of sports and schools join them??
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Who runs the streaming at each site? Meaning who sets it up, films the game, etc? Assume someone from the host school? Do they get paid then?
 
Pancho and Lefty said:
Who runs the streaming at each site? Meaning who sets it up, films the game, etc? Assume someone from the host school? Do they get paid then?
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The issue is the third party platform MSHSAA hosts the streams through the streams themselves are usually fine when the schools do them by their self. MSHSAA's "partner service" is the problem. I believe the school actually has to pay to stream it.
 
Mofan79 said:
The issue is the third party platform MSHSAA hosts the streams through the streams themselves are usually fine when the schools do them by their self. MSHSAA's "partner service" is the problem. I believe the school actually has to pay to stream it.
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I have seen several schools that have done a pretty nice job who run theirs through youtube.
 
USArmyMike said:
I see no reason if schools really wanted to they could create there own organization. Problem always is with any union, organization or association is once lawyers get involved everything seems be about money
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Coach DeeWan likes the way you think, "Let's just make H.S. football all-star teams."

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MSHSAA I think for the most part does a decent job when it comes to handling the back office rules and regs of sports and activities and basic consistent infrastructure these things operate within.

Where they've gotten off the rails is this expanded control early into post season. I don't know if it's an attempt to grow or just sustain revenue amid a variety of "threats" like streaming, covid, and general declining attendance, but it's obviously a matter of significant importance to them because they continue to push it in spite of being wildly unpopular with pretty much everyone I've spoken with.

I don't care as much about their state championship game stream. It's not the best quality but they at least provide the venue and the stream so I have no problem paying for that and restricting other video feeds. What I can't stand is the new standard that starts round 1 of districts where they provide nothing but try to make money off what others are willing to do for free and in some cases even in years past paid a fee to provide it for free. It is good for NO ONE except MSHSAA directors that need to bring in a boatload of revenue to cover payroll.

The new digital ticket thing isn't as offensive to me just pointless. I didn't purchase any tickets through it so I assume there is no added cost (?), it's just a way for MSHSAA to take control away from schools and say they don't trust them. Maybe schools like it just validating tickets and not having to worry about collecting money?

I have complained to MSHSAA and I believe it's useless. In my opinion the complaints should go through your school district. Complain to them and try to get them to complain to MSHSAA in tandem with other school districts.
 
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Guess I could look for the information myself, but is MSHSAA a qualified 501(c)3? In other words, a "not for profit" organization? I've never read an obit where the family of a rabid sports fan suggested donations to MSHSAA. If they are a school supported organization, who are they ultimately accountable to? How much staffing is in the Columbia office? I have nothing to base this on but speculation, but I'm guessing they are top heavy in personnel. If they are not-for-profit, there are organizations that rate the efficiency of a business and how well they use donated dollars. Be interesting to know.
As far as the digital ticketing goes, last year for the ladies basketball final four, there was a 15% service fee for tickets. (Bet Ticketmaster was thinking, "Atta boy, Jason West, welcome to the Dark Side) And the gym was cleared between games, so it's not like a ticket holder could've watched both games on the same ticket. Now part of that was Covid and we were lucky to have a crowd in attendance, at all, but you know MSHSAA perked up when they realized they could double up on ticket sales.
MSHSAA and the NCAA are cut from the same cloth: Their oversight is far too reaching but until there is something better or until the schools stage an uprising, it's all we have. Out.
 
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sw5890 said:
MSHSAA I think for the most part does a decent job when it comes to handling the back office rules and regs of sports and activities and basic consistent infrastructure these things operate within.

Where they've gotten off the rails is this expanded control early into post season. I don't know if it's an attempt to grow or just sustain revenue amid a variety of "threats" like streaming, covid, and general declining attendance, but it's obviously a matter of significant importance to them because they continue to push it in spite of being wildly unpopular with pretty much everyone I've spoken with.

