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Good signing!! Wainwright replaces Lackey as our #1 and Leake is as good as Lynn. Who is going to bat 4th has been and is their biggest need.
 
Good signing!! Wainwright replaces Lackey as our #1 and Leake is as good as Lynn. Who is going to bat 4th has been and is their biggest need.
Pump the brakes on as good as Lynn, but he's certainly a quality pitcher. People tend to forget just how good Lynn has been the past four years because of his postseason disappearing acts. Leake is a more pitch to contact type guy, and probably won't win as many games, but he's definitely a quality 4/5 for this rotation. Would also imagine this signing might free up a young arm to be packaged for that bat everyone wants. Just a thought.
 
Probably right is +1 war really that big of difference?
No it's a very silly stat. Who in the heck knows who that replacement might be and how they would pitch in a different park? there is no way to know that answer.
 
Please tell me you still think a pitchers W/L record for a season is a good stat
 
RBI's tell you everything you need to know. If they don't have more than 100, they suck
RBI total is pretty dependent on other guys being on base. Maybe one of you can tell me how in the hell you can possibly figure out how much better a guy is than is imaginary replacement.
 
You're a grown man. You can educate yourself.
No, you stat guys can educate me on how you know an imaginary player MIGHT be better than any other real player. You can't because YOU don't know yourself!
 
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No, you stat guys can educate me on how you know an imaginary player MIGHT be better than any other real player. You can't because YOU don't know yourself!
I think I am a +11 WAR poster because nobody can replace me.
 
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Pump the brakes on as good as Lynn, but he's certainly a quality pitcher. People tend to forget just how good Lynn has been the past four years because of his postseason disappearing acts. Leake is a more pitch to contact type guy, and probably won't win as many games, but he's definitely a quality 4/5 for this rotation. Would also imagine this signing might free up a young arm to be packaged for that bat everyone wants. Just a thought.
He's also been very healthy which is a plus in a rotation with guys like Jaime.
 
No it's a very silly stat. Who in the heck knows who that replacement might be and how they would pitch in a different park? there is no way to know that answer.
Your problem is, you try to deal in exactness with this. There's obviously no way to do that, conventional stats or sabe stats. Sabes just tend to tell a bit deeper story than conventional stats. Which, in turn, make the predictions a little less murky. And they do allow for outliers, like park adjusted numbers and such. WAR is probably better used to try to differentiate between groups of players (subs, starters, all-stars), rather than two players as close as Leake and Lynn (the two compared here). But keep in mind, WAR is a combination of a number of statistics. So no, it's obviously not exact. But to just dismiss it is silly. It's a far better predictor and comparison tool than simply looking at W-L record or ERA.
 
He's also been very healthy which is a plus in a rotation with guys like Jaime.
I think that's a huge part of this deal. He's an innings eater so far in his career. And given the amount of question marks with health coming off last season, that's not to be undersold.
 
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