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Buck Commander

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Listening to 97.1 on lunch, heard whoever the conservative talking head was say the word thug 6 times (after I started keeping track), I also hear conservative posters on here refer to black men as thugs when they do something wrong. So tell me the truth, is the word THUG just the white PC way to use the N-word in plain sight?

I've never once heard a white guy screw up and be called a "thug", and was just wondering why that is.
 
No I pretty much think that a thug is about any heavy handed criminal regardless to race.

Its just that most of the heavy handed criminals that have made the news and discussed on here (Travon Martin, DGB, Michael Brown) happen to be black
 
Originally posted by Stevedangos:

No I pretty much think that a thug is about any heavy handed criminal regardless to race.

Its just that most of the heavy handed criminals that have made the news and discussed on here (Travon Martin, DGB, Michael Brown) happen to be black
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Originally posted by Drop.Tine:
Originally posted by Stevedangos:

No I pretty much think that a thug is about any heavy handed criminal regardless to race.

Its just that most of the heavy handed criminals that have made the news and discussed on here (Travon Martin, DGB, Michael Brown) happen to be black
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Trayvon Martin? What crime did he commit worthy of a death sentence? Being black and scaring Zimmerman?

Last I checked being black isn't a crime.
 
Gosh Buck didn't you know Drop and Django are color blind?
Next thing you know Drop will accuse you of promoting Hugs for thugs.
Never question Fox news, conservative radio, or the Po Po.
 
You're white Duck, it's not like I like you either. I call it like I see it. Mike Brown is.......was a thug.

And now we have these animals burning down a great community........was a great community.
 
Travon Martin assaulted Zimmerman on a city street in front of many witnesses.

Zimmerman saw a suspicouse person and he took out his phone and did the right thing and called the police. FOlowing somone is not against any law

Travon saw someone following him,,,called his girl friend and called Zimmerman a "Creepy-A**-Cracker,,,then went and attacked him, and got killed in the process.

Florida (like MIssouri) gives citizens a great amount of leeway in the use of deadly force if they believe they or others are in danger of great bodily harm or death
 
I can't speak for everywhere or everyone, but where I live the word thug means "no goods" "troublemakers", " of low social standing". This can apply to black or white, but around here I hear thugs referenced more to white's because of demographics.
 
Originally posted by Stevedangos:

Travon Martin assaulted Zimmerman on a city street in front of many witnesses.

Zimmerman saw a suspicouse person and he took out his phone and did the right thing and called the police. FOlowing somone is not against any law

Travon saw someone following him,,,called his girl friend and called Zimmerman a "Creepy-A**-Cracker,,,then went and attacked him, and got killed in the process.

Florida (like MIssouri) gives citizens a great amount of leeway in the use of deadly force if they believe they or others are in danger of great bodily harm or death
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Zimmerman should have stopped at calling the police. Wasn't his job to follow Martin, and sure wasn't his job to use deadly force. Zimmerman got assaulted AFTER following and likely antagonizing Martin.

You're aware Zimmerman is in prison right now for trying to be a cowboy right?

Martin wasn't a criminal, he was a teenager who was being stalked by a creepy A cracker.
 
Jenny,

Can you just admit you're racist? Why tiptoe around it. You're obviously proud of it, it's not a big deal to you to call them animals.
 
Originally posted by ag-man:
I can't speak for everywhere or everyone, but where I live the word thug means "no goods" "troublemakers", " of low social standing". This can apply to black or white, but around here I hear thugs referenced more to white's because of demographics.
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I have never once hear the word thug in reference to a white person.

Watch Fox News tonight and count the number of times the word thug is used in reference to black people.
 
Originally posted by Buck Commander:


Originally posted by Stevedangos:

Travon Martin assaulted Zimmerman on a city street in front of many witnesses.

Zimmerman saw a suspicouse person and he took out his phone and did the right thing and called the police. FOlowing somone is not against any law

Travon saw someone following him,,,called his girl friend and called Zimmerman a "Creepy-A**-Cracker,,,then went and attacked him, and got killed in the process.

Florida (like MIssouri) gives citizens a great amount of leeway in the use of deadly force if they believe they or others are in danger of great bodily harm or death
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Zimmerman should have stopped at calling the police. Wasn't his job to follow Martin, and sure wasn't his job to use deadly force. Zimmerman got assaulted AFTER following and likely antagonizing Martin.

You're aware Zimmerman is in prison right now for trying to be a cowboy right?

Martin wasn't a criminal, he was a teenager who was being stalked by a creepy A cracker.
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I thought that Zimmerman was half Spanish. Why would you call him a "creepy A cracker"?
 
Originally posted by Stevedangos:

Travon Martin assaulted Zimmerman on a city street in front of many witnesses.

