We have seen the last of Carlos Martinez
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I hope so. CMart has allowed 6 of the Braves 12 runs this series. Gallegos for the closer spot for the rest of the postseason ... if there’s another chance to close a game. Can’t do any worse than Martinez has been.
What is he doing throwing at Acuna and mouthing him in that situation. He is just really a screw ball.
I agree...He's ridiculously immature. And he's had two horrendous outings. I don't think there's any chance in hell he's moved in the offseason. If he does, it'll be a Pham type move. And that's stupid.
A couple of things. Dejong not bunting is stupid. If the Bader steal was called from the dugout, even more stupid. Putting the winning run on base is insanely stupid. More hindsight 20/20...but after Miller just looked flat nasty, there's a case to run him out there for the 9th. Donaldson is abysmal vs lefties this year. Then you have Joyce and Markakis scheduled. Less hindsight 20/20 is if you're going to run CMart out there for the 9th, it's criminal not to have someone up for relief, especially given his struggles in game 2.
There's no doubt, this is on CMart. He failed. But Shildt was just horribly bad. All the stuff above, and he got damned lucky he got out of the 8th inning when Waino had nothing left. Just a horrible job by Shildt.
A couple of things. Dejong not bunting is stupid. If the Bader steal was called from the dugout, even more stupid. Putting the winning run on base is insanely stupid. More hindsight 20/20...but after Miller just looked flat nasty, there's a case to run him out there for the 9th. Donaldson is abysmal vs lefties this year. Then you have Joyce and Markakis scheduled. Less hindsight 20/20 is if you're going to run CMart out there for the 9th, it's criminal not to have someone up for relief, especially given his struggles in game 2.
There's no doubt, this is on CMart. He failed. But Shildt was just horribly bad. All the stuff above, and he got damned lucky he got out of the 8th inning when Waino had nothing left. Just a horrible job by Shildt.
Carlos has to go. I'm sure he'll bounce back and be a stud somewhere else. But he's just been too immature here for too long.
I don't think the steal was necessarily called. They thought they had a read on O'day but he used a different motion than what they'd seen before. Bader looked at Pop like what just happened. If it was called Edman should have been on second.
I'm hardly ever a fan of an intentional BB. Unless it's Albert in his prime or someone on a stupid hot streak. Especially if it's a go ahead run. Make that guy actually earn it
A lot of blame to go around. But when you only score 1 run in 2 games you really can't expect to win. Pitching, other than CMart has been plenty good enough all three games. But the offense is killing them.
Nah. I'm Ducking it up here. It's not my money. I don't really want him around anymore. Get me out of his contract and bag of balls to go with it and I'll be happy.
Can't do that. You end up with another Pham deal. A bunch of those and you're the Reds, not the Cardinals.
At that point in his career, Templeton was one of the best young hitters in baseball. He had 200+ hits in 2 of his first three seasons. We traded him for a HOFer named Ozzie. Pretty good value. Ozzie got better and better. Templeton had some issues AFTER that.
I see some of you think an intentional walk is silly. Me and Mike Shannon were both wondering why in the hell they didn't walk Yadi in the 9th. He is tough to strikeout, he just tied the game a few minutes earlier, him being on 1st was NOTHING negative for the Braves, Carp strikes out a lot these days, and he just might ground into the shift for a DP. EVERY reason in the book for the intentional pass on that one.
I agree with your Yadi intentional pass thinking. Not the same situation as Sunday, though.
At least not on 3 days rest. He’s not a big enough stud to be used like that.Speaking of pitchers gettin whacked, I'll bet Keuchel hopes he NEVER has to face the Cardinals again!
I wouldn't disagree with walking Yadi there to load the bases. Teams used to do that if the winning run was at 3B. Yadi is the best on the team at hitting the ball where he needs to in a particular situation. I guess there were more scared of Carp hitting a deep fly ball than him.
