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Trump's Cabinet

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I haven't heard this speculation anywhere so I will ask here.
I know they said Trump picked JD because Jr and Eric thought a Rubio would look to undermine him and take over after he pushed the 25th amendment.
Is it possible he is trying to staff the cabinet with as many people who could not get those jobs if it weren't for him, so they will not be willing to stab him in the back with the 25th.
Or is it possible that he just went down Comet Ping Pong and said no reason to do this stuff here, when we can all be in the White House together?
 
Trump, before the election:

"I know nothing about Project 2025. I have no idea who is behind it. I disagree with some of the things they’re saying and some of the things they’re saying are absolutely ridiculous and abysmal...I have nothing to do with them.”

Yesterday:

Trump set to appoint Project 2025 architect Russ Vought to Office of Management and Budget​

 
Trump, before the election:

"I know nothing about Project 2025. I have no idea who is behind it. I disagree with some of the things they’re saying and some of the things they’re saying are absolutely ridiculous and abysmal...I have nothing to do with them.”

Yesterday:

Trump set to appoint Project 2025 architect Russ Vought to Office of Management and Budget​

and the MAGA believed him.

Again.
 
And he is a great choice!!!

You do understand that the Heritage Foundation has been putting out a set of conservative policies each presidential cycle since about 1980. They outline a common sense vision for the future of our country.

At some point in time damn near every republican has had a paper included

It’s a great day for our country
MAGA!!!
 
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And he is a great choice!!!

You do understand that the Heritage Foundation has been putting out a set of conservative policies each presidential cycle since about 1980. They outline a common sense vision for the future of our country.

At some point in time damn near every republican has had a paper included

It’s a great day for our country
MAGA!!!
Let me jump in before the other. Are you in a cult Magat?
 
Nope,,,a cult is normally a very small group of people following some fringe belief.

When a group has well over 75 million members it would have to qualify as a mainstream movement

The fact that you think the 75 million people who voted for him are true Trumpists is funny. 75 million voted for him. A significantly smaller number of those 75 million are true believer types. Do you sincerely think that all of the people that voted for Harris voted for her because they were fully and truly on board with her and her message as a candidate? Some were, but, likewise, it was significantly less than the total number of votes.
 
Nope,,,a cult is normally a very small group of people following some fringe belief.

When a group has well over 75 million members it would have to qualify as a mainstream movement

Also, just academically speaking, there are other definitions beyond the first one listed in the dictionary. For your intellectual edification, here are two that easily fit:

a misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular thing: the cult of the pursuit of money as an end in itself.

a person or thing that is popular or fashionable among a particular group or section of society: the series has become a bit of a cult in the UK | [as modifier] : a cult film | the program built up a cult following.
 
In this case, it’s a group of people so enamored with celebrity that they believe the fantasy presented in a reality show was real. It’s not shocking that his popularity among the WWE set is overwhelming.

I have neighbors so infatuated by this fraud they have had signs and flags out for him for five years.
When those signs deteriorate they spend money on new ones. If he says an election was rigged or Putin is a good guy or immigrants are eating pets that belief becomes part of who they are. They question nothing he says. That’s a cult no matter how many millions it involves. Blinded is a member.
 
a misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular thing: the cult of the pursuit of money as an end in itself.
Cults usually have harmful intentions. Politics aside, would that fit a group of people that:
Supported and vehemently pushed for the at will mass murdering of a specific group of individuals in a populace?
Advocated for and financially supported the bodily mutilation of mentally ill individuals, even to allow minors to hide it from their parents.
I started to go on about the support of a mentally incompetent person for president and then accuse maga supporters of the same, policies that have caused an economic disaster, policies that allowed thousands of people to invade our country illegally and then shipped them to places to change the voting populace of swing states. But I'll stick to the first two points because they are pure evil and the others can be debated.
 
Cults usually have harmful intentions. Politics aside, would that fit a group of people that:
Supported and vehemently pushed for the at will mass murdering of a specific group of individuals in a populace?
Advocated for and financially supported the bodily mutilation of mentally ill individuals, even to allow minors to hide it from their parents.
I started to go on about the support of a mentally incompetent person for president and then accuse maga supporters of the same, policies that have caused an economic disaster, policies that allowed thousands of people to invade our country illegally and then shipped them to places to change the voting populace of swing states. But I'll stick to the first two points because they are pure evil and the others can be debated.
straw man
 
Cults usually have harmful intentions. Politics aside, would that fit a group of people that:
Supported and vehemently pushed for the at will mass murdering of a specific group of individuals in a populace?
Advocated for and financially supported the bodily mutilation of mentally ill individuals, even to allow minors to hide it from their parents.
I started to go on about the support of a mentally incompetent person for president and then accuse maga supporters of the same, policies that have caused an economic disaster, policies that allowed thousands of people to invade our country illegally and then shipped them to places to change the voting populace of swing states. But I'll stick to the first two points because they are pure evil and the others can be debated.
You can't claim to want rational debate when you take an extreme view of the other group's positions.
"vehemently pushed for the at-will mass murdering"? Who was doing that? I assume you were talking about abortion, but I don't ever remember any Democrat this cycle or really any at all calling for abortions.
Same with "Advocated for the bodily mutualation of mentally ill and to allow minors to hide it from their parents." I have shortened what you wrote because there is some legitimacy to some of it, but then you go a step beyond what is legit.
I don't think anyone is calling for minors to be able to have surgery without parental consent. I think there are some who want hormone treatments and others, but not actual surgery.
 