Zimmerman saw a suspicouse person and he took out his phone and did the right thing and called the police. FOlowing somone is not against any law

Travon saw someone following him,,,called his girl friend and called Zimmerman a "Creepy-A**-Cracker,,,then went and attacked him, and got killed in the process.

Florida (like MIssouri) gives citizens a great amount of leeway in the use of deadly force if they believe they or others are in danger of great bodily harm or death
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revisionist history ITT.

GZ was not guilty but that doesn't mean Trayvon was guilty of anything. The witnesses did not have anything useful to say about how the confrontation started. That's the reasonable doubt. Clearly they ended up in a fight and that led GZ to use his gun, but it doesn't mean that you can prove or disprove GZ didn't start the fight.

That situation is different from Mike Brown. The facts are pretty powerful that Mike initiated a confrontation at the police vehicle after he had just committed a felony. There's nothing remotely like that with GZ.

I have a lot more sympathy for Trayvon's family; GZ is a wannabe cop whose involvement caused a death. GZ had no business interacting with Trayvon. That doesn't make him a criminal, but it doesn't mean he is magically some blameless hero. No evidence exists that TM was involved in any criminal activity.

His conduct outside of the Trayvon situation reveals an awful lot to dislike about him.
 
Originally posted by Buck Commander:


Originally posted by ag-man:
I can't speak for everywhere or everyone, but where I live the word thug means "no goods" "troublemakers", " of low social standing". This can apply to black or white, but around here I hear thugs referenced more to white's because of demographics.
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I have never once hear the word thug in reference to a white person.

Watch Fox News tonight and count the number of times the word thug is used in reference to black people.
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It's used in Bates County quite a bit. Try not to be so sensitive when people are talking about pieces of crap. Doesn't matter what color they were, I saw whites in pictures also. All of them should have been shot for burning and looting.
 
GZ didnt interact with Travon,,,,,,,,,,,he was following him to see what he was doing.

Travon went and assaulted Zimmerman,,,was on top of him beating on him according to eyewitness testimony and got a 9mm hole blew in him.

Travon had been suspended from school more than once for possession of marajuana and burglary tools if I remeber correctly??
 
Again,,,,following someone and watching them is not a crime,,,,what do you think Neighborhood Watch Organizations do all across the country???

If more people would get out and do spmething to protect their own neighborhoods maybe our cities wouldnt be urbam battlezones


I dont know where you get your information, but Zimmerman is not in jail dude
 
When I hear "thug" I think of gangster, punk, troublemaker, outlaw. If some people are using it as their new N word then so be it for them, I don't care.


"Political Correctness is a
doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly
promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media which holds forth the
proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean
end."

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Originally posted by Stevedangos:
Again,,,,following someone and watching them is not a crime,,,,what do you think Neighborhood Watch Organizations do all across the country???

If more people would get out and do spmething to protect their own neighborhoods maybe our cities wouldnt be urbam battlezones


I dont know where you get your information, but Zimmerman is not in jail dude
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Do you actually know what Neighborhood Watch is? The whole point of the organization is it teaches people to call the police and NOT intervene in any situation.
 
Originally posted by HannibalLector:
When I hear "thug" I think of gangster, punk, troublemaker, outlaw. If some people are using it as their new N word then so be it for them, I don't care.



"Political Correctness is a
doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly
promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media which holds forth the
proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean
end."

Unknown
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Exactly.
 
Originally posted by Stevedangos:
GZ didnt interact with Travon,,,,,,,,,,,he was following him to see what he was doing.

Travon went and assaulted Zimmerman,,,was on top of him beating on him according to eyewitness testimony and got a 9mm hole blew in him.

Travon had been suspended from school more than once for possession of marajuana and burglary tools if I remeber correctly??
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You have no proof of anything GZ did. This is my point. No one had any real good evidence about how Trayvon and GZ came to blows. There were no witness accounts of what caused this nor any forensic evidence that could explain this.

It is clear that nothing would have happened had GZ not decided to pretend he was Wyatt Earp. Can you at least admit that? A person not committing a crime is dead and the main event that caused their interaction was that another person felt the need to pretend to be a police officer because he had a hero complex.

For all the character assassination of Trayvon, you should maybe acknowledge GZ has a lot of flaws of his own, including a history of arrest for violent behavior. Trayvon had no such history.

It's one thing to say the evidence did not support GZ being convicted of a crime. It's another paint TM as some criminal who got what he had coming at the hands of some community protector. GZ is a weird dude whose hero complex got someone else killed.
 