I don't care as much about their state championship game stream. It's not the best quality but they at least provide the venue and the stream so I have no problem paying for that and restricting other video feeds. What I can't stand is the new standard that starts round 1 of districts where they provide nothing but try to make money off what others are willing to do for free and in some cases even in years past paid a fee to provide it for free. It is good for NO ONE except MSHSAA directors that need to bring in a boatload of revenue to cover payroll.

The new digital ticket thing isn't as offensive to me just pointless. I didn't purchase any tickets through it so I assume there is no added cost (?), it's just a way for MSHSAA to take control away from schools and say they don't trust them. Maybe schools like it just validating tickets and not having to worry about collecting money?

I have complained to MSHSAA and I believe it's useless. In my opinion the complaints should go through your school district. Complain to them and try to get them to complain to MSHSAA in tandem with other school districts.
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I believe they charge a 15% processing fee. At least that's what the processing fee on my tickets roughly came out to.
 
86THS said:
Guess I could look for the information myself, but is MSHSAA a qualified 501(c)3? In other words, a "not for profit" organization? I've never read an obit where the family of a rabid sports fan suggested donations to MSHSAA. If they are a school supported organization, who are they ultimately accountable to? How much staffing is in the Columbia office? I have nothing to base this on but speculation, but I'm guessing they are top heavy in personnel. If they are not-for-profit, there are organizations that rate the efficiency of a business and how well they use donated dollars. Be interesting to know.
As far as the digital ticketing goes, last year for the ladies basketball final four, there was a 15% service fee for tickets. (Bet Ticketmaster was thinking, "Atta boy, Jason West, welcome to the Dark Side) And the gym was cleared between games, so it's not like a ticket holder could've watched both games on the same ticket. Now part of that was Covid and we were lucky to have a crowd in attendance, at all, but you know MSHSAA perked up when they realized they could double up on ticket sales.
MSHSAA and the NCAA are cut from the same cloth: There oversight is far too reaching but until there is something better or until the schools stage an uprising, it's all we have. Out.
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So do I have to buy digital tickets for the Lamar game and the Webb City game ???
 
65TPT said:
I believe they charge a 15% processing fee. At least that's what the processing fee on my tickets roughly came out to.
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So here's the angle on this. I'd guess a third party vendor approached (or was solicited by) MSHSAA and said we will implement this at NO CHARGE to you. We'll pay ourselves via a 15% commission "processing fee" charged directly to attendees. In exchange MSHSAA takes control of ticket sales instead of relying on schools to collect and send money to MSHSAA. So they reverse the roles here presumably they believe there is something to be gained financially for them.

Simultaneously they have "cracked down" on pesky streaming to force anyone to wants to see the game to either pay mshsaa for the stream (even streams they aren't producing - they don't even have the means to produce them for all districts and playoffs) OR buy the digital ticket. I suspect the monetary implications of this for MSHSAA are huge, so those directors are probably patting each other on the back pretty good over these changes.

I 100% agree with the comment that NCAA and MSHSAA are cut from the same cloth. Initially created to organize and standardize sports and activities but over time becomes a money engine for a select group of people. A much smaller and significantly less lucrative stage, but essentially the same concept.
 
86THS said:
Guess I could look for the information myself, but is MSHSAA a qualified 501(c)3? In other words, a "not for profit" organization? I've never read an obit where the family of a rabid sports fan suggested donations to MSHSAA. If they are a school supported organization, who are they ultimately accountable to? How much staffing is in the Columbia office? I have nothing to base this on but speculation, but I'm guessing they are top heavy in personnel. If they are not-for-profit, there are organizations that rate the efficiency of a business and how well they use donated dollars. Be interesting to know.
As far as the digital ticketing goes, last year for the ladies basketball final four, there was a 15% service fee for tickets. (Bet Ticketmaster was thinking, "Atta boy, Jason West, welcome to the Dark Side) And the gym was cleared between games, so it's not like a ticket holder could've watched both games on the same ticket. Now part of that was Covid and we were lucky to have a crowd in attendance, at all, but you know MSHSAA perked up when they realized they could double up on ticket sales.
MSHSAA and the NCAA are cut from the same cloth: Their oversight is far too reaching but until there is something better or until the schools stage an uprising, it's all we have. Out.
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MSHSAA is a private organization. The Board of Directors is made of administrators of member schools elected to a 4-year term. They are accountable to their member schools. If schools wanted to stage an uprising, they'd be rising up against themselves.