That was a baffling non-move by Snitcker. Super weird. I'd love to know their thought process there, other than maybe thinking ground ball DP...which is totally a possibility for Molina. The second pitch of the AB was up though, maybe trying to pop him up. But I would've thought, especially with Teheran on the mound they'd just pound sinkers down in the zone. He missed with one, then went up. Just odd.
Can we save CMart for another year now after getting out of that jam yesterday? I thought for sure he'd implode after Acuna got him for the leadoff double. Dude was filthy after that. He's owed $11.5M over the next two years. That's pretty cheap for a #2-4 starter, especially when you've got Flaherty and Hudson on the cheap too. Helsley and Gomber probably battle for the #5 role if there is a need, all depending on Waino I suppose. Hicks probably not back until the ASB. So there's a need there. I think Gallegos or Helsley would play fine in that role. Gant and Brebbia could probably in a pinch. Pitching is good and cheap right now for the roster construction. Time to fix the offense w/o hurting the defense. Anthony Rendon anyone???
Speaking of filthy...How nasty was Miller to Freeman? Dude didn't have a chance. That's the Miller I thought we were getting. When his location is on, that guy is good.
Let’s move to a more critical subject. Your boy Fowler. Moving him to lead off worked late in the year. But right now we are wasting a hell of a lot of hits by Goldie and Ozuna. We need baserunners on in front of them. Let’s go with Edman-Wong-Goldie-Ozuna. As long as Wong promises to keep hitting the ball the other way. Fowler is hitting .116 over his last 69 at bats.
If I were putting a lineup together, I think it'd look something like this...
3B Edman
2B Wong
1B Goldie
LF Ozuna
C Molina
RF Fowler
CF Arozarena
SS Dejong
Kinda create a second top of the order situation in front of Dejong. I know it'll never happen, and I'm not sure it's a good idea to take Marp out. Maybe put Marp in Fowler's spot and play Edman in RF. Long story short, Arozarena should've been given an opportunity a month ago so we know if he could hit MLB pitching. Given the legit options...same order as above, except drop Fowler to 7th and hit Marp 6th.
He wasn't too good either time he faced them. He spent a lot of time turning and looking at the bleachers in disbelief.
He is a good thrower. He has a super arm and good movement on his pitches. He is inconsistent, unreliable, immature and annoying.
Sometimes the talent isn’t worth dealing with on a regular basis. Some coaches/managers have “special” rules for those individuals. No place for individual rules on a TEAM, IMO
I get everything you and Duck are saying, and I don’t really disagree with much other than the inconsistency. But this is pro sports. It’s different than what Duck or I dealt with in HS athletics. Fact is, when Hicks went down the Birds were in a spot. CMart stepped in and converted 24 of 27 saves. That’s not an easy thing to do. Miller struggled. Gant ran out of gas. And it’s nice not having to put the pressure on Gallegos. Without CMart, I don’t think the Birds make the playoffs.
Hate seeing Gallegos pitching in the 7th ... would rather
I understand it’s not HS athletics. I coached and am still coaching there myself. I also understand where your argument for keeping him is coming from. But when you’re paying someone X amount of dollars and ask him to rehab during the off-season and he pretty much thumbs his nose at you, then gets hurt again ... throw that on top of his attitude and immaturity ... I have to weigh that vs. his talent and decide if he worth that X amount of dollars.
And the effect he has on those around him.
He is the one kid in the class who makes those on the bubble hate school. He is 28 years old and Yadi still has to “handle him”.
Looking at the guys in the pen...you gotta play Carlos if you want to win. Gallegos has been more lights out and they probably should use him as more of their right handed stopper instead of mindlessly using him in the 7th inning or something like that, but Carlos has been the second best righty out of the pen this year.
If we're going to lose, I want to go down playing my best players. Carlos is one of the best guys in our pen.
I could see him driving some guys crazy, but there's also times that a guy like that rubs off on everyone.
Are any of you in the dugout, meetings and/or clubhouse. How are you making this assessment of Carlos negatively effecting his teammates
Having to be “handled” by his catcher on a consistent basis after having been a MLB pitcher for X number of years, says a lot.
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