Originally posted by Black&Gold82:
Originally posted by Neutron Monster:
We do not shoot on sight for looting, come on now.
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We should after the first warning. That will put an end to this crap.
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You'd need to amend the Constitution to do that, Supreme Court has consistently held that the 4th Amendment does not allow police to use deadly force to protect property, see Tennessee v. Garner. Case law is quite consistent on this point. The idea is that killing someone is the most intrusive "seizure" that is possible, the seizure of life (4th amendment being no unreasonable search and seizure.) The standard for justifying such a seizure is, therefore, quite high.

I also find your idea morally repugnant. The punishment for theft is not death. The businesses were all closed. No workers or innocents were in danger last night at the looted businesses. If they were robbing houses we'd be having a different discussion but there is a huge, huge distinction between someone looting a boarded up dollar tree and someone robbing a civilian in a way that puts their life in harms way.
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I agree 100% with NM on the GZ,Trayvon issue. Mike Brown's situation was totally different.
 
there was zero evidence presented that Zimmerman confronted Marten in any way, He was following him to see what he was doing. Travon attacked Zimmerman

Heck if someone is parked in front on my house at strange hours I go out and take a picture of them and their car, did it one night and it was a deputy sherif in an unmarked car looking for tornados from the top of the hill :) Cop didnt seem to mind but some people get upset :)
 
Do the owners of private businesses have the right to protect their property? I don't know the statute here, NM, just asking your thoughts.
 
Originally posted by Neutron Monster:


Originally posted by Black&Gold82:

Originally posted by Neutron Monster:
We do not shoot on sight for looting, come on now.
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We should after the first warning. That will put an end to this crap.
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You'd need to amend the Constitution to do that, Supreme Court has consistently held that the 4th Amendment does not allow police to use deadly force to protect property, see Tennessee v. Garner. Case law is quite consistent on this point. The idea is that killing someone is the most intrusive "seizure" that is possible, the seizure of life (4th amendment being no unreasonable search and seizure.) The standard for justifying such a seizure is, therefore, quite high.

I also find your idea morally repugnant. The punishment for theft is not death. The businesses were all closed. No workers or innocents were in danger last night at the looted businesses. If they were robbing houses we'd be having a different discussion but there is a huge, huge distinction between someone looting a boarded up dollar tree and someone robbing a civilian in a way that puts their life in harms way.

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Find it repugnant all you want. Who gives a shit if the business's were all closed? That somehow makes it right? Stealing and looting is something that I find morally repugnant. It's not like they were doing it to survive. They were Christmas shopping and destroying peoples livelihoods. They were putting people in danger.
 
You cant use deadly force to protect property.

if someone is stealing your car you can try to stop them, then if they start beating on you and you fear for your life and use deadly force good chance you wont be prosecuted.

If someone steals your car and are driving away in it and you shoot them, you are going to get convicted of second degree murder probably
 
Irony: Buck complaining about "Thug" then uses the term "cracker" in same thread.
 
Have to say Buck that I have called many a white middle school boys thugs when they act like idiots. Not sure where you live or hang out but thug is common word where I grew up and it has nothing to do with color, but actions. Strong armed robbery is what I consider a thuggish act and no one on here can deny that Brown did this 10 to 15 minutes before he confronted the police.
 
Originally posted by Bearcat-time:

Do the owners of private businesses have the right to protect their property? I don't know the statute here, NM, just asking your thoughts.
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Law varies by state. But, if by "protect their property" you mean shooting someone in your business who isn't threatening the safety of someone, generally, no, that's not protected behavior. It's considered a disproportionate response to the crime.

People are generally only authorized to use lethal force to protect other people and/or to protect their homes (Castle doctrine in many states, including MO, gives people expansive ability to shoot people who are in their houses).
 
Originally posted by Stevedangos:

You cant use deadly force to protect property.

if someone is stealing your car you can try to stop them, then if they start beating on you and you fear for your life and use deadly force good chance you wont be prosecuted.

If someone steals your car and are driving away in it and you shoot them, you are going to get convicted of second degree murder probably
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This is a good overview - generally, there has to be some threat to life/safety to justify the use of lethal force.

You'd probably get voluntary manslaughter and not 2nd degree murder; you could use the car theft as a mitigating factor showing you acted in the heat of the moment.
 
They are great outstanding people,does that make you happy Duck and Buck
 
I agree VB. Brown was a thug.
In fact, he should be in jail right now.
 
Thanks for the info. I was thinking more along the lines of a business owner telling a would be criminal to stop or not to do a crime and the criminal threatening the owner, etc. Cleared that up.

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Originally posted by Drop.Tine:

Irony: Buck complaining about "Thug" then uses the term "cracker" in same thread.
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I was directly quoting stevedragos. Think I even put that in quotations.

Is it really that hard to read from under your white hood?
 
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