 
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So here's the angle on this. I'd guess a third party vendor approached (or was solicited by) MSHSAA and said we will implement this at NO CHARGE to you. We'll pay ourselves via a 15% commission "processing fee" charged directly to attendees. In exchange MSHSAA takes control of ticket sales instead of relying on schools to collect and send money to MSHSAA. So they reverse the roles here presumably they believe there is something to be gained financially for them.

Simultaneously they have "cracked down" on pesky streaming to force anyone to wants to see the game to either pay mshsaa for the stream (even streams they aren't producing - they don't even have the means to produce them for all districts and playoffs) OR buy the digital ticket. I suspect the monetary implications of this for MSHSAA are huge, so those directors are probably patting each other on the back pretty good over these changes.

I 100% agree with the comment that NCAA and MSHSAA are cut from the same cloth. Initially created to organize and standardize sports and activities but over time becomes a money engine for a select group of people. A much smaller and significantly less lucrative stage, but essentially the same concept.
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If thy coaching position hath become too burdensome or insufficiently lucrative, thou shall seek a position as director of athletics. If thy position as director of athletics hath become too burdensome or insufficiently lucrative, thou shall seek a position on the MSHSAA executive board. Thou physical education degree shall payeth off to those who perservere.
 
Rufus R. Jones said:
If thy coaching position hath become too burdensome or insufficiently lucrative, thou shall seek a position as director of athletics. If thy position as director of athletics hath become too burdensome or insufficiently lucrative, thou shall seek a position on the MSHSAA executive board. Thou physical education degree shall payeth off to those who perservere.
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You forgot district level administration before MSHSAA executive board. The Peter Principle in action.
 
sw5890 said:
So here's the angle on this. I'd guess a third party vendor approached (or was solicited by) MSHSAA and said we will implement this at NO CHARGE to you. We'll pay ourselves via a 15% commission "processing fee" charged directly to attendees. In exchange MSHSAA takes control of ticket sales instead of relying on schools to collect and send money to MSHSAA. So they reverse the roles here presumably they believe there is something to be gained financially for them.

Simultaneously they have "cracked down" on pesky streaming to force anyone to wants to see the game to either pay mshsaa for the stream (even streams they aren't producing - they don't even have the means to produce them for all districts and playoffs) OR buy the digital ticket. I suspect the monetary implications of this for MSHSAA are huge, so those directors are probably patting each other on the back pretty good over these changes.

I 100% agree with the comment that NCAA and MSHSAA are cut from the same cloth. Initially created to organize and standardize sports and activities but over time becomes a money engine for a select group of people. A much smaller and significantly less lucrative stage, but essentially the same concept.
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65TPT said:
I was talking about this with someone the other day. Could schools not be mshsaa affiliated and still play sports? Would it have to be on a national level or could they play in state?? Or could some other group become the governing body of sports and schools join them??
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nothing at all makes schools be a part of MSHSAA. If a group of schools want to start their own organization and hold their own state championship tournament they can go for it.

Might be a good thing
 
cardsrock15 said:
nothing at all makes schools be a part of MSHSAA. If a group of schools want to start their own organization and hold their own state championship tournament they can go for it.

Might be a good thing
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The issue is going to be the things mshsaa does that no one thinks about. Like officiating. Rule consistency, eligibility, all those things. I suspect that if a school dropped, they would have to come up with their own officials. And their own rules for the officials to enforce. They would not be allowed to participate in any post season activities or anything really that is put on by MSHSAA.

