The worst Crisis in American History and the Democrats want what???
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35 million for JFK center for performing arts, 300 million for PBS. How did we ever get a system that doesn't have clean bills? Ridiculous.
Congress is like the real world, where things don't happen perfectly. Do you think big companies like Anheuser Busch never wasted money or spent things on pet projects of decision makers? Of course they do.
You gotta get votes to pass things. That means deals will always be made. People dislike them but there's a certain de minimis amount of spending in any large bureaucracy that will always be spent to placate people with political power.
I wouldn't add them, but $300 M for PBS in a $1.5 T bill isn't the sort of thing that should cause you to vote no if you believe the bill is good and systemically important.
Yes it is! it's ONLY 300 million?
There should be zero need to buy a vote unless this isn't really needed.
There should be zero need to buy a vote unless this isn't really needed.
How many times have YOU said to me that some goofy spending I don't like, such as most NASA projects, is ONLY a few hundred million? If you think EVERY bill doesn't have some kind of deal making in it then you don't know half as much as you think you do. None of US like that but that is how it works. I have no idea why people can attach anything to a bill that doesn't pertain to the original intent of a bill but it happens ALL the time! I still like the idea of some rich guy spending hundreds of millions of dollars on a campaign instead just hand out a million to every man woman and child in the country. How many votes do you think he would get if did that rather than give to big media outlets? Either way there trying too buy votes.
I really hope you know how wrong this math is before you posted it.
One of our fine upstanding candidates spent $500 million on campaign ads. How many people are there in the U.S.? here' a hint, it's less than 500 million. What would help the economy more, that money going to media outlets or going straight into the hands of real people? I have illusion that such aching will happen but ti would make lot more sense than what he did with it. I assume he must get some huge tax break for spending it like he did.
I was suggesting that he can’t give everyone in the US a million dollars like you originally said.
Yep. Would be more like $1.40 per person.
I guess I'm missing something. He spent $500 million dollars on ad, not 5 million or 50 million. Is there 500 hundred million people in the U.S.? Last count I heard was something like 360 million.
I never was good at math and those decimals always went in the wrong place. I was taken by someone posting that about the time he dropped out of the race.
It would me because I'd put in the Bill that PBS etc. would be abolished. We need a line item veto and that would take care of a lot of waste. Give the President a lot of power but I'd deal with that trade off.
CNN???I never was good at math and those decimals always went in the wrong place. I was taken by someone posting that about the time he dropped out of the race.
It's not a LOT of money in the big picture but it is a LOT when they sneek it in and isn't a stand alone item being voted on.
Name the Pub pork projects in this bill.
This is the whole problem. Bills should be clean. Nothing that doesn't pertain to a bill should be allowed or added. I get that's the process, but it shouldn't be.
That 30 mil for the JFK center, 300 mil for PBS, etc. would sure feed a lot of homeless people huh? Not sure if they stayed in the bill that passed or not.
It's a great theoretical comment, to be sure. And something we should strive for. But it's just not the way the real world ever works at a large organization.
Line item vetoes are a bad idea that incentivize the non-White House holding party to filibuster everything. How can you trust that you've negotiated a deal if the President can take the pieces he wants and none of the pieces you asked for?
It's a recipe to have nothing get passed because people will assume the other side will act in bad faith.
Think about right now...what if the Dems thought the President would gut the unemployment spending part of the bill. Why would they vote for it?
The Executive Branch is already accumulating more power over time; I'm generally against bills that transition more power from the legislature to the Presidency.
I think Kennedy Center did.
Amazingly, both the original R AND the original D bills had Kennedy Center funding!
Some lobbyist deserves a spot bonus for that.
Giving $25 B to airlines as grants is worse than giving $300 M to PBS
Pubs prefer their pork to be corporate welfare.
Is PBS affected by Covid 19? Are the airlines? Which one can we do without?
PBS has nothing to do with economic stimulus. It's garbage.
Corp. Welfare, Bailouts, geesh.
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No it was posted on this site. I ain't gonna dig for it. I can't help it off I can't add, subtract, multiply or divide too well but I sure made decent living and earned pension building a RR track and the switches to go with it, or fix em when they derail on em.
My $1.14 might buy me a gallon a of gas in another week or two though.
We're down to a $1.63 here today. Reckon the U.S oil and gas industry here will get some bailout money since they can't compete at these prices?
I'd do away with that a filibuster as well....that is beyond stupid as well. What it would do is stop any bill from having Pork or riders. Bills would pass or fail simply on the merit of it's need. All the behind door deals would fall by the way side. 44 states have Line Item veto's...The Fed's need it more than states.
I agree....giving airlines 25 billion is ignorant, but at least they provide a service and are needed. PBS goes away nobody is effected.
$1.57 in Spfld.My $1.14 might buy me a gallon a of gas in another week or two though.
I don't think it can go below $1.50 much but might go some below with oil at $24/barrel. I think the baseline cost to produce is around $1 a gallon before oil costs.
Maybe they'll fix this before Memorial Day so gas prices can jump about a dollar a gallon.
Charitable donations and corporate advertising is down at PBS just like most not for profits.
The logic really shouldn't be which should can be do without. It's what can be handle in a more efficient way. There's no reason to give tens of billions to airlines without wiping the equity holders and much of the non-secured debt to zero. The airlines need fundamental restructuring. Their demand is going to be down even after this is over. DIP financing guarantee was a better idea.
PBS is a public service. It may not be one you want to pay for. But it produces programs generally unlike what else you find on regular network TV.
