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This is a non partisan question.

Duck_walk

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Why do we allow our office holders to accept gifts in return for favorable treatment?

Have our standards always been this low? Why do we think this is perfectly ok?
We get the government we deserve. This is just one example.
No way in hell should this be legal
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christie
 
"We" cant do anything to stop it unless we stop voting for politicians who are part of the system. Best thing that could ever happen would be term limits of 4 years for representatives and 6 years for Senators with nobody to be able to run for another term.

And make it a crime for any lobbyist to contact a senator or representative unless its in public with tape recorders running. Lobbying in itself is not bad, politicians mostly know absolutily nothing about things they are asked to vote on and I am not against farmers( or others) sending someone to explain to representatives their position and concerns on issues. But boat rides in the Bahamas on Yachts paid for by people with agendas need to be stopped.
 
Just asking...
How is it when Democrat William Jefferson takes $90,000 dollars and places it in a refrigerator to hide from the public it's ok, slap on the wrist.

When a Republican is just accused of wrong doing, CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, CBS, NPR, BBC crucifies them.
How is that not political?
 
Your inability to just address my questions without turning it into an irrelevant partisan media attack and taking the thread off on a tangent is a detriment to serious discourse on this board. Peace be with you.
 
Originally posted by Scout 4u:
Just asking...
How is it when Democrat William Jefferson takes $90,000 dollars and places it in a refrigerator to hide from the public it's ok, slap on the wrist.

When a Republican is just accused of wrong doing, CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, CBS, NPR, BBC crucifies them.
How is that not political?
You have selected memory, they pillored Jefferson for that, because it was pretty clear that money was from bribery. There was a ton of commentary on every news network about this. This was a big story.
 
Protesting. Raising Cain. Showing real outrage instead of fake. Not letting up. Demanding change. Getting other people to wake up.
 
So let me ask this question. NM stated yesterday that Ben Carson was a joke candidate because he hadn't been in politics. If we keep electing "politicians " instead of good honorable "regular people", how are we ever going to change things ?
 
Originally posted by ag-man:
So let me ask this question. NM stated yesterday that Ben Carson was a joke candidate because he hadn't been in politics. If we keep electing "politicians " instead of good honorable "regular people", how are we ever going to change things ?
That's the problem, we won't. Politicians will say and do anything necessary to get elected. Good, honorable, regular people won't. Unfortunately there's little hope.
 
Ben Carson is my candidate, interesting you would choose him.
Can he win? ... probably not...Does he speak the truth....yes he does.
 
Originally posted by ag-man:
So let me ask this question. NM stated yesterday that Ben Carson was a joke candidate because he hadn't been in politics. If we keep electing "politicians " instead of good honorable "regular people", how are we ever going to change things ?
Everyone has to start somewhere; people aren't a joke because they've never been a politician. But, it's pretty ridiculous to vote for someone to be President when they've never spent a day in elective office before unless they have some very serious experience to point to (i.e. military or management of a very large organization). The job has some serious responsibilities, and there's no justification for giving it to someone who doesn't have any real experience at all.

Further, Ben Carson isn't coming in like Jeb Bush or someone with a real chance to win. What is his campaign team going to be? What serious person is informally in place to run his PAC? Who is going to endorse him? His campaign is a joke. No one with any clout in his own party takes him seriously; why should the rest of us?

I would also say I didn't call him a joke because he's never been in politics; my point is what he is doing overall is a joke. It's just a move for attention to help him rake in the dough. It's not a serious campaign.
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I'd be ecstatic if Ben Carson provided medical care to one of my relatives. We just need to stop pretending he's something more than Donald Trump or Buddy Roemer.

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I agree with the idea that Congress could benefit from a more diverse set of legislators than it currently has. I would prefer Congress be made up of people from a more diverse set of backgrounds. Congress would be a better place with more business owners, more economists, more tax professionals, more scientists, and other professionals and fewer criminal lawyers (but still some of those, too). I think that would help its expertise on topics. It is depressing that only two members of Congress have Ph.Ds in science given it sets much of our science policy.

In the 2015 world where it takes $5 million+ to win a seat in the House, citizen legislators are a pipe dream. If you want this to happen, you're going to have to amend the Constitution to change campaign finance laws. We live in a world where our legislators have to constantly be raising money for their next election, and that requires a connection to party and financial elites.

This post was edited on 1/6 3:55 PM by Neutron Monster
 
I don't see how money is anything other than speech, cowherd. You use it to buy ads, run town halls, organize get out the vote efforts, etc. That's clearly "speech" in a legal sense.

I'm willing to go a step further than you to say I think the Supreme Court got the case right but the policy is terrible for our democracy and needs to be fixed via constitutional amendment.
 
Those things that NM just mentioned are the only things keeping me from being the next Pres.
 
Originally posted by vbsideout:

Those things that NM just mentioned are the only things keeping me from being the next Pres.
And, as we were reminded today, by law, the Speaker of the House does not have to be in the House. One member of Congress took this to heart and voted for Rand Paul!

You can have the Presidency; my campaign for Speaker of the House for the 2017-2018 Congress starts now.
 
Originally posted by Neutron Monster:


Originally posted by ag-man:
So let me ask this question. NM stated yesterday that Ben Carson was a joke candidate because he hadn't been in politics. If we keep electing "politicians " instead of good honorable "regular people", how are we ever going to change things ?
Everyone has to start somewhere; people aren't a joke because they've never been a politician. But, it's pretty ridiculous to vote for someone to be President when they've never spent a day in elective office before unless they have some very serious experience to point to (i.e. military or management of a very large organization). The job has some serious responsibilities, and there's no justification for giving it to someone who doesn't have any real experience at all.
Since Obama got elected with no real experience running anything, I think your point is highly questionable but, then I look at how that has turned out maybe you have a point.

All it takes to be President (do the job) is intelligence, problem solving skills, and be a good evaluator of people. All the politics stuff is required to get the job not do the job.
 
Originally posted by Neutron Monster:


Originally posted by ag-man:
So let me ask this question. NM stated yesterday that Ben Carson was a joke candidate because he hadn't been in politics. If we keep electing "politicians " instead of good honorable "regular people", how are we ever going to change things ?
Everyone has to start somewhere; people aren't a joke because they've never been a politician. But, it's pretty ridiculous to vote for someone to be President when they've never spent a day in elective office before unless they have some very serious experience to point to (i.e. military or management of a very large organization). The job has some serious responsibilities, and there's no justification for giving it to someone who doesn't have any real experience at all.
Since Obama got elected with no real experience running anything, I think your point is highly questionable but, then I look at how that has turned out maybe you have a point.

All it takes to be President (do the job) is intelligence, problem solving skills, and be a good evaluator of people. All the politics stuff is required to get the job not do the job.
 
Funny, I thought Obama was elected to the Illinois legislature and the United States senate.
 
That's elected office. You just arbitrarily changed the parameters from NM's post.
 
If it's true that Hillary ran away from Benghazi to find Monica who was seen with Bill picking Flowers by Paula Jones's Willy Tree .
then I give up...

Obama is a Saint ...
 
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