No one has time or interest in remaking MSHSAA because it is a necessary organization. It's too easy to just stay the course and not have to deal with remaking something that is only partially broke.

Side question for anyone that knows... how are officials coordinated? Does MSHSAA hire, train, provide them? How much of a role does each school play in getting those crews at the games?
 
sw5890 said:
The issue is going to be the things mshsaa does that no one thinks about. Like officiating. Rule consistency, eligibility, all those things. I suspect that if a school dropped, they would have to come up with their own officials. And their own rules for the officials to enforce. They would not be allowed to participate in any post season activities or anything really that is put on by MSHSAA.

No one has time or interest in remaking MSHSAA because it is a necessary organization. It's too easy to just stay the course and not have to deal with remaking something that is only partially broke.

Side question for anyone that knows... how are officials coordinated? Does MSHSAA hire, train, provide them? How much of a role does each school play in getting those crews at the games?
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NFHS does a lot of that .... I don't think the solution is to dissolve MSHSAA but to annoy them till they decide to make it better
 
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Mofan79 said:
NFHS does a lot of that .... I don't think the solution is to dissolve MSHSAA but to annoy them till they decide to make it better
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Exactly, that's really in my opinion the only feasible approach. Members just have to collectively decide it's a grievance worth addressing.
 
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NFHS does a lot of that .... I don't think the solution is to dissolve MSHSAA but to annoy them till they decide to make it better
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Not even sure that is necessary. The professional thing to do would be to tell them the expectations have changed, tell them what the new policies and procedures will be, and hold them accountable. They'll do what the membership desires, that's what they're there for. And when the membership is unhappy with something or wants a change, it needs to be made clear. If they aren't down with it, there are others who would be willing to take their place. For coaches, players, parents, fans, etc, the best thing is to express your displeasure to your district superintendent.
 
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I always wondered what would happen if someone at a playoff game went rogue and just started a live broadcast.
 
Arcola said:
I always wondered what would happen if someone at a playoff game went rogue and just started a live broadcast.
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If I am remembering the details correctly someone did that at a Carthage game a couple years ago and apparently somehow MSHSAA got wind of it and got Facebook to shut it down midway through the game.

KDMO broadcast the Carthage/Willard district game in it's entirety this year. But the following week I went to their website and was greeted with the M$H$AA paywall. So apparently someone got to them.
 
sw5890 said:
If I am remembering the details correctly someone did that at a Carthage game a couple years ago and apparently somehow MSHSAA got wind of it and got Facebook to shut it down midway through the game.

KDMO broadcast the Carthage/Willard district game in it's entirety this year. But the following week I went to their website and was greeted with the M$H$AA paywall. So apparently someone got to them.
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I heard they were found dead laying on their back with a bullet wound in their head. Families were paid off.
 
Mofan79 said:
MSHSAA for there terrible monetization practices... the streams this season were unacceptable and I encourage you to contact them through any of these avenues to let them know

email@mshsaa.org

Send mail to us at:
MSHSAA
PO BOX 1328
Columbia, MO 65205-1328
Street Address:
Missouri State High School Activities Association
1 North Keene St.
Columbia, MO 65201-6645

Call or Fax us at:
(573) 875-4880 Office(573) 875-1450 Fax(573) 875-2379 Fax For Transfer Forms
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Should be able to pay $20 and get ALL games. Also lets quit stealing from the local production crews that are trying to earn a buck while providing a service for people!? Total trash move by MSHSAA
 
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I heard they were found dead laying on their back with a bullet wound in their head. Families were paid off.
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We were joking about how both MSHSAA and especially Facebook can be so slow and inept to handle serious problems on their platform yet they were johnny on the spot to put a stop to this lousy quality hand held video feed with no commentary of a HS football game.
 
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We were joking about how both MSHSAA and especially Facebook can be so slow and inept to handle serious problems on their platform yet they were johnny on the spot to put a stop to this lousy quality hand held video feed with no commentary of a HS football game.
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Same here. Jesh.
 
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