We are an insult to college football

[Nwalls]

Mizzou football is a huge insult to the state. Last year walk out this year play with
no passion. We are light years from being a SEC contender again. What good player
in their right mind would go there. I have a ton of Mizzou stuff but why wear it just
promoting a lost cause. Odom goes 2 and 10 first year might be his only year.

 

[runbillyrun]

Mizzou football is a huge insult to the state. Last year walk out this year play with
no passion. We are light years from being a SEC contender again. What good player
in their right mind would go there. I have a ton of Mizzou stuff but why wear it just
promoting a lost cause. Odom goes 2 and 10 first year might be his only year.

LES MILES ??

 

[mizzoutiger13]

Really believed in the Barry Odom hire, decided to buy in and say they believe in the system and he's the system. Now I'm thinking he was really the best they could get. Starting to look like an 80s style dormancy.

 

[Rufus R. Jones]

Really believed in the Barry Odom hire, decided to buy in and say they believe in the system and he's the system. Now I'm thinking he was really the best they could get. Starting to look like an 80s style dormancy.

And 90's.

 

[HomeyR]

How long do you give Odom and staff to effectively recruit ? The cupboard was pretty well empty after the 2014 season. Pinkel didn't leave much when he stepped down...

 

[mizzoutiger13]

How long do you give Odom and staff to effectively recruit ? The cupboard was pretty well empty after the 2014 season. Pinkel didn't leave much when he stepped down...

2 full recruiting cycles with more wins each season. With how competitive the league and where mizzou just recently was, that's how it has to be. Now I think it's time for fire Cross. He looks lost on the sidelines. A very good defensive unit from last season that returned a lot should not in anyway be giving up 51 points to Middle Tennessee

 

[NikeFootball59]

He left us a top 5 defense that is now ranked in the 100's or 90's in almost every category. I'm not one to blame coaches, but I can sniff out a young, ego-filled staff from a mile away. This is one. The longer we let this thing run, the longer we'll rebuild and suffer. Do you really want to waste the years we have Lock, Beckner, Crockett, and an experienced OL on this shite?

 

[bullitpdq68]

Seems like several years ago this was the same talk we were having on Pinkel, I guess if you don't produce you are in the hot seat. How quickly we as fans forget it takes awhile to build something. Not saying Odom is the guy but come on you have to give him time.

Anybody remember this 2004...
http://lubbockonline.com/stories/103004/col_103004014.shtml#.WA-Zly0rLs0

the seat is just warm

Gary Pinkel, Missouri: Mizzou came into this season as one of the leading candidates to run away from the pack in the North. But, the Tigers lost early in a non-conference game at Troy and still only hold a one-game lead against the rest of the division. He was successful at Toledo, but has gone just 21-22 in his four years at Mizzou. If the Tigers win the North convincingly, all should be forgiven. If they don't, or fail to win it at all, Pinkel should still be safe ... for now.

 

[Eagles_Ball]

Seems like several years ago this was the same talk we were having on Pinkel, I guess if you don't produce you are in the hot seat. How quickly we as fans forget it takes awhile to build something. Not saying Odom is the guy but come on you have to give him time.

Anybody remember this 2004...
http://lubbockonline.com/stories/103004/col_103004014.shtml#.WA-Zly0rLs0

the seat is just warm

Gary Pinkel, Missouri: Mizzou came into this season as one of the leading candidates to run away from the pack in the North. But, the Tigers lost early in a non-conference game at Troy and still only hold a one-game lead against the rest of the division. He was successful at Toledo, but has gone just 21-22 in his four years at Mizzou. If the Tigers win the North convincingly, all should be forgiven. If they don't, or fail to win it at all, Pinkel should still be safe ... for now.

Two COMPLETELY different situations. Pinkel took over for Larry Smith, who was 33-46. And it was far worse than that prior to Smith.

Odom took over for Pinkel, who had a very nice run of competitive seasons with a few trips to a conference title game thrown in. Odom was also left one of the nations better defenses, with 9/11ths (I think) of it returning. Odom had been a coordinator all of three seasons (one at a P5 program) prior to his being named HC.

I'd be impressed if MU fans weren't a tad worried. Some of the things done during games don't exactly do much to instill confidence in a guy that has zero track record of making the right calls.

 

[wcowherd]

Right now, it's both a talent and coaching issue. The talent is as low as I've seen at Mizzou since at least 2004. However, there is more than enough talent to beat the likes of mid Tennessee state. That's on the coach. Hopefully both improve.

 

[Eagles_Ball]

The talent is as low as I've seen at Mizzou since at least 2004.

Didn't they return almost all of the defense? Honest question, too many bodies for me to follow like I can in hoops. A couple of solid RBs, Lock is a yr older. O-line is pretty awful, which really hurts obviously. WRs aren't good either. No clue of depth (see bodies comment above). Two biggest concerns for me would be...1) A former DC as first year HC is giving up lots of points/yards with a defense that returned a lot (I think). 2) The offense isn't great, and they're undermanned most games...yet they continue to try to play super fast. Which, btw, I think is a direct reflection on the poor performance of the defense. And that's completely controllable by the coaches. #2 is the most confusing to me.

 

[wcowherd]

Didn't they return almost all of the defense? Honest question, too many bodies for me to follow like I can in hoops. A couple of solid RBs, Lock is a yr older. O-line is pretty awful, which really hurts obviously. WRs aren't good either. No clue of depth (see bodies comment above). Two biggest concerns for me would be...1) A former DC as first year HC is giving up lots of points/yards with a defense that returned a lot (I think). 2) The offense isn't great, and they're undermanned most games...yet they continue to try to play super fast. Which, btw, I think is a direct reflection on the poor performance of the defense. And that's completely controllable by the coaches. #2 is the most confusing to me.

The O line has actually been good this year. Lock was terrible last year and hasn't really improved this year (the system improved). Missouri has allowed 0.8 sacks per game this year. Last year we allowed 2.5 sacks per game. This year we are averaging 4.8 yards/carry. Last we we averaged 3.5 yards/carry. The line has really improved.

The defense lost Brothers (leading tackler), brady (really good d end), Augusta is slower and fatter than he's ever been and can't crack the first rotation, and Simon (a very good safety). The biggest difference I see on defense is the depth. For the past few years we could rotate people in and not see an appreciable drop off. Now we sub on the line and there's no rush and no gap control. Granted, the first string isn't doing much better, but at least they have a chance. Some of this is coaching, but some is talent.

The offense speaks for itself. Nothing at receiver besides moore, no one at rb besides Crockett, and lock still sucks against any competent defense.

The coaches and players claim playing fast on offense is their best chance to win. I don't know if that's true. It certainly hasn't helped us beat anyone we shouldn't (or should). It's better than what we had last year, but I think I could call a better game than Henson called last year.