Out of the picture now. Angels got him for a pitcher and low level minor league player. Don't know much about the pitcher, but the Cards surely could of matched this price. I'm dumbfounded by their lack of pursuit of a middle of the order hitter.
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He will be opting out of his contract in a month. He's a rental. Cards aren't likely to make the playoffs. They shouldn't be renting guys.Out of the picture now. Angels got him for a pitcher and low level minor league player. Don't know much about the pitcher, but the Cards surely could of matched this price. I'm dumbfounded by their lack of pursuit of a middle of the order hitter.
I'm really nervous about him, too. He feels like a mistake in the making. He's not that far from being a very expensive version of Grichuk.
Out of the picture now. Angels got him for a pitcher and low level minor league player. Don't know much about the pitcher, but the Cards surely could of matched this price. I'm dumbfounded by their lack of pursuit of a middle of the order hitter.
You could have said Hank Aaron is available and the Devil's advocate would have found fault with him. You have to take risks to achieve something out of the ordinary like a September surge. Mo isnt willing. He is way too secure in his job.
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Please quit! Upton in 12 seasons is a .269 hitter, 10 seasons of 25+ HRs, 9 seasons of 85+ RBI's
Why should the Cards be playing for a September surge? We're too far back with only a month left to be trading for rentals. Some of it is just business...why would the Cards take on $3-4 M of payroll right now even for free? Save the money for next year or FA
Even if you fired Mo yesterday, a sane replacement would have acknowledged the low value of playing for the playoffs in 2017.
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Albert Pujols in 17 seasons is a .305 hitter, 15 seasons of 25+ HRs, and he'll have 16 seasons of 85+ RBI after this year. He's also absolutely terrible now and projects to be awful for the next few years.
The point isn't what Justin Upton was in 2009 or 2014. You aren't signing him for the past. It's what will he be in 2018-2022. 2018, yeah, he'll still be good. 2019? 2020? I am nervous about committing to him long-term.
The problem is that Upton is running like god on balls hit in play this year (.351 in 2017; .301 and .304 in the two prior years). He is a prime candidate for a big one year decline in batting average (and, correspondingly, OBP and SLG.) He's the sort of guy who gets a big contract then everyone wonders why he declines the next year.
The power is real, no question, but the concern is that he won't make enough contact/get on base enough to be worth $20+ M a year. He hit .246/.310/.465 in 2016. His K rate is closing in on 30% (it did not improve from 2016 to 2017.) The Cards should not give a long term contract to a guy who projects to be a 50/50 combination of the skillsets of Fowler and Grichuk come 2019.
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If the choice is trading for Stanton or signing Upton long term, I have a strong bias towards the guy who will actually still be a star for the next five years.
What on earth do you guys think it would take trade for Stanton? They surely would want our top 5 players and our top 5 prospects too.
There is some limit to his value because of the contract. It would be a lot but it might be less than you would guess.
I haven't seen anything from this organization that makes me think they would give what it takes or take on his salary. Maybe they'll shock me and at least give it a try. IF they would make the effort and fall short everyone would say they never really intended to get him.
Again please quit. I have no desire to search previous posts, but I know you were against the Birds going after Stanton when I was calling for it. So just to remind you, I have always been in the go get Stanton camp to the point I believe I said I would trade Reyes and any # of players to get him
I would trade Reyes, any 2 OFs they want. and one other mid level prospect.If you want this guy it's going to be costly. Might take more than what I just proposed. I might be willing to go more if they threw another player. I would go all in on the guy and have said that for a long time. It's not my money, but I know I would be going back to the ball park if they get this guy. There is nobody on this team I wouldn't trade for him.
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I don't think the cards should take on stantons contract because of the out clause. My point is if the cards are going to sign an OF for a number of years for big money they should pay for an actual star and not a pretend oneAgain please quit. I have no desire to search previous posts, but I know you were against the Birds going after Stanton when I was calling for it. So just to remind you, I have always been in the go get Stanton camp to the point I believe I said I would trade Reyes and any # of players to get him
Would be much more than that
How does Jeter justify to his fan base that he just traded away their only superstar? Not a great way to start out as a new owner. They aren't a bad team, so they need him to compete.
The team is way in the red and they won't be good before Stanton leaves from the opt out.
It takes a lot of lost ticket sales to lose enough revenue to offset the contract
I agree somewhat but some guys are still not the same. And some guys need it a second time.
I'm also not sure if this blows a year of his service time
I'm also not sure if this blows a year of his service time
I think you move Stanton for anything short of a Trout/Harper/Bryant type package right now.....and you see that ticket sale number drop to dangerous levels. They already hated Loria for selling everything that wasn't nailed down.
I'm not saying Stanton holds the value of those top guys in the long term, but as it currently sits.....there is no hotter name in the game. What are you doing for me now screams the loudest to the typical fan
Even in years they won the world series they had trouble selling tickets, I'm not sure why anybody would want to buy this team.. They are in the wild card hunt right now with the best player going and can't get people to come.
I get that.... I really do. I enjoy laughing at how full that hideous stadium is
But you move Stanton, Jeter and his wife might be the only people in the stands
Worth the cost of admission. Similar to why I wanted the Cubs to take on Verlanders contract.... not for him, but Kate
He really doesn't seem to have a choice terrible city for baseball. Not sure they had great crowds during their championship seasons..If true, the Birds need to go all out and get Stanton and then rely on the young talent you have left to build around him. They would have to take at least 2 of our current OFs. 2 for 1 cost players great for the budget. At least 1 of our top pitchers. Weaver or Reyes Weaver would get it done I believe again cost control. Shoot might as well throw in kelly Miami gets a core of baseball ready players at great cost control and we bust the bank of both money and players. Piscotti and Pham gone in trade
Carp 1b
Fowler LF
DeJong SS
Stanton RF
Gyroko 3b
Wong 2b
Molina C
Grichuk LF
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The rumors that the team is losing 60 M didn't come out because they wanted to compete
Also, objectively, it's not like they are that close to being awesome. This team really shouldn't have a 110 M payroll. They don't have the prospects coming in the next 2 years to get better. Their pitching is a dumpster fire and they don't have the budget to fix it. They should tear it down and start over. Dump the three good position players for prospects and international signing dollars and start over
I don't see how Fowler can be counted on to play anywhere near everyday. I assume you meant to have him CF. You may have just given Duck a stroke keeping DeJong at SS and in the 3 hole. I'm ready for him to move to 3rd, although he ain't as bad at SS as Duck makes him out to be.
I have a bigger range in my kitchen than DeJong has at SS. If he is the SS of the future its going to be a loooong dry spell.
I'm not sure of the details of the deal..... other than that disgusting POS statue can not be touched
I'm looking at it this way....
They have an impossibly terrible pitching staff. Like....I don't know how you get this bad. However, they are objectively a few Stanton homeruns away from a 2nd WC spot. Will they get it? Would take an act of god..... but they are still there with that miserable staff. They need to find 2 more Dan Straily's. They can go pick up any combination Trevor Cahill, Alex Cobb, Nate Eovaldi, Jaime Garcia or Lance Lynn..... and they are already a much better team
The Royals will give you Trevor Cahill and a bag of balls free... no charge ! LOL
He's been rough for them. But I know he did well for the Cubs, very well. Hated to see him go, but he wanted to start. Did well for SD. Crapped out in KC.....like Travis Wood. Yikes...
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