Cults usually have harmful intentions. Politics aside, would that fit a group of people that:
Supported and vehemently pushed for the at will mass murdering of a specific group of individuals in a populace?
Advocated for and financially supported the bodily mutilation of mentally ill individuals, even to allow minors to hide it from their parents.
I started to go on about the support of a mentally incompetent person for president and then accuse maga supporters of the same, policies that have caused an economic disaster, policies that allowed thousands of people to invade our country illegally and then shipped them to places to change the voting populace of swing states. But I'll stick to the first two points because they are pure evil and the others can be debated.

This is not debate. This is intellectual dishonesty, which may be the worst brand. Or it could be even worse: that this is not intellectual dishonesty and you actually just don't have a clue what you're doing rhetorically. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say that it is intellectual dishonesty, though.

I'm going to define and explain several (though not all) of the logical fallacies your response is guilty of, not only for your enlightenment, but also so that you know why these types of arguments can't be taken very seriously as intellectual discourse.

Straw man fallacy: You oversimplify the opposing views to make them easier to attack. Textbook, as pointed out by Veer2Eternity.

Equivocation fallacy: Knowing that I wasn't using the same definition of cult as you were attempting to straw man me into, you persisted in using that definition because it fit your argument.

Loaded language/Appeal to fear: When you use words like "Mass murdering," "bodily mutilation," "economic disaster," and "pure evil," you are clearly trying to cause an emotional reaction, like fear, (or are expressing your feelings rather than dispassionate arguments) rather than attempting to foster an rational, reasoned discussion.

Slippery slope: When you say "policies that allowed thousands of people to invade our country illegally," you assume a chain reaction of events without giving specific evidence of a causal link. It implies a catastrophic outcome (e.g., changing the voting populace of swing states) without substantiating how these events are connected causally.

In using these fallacies, you avoid engaging in a reasoned, evidence-based discussion and instead appeal to emotion, fear, and oversimplification to persuade or provoke. These fallacious methods of argument are convincing to a lot of people, maybe even most people, and in that way, they are effective (though not intellectually honest). Politicians of all stripes use these fallacies constantly, which we rightly criticize them for. But when we turn around and use the same fallacies, we are no better than they are.
 
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This is not debate. This is intellectual dishonesty, which may be the worst brand. Or it could be even worse: that this is not intellectual dishonesty and you actually just don't have a clue what you're doing rhetorically. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say that it is intellectual dishonesty, though.

I'm going to define and explain several (though not all) of the logical fallacies your response is guilty of, not only for your enlightenment, but also so that you know why these types of arguments can't be taken very seriously as intellectual discourse.

Straw man fallacy: You oversimplify the opposing views to make them easier to attack. Textbook, as pointed out by Veer2Eternity.

Equivocation fallacy: Knowing that I wasn't using the same definition of cult as you were attempting to straw man me into, you persisted in using that definition because it fit your argument.

Loaded language/Appeal to fear: When you use words like "Mass murdering," "bodily mutilation," "economic disaster," and "pure evil," you are clearly trying to cause an emotional reaction, like fear, (or are expressing your feelings rather than dispassionate arguments) rather than attempting to foster an rational, reasoned discussion.

Slippery slope: When you say "policies that allowed thousands of people to invade our country illegally," you assume a chain reaction of events without giving specific evidence of a causal link. It implies a catastrophic outcome (e.g., changing the voting populace of swing states) without substantiating how these events are connected causally.

In using these fallacies, you avoid engaging in a reasoned, evidence-based discussion and instead appeal to emotion, fear, and oversimplification to persuade or provoke. These fallacious methods of argument are convincing to a lot of people, maybe even most people, and in that way, they are effective (though not intellectually honest). Politicians of all stripes use these fallacies constantly, which we rightly criticize them for. But when we turn around and use the same fallacies, we are no better than they are.
I wish I could say it this well. Could you please come meet with my neighbors?
 
This is not debate. This is intellectual dishonesty, which may be the worst brand. Or it could be even worse: that this is not intellectual dishonesty and you actually just don't have a clue what you're doing rhetorically. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say that it is intellectual dishonesty, though.

I'm going to define and explain several (though not all) of the logical fallacies your response is guilty of, not only for your enlightenment, but also so that you know why these types of arguments can't be taken very seriously as intellectual discourse.

Straw man fallacy: You oversimplify the opposing views to make them easier to attack. Textbook, as pointed out by Veer2Eternity.

Equivocation fallacy: Knowing that I wasn't using the same definition of cult as you were attempting to straw man me into, you persisted in using that definition because it fit your argument.

Loaded language/Appeal to fear: When you use words like "Mass murdering," "bodily mutilation," "economic disaster," and "pure evil," you are clearly trying to cause an emotional reaction, like fear, (or are expressing your feelings rather than dispassionate arguments) rather than attempting to foster an rational, reasoned discussion.

Slippery slope: When you say "policies that allowed thousands of people to invade our country illegally," you assume a chain reaction of events without giving specific evidence of a causal link. It implies a catastrophic outcome (e.g., changing the voting populace of swing states) without substantiating how these events are connected causally.

In using these fallacies, you avoid engaging in a reasoned, evidence-based discussion and instead appeal to emotion, fear, and oversimplification to persuade or provoke. These fallacious methods of argument are convincing to a lot of people, maybe even most people, and in that way, they are effective (though not intellectually honest). Politicians of all stripes use these fallacies constantly, which we rightly criticize them for. But when we turn around and use the same fallacies, we are no better than they are.
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