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Sleepless_in_Jefferson_County said:
Marshall Faulk, Edgerrin James, Marvin Harrison, Dallas Clark, Reggie Wayne, Pierre Garcon, Demaryus Thomas, Julius Thomas, Emmanuel Sanders, Owen Daniels...yeah Peyton hasn't had anyone around him...
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I will give the edge to talent through their career to Manning because of James, Harrison, Clark, and Wayne. He had Faulk for one year (his rookie year). The other guys havent proven themselves over time and are probably average players without Manning.

That said...Brady has had some pretty good talent around him as well. Branch, Brown, Moss, Gronk, Hernandez.

I think one thing we can all agree on is that Manning and Brady have proven over many years that they make everyone around them better. Thats what makes them great.
 
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Brady's postseason success is undeniable. However, he was aided by some pretty good defenses and kickers. His first super bowl was after probably one of the most average playoff performances for a QB to win the Super Bowl (probably only surpassed by Mannings playoff performance in 2006). 1 TD/1 INT, 62% completion for the entire playoffs. This of course the year of the tuck rule which ultimately gave the Pats/Vinatieri the opportunity for the win. His next two Super Bowls, 2003: 5 TD/2 INT and 59% completion. 2004: 5 TD/0 INT and 68% completion. Tainted by spygate. 2014 was his best postseason performance 10 TD/4 INT. Tained by deflategate and aided by probably the biggest bonehead play call on the goaline in NFL history.

Manning will always be considered a postseason flop because of the multiple one and dones and lack of success in the super bowl (1-3) despite a 4-1 record in the AFC championship. But as we all know, its more than just QB play to win the big one. Heck, the one year Manning did win it in 2006 was BY FAR his worst playoff performance (3 TD/7 INT).

Comparing overall success in the postseason:

Brady 56 TD/28 INT, 88.0% Passer Rating
Manning 40 TD/24 INT, 87.9% Passer Rating

Yet one has 4 superbowls. And the other has 1....
 
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I can't really see the argument for deflategate tainting last year's run.

Manning has never denied that his wife was mailed HGH, FWIW. And let's not forget manning has not always been a choir boy. He was accused of pretty nasty stuff at Tennessee.
 
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Let's not discount some of the weapons Brady has though. Gronk could be arguably the greatest TE to ever play the game.

Peyton has gotten grief over his head to head record vs Brady, but it is rarely broken down by road/home wins. The home QB has a 12-5 record in their 17 meetings. I believe the higher % of games have been in Foxborough
 
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Sobrenski said:
Let's not discount some of the weapons Brady has though. Gronk could be arguably the greatest TE to ever play the game.

Peyton has gotten grief over his head to head record vs Brady, but it is rarely broken down by road/home wins. The home QB has a 12-5 record in their 17 meetings. I believe the higher % of games have been in Foxborough
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A voice of reason. Thank you.

New England has had the better defense in most of those match ups also. The one year Bob Sanders had his career year, Indy's defense was really good. And of course Denver's D this year is super.
 
wcowherd said:
I can't really see the argument for deflategate tainting last year's run.

Manning has never denied that his wife was mailed HGH, FWIW. And let's not forget manning has not always been a choir boy. He was accused of pretty nasty stuff at Tennessee.
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Did it take away from the focus of their win? Well, he was referred to as a cheater again, but it wasn't the reason they won the whole thing. I just said it was tainted.

So because he hasn't denied that his wife was mailed HGH, then that points to guilt?

Ah yes, the college incident...he was a freshman or sophomore in college? But 'accused' of doing some nasty things, most of which he denied happened. But yes, mooning that trainer is similar to cheating.
 
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cBetter Defense.. This is by rank of total defense...
2002 Indy 8th New England 23rd
2003 New England 7th Indy 11th difference 123 yards
2004 New England 9th Indy 29th
2005 Indy 11th New England 26th
2006 New England 6th Indy 21st
2007 Indy 3rd New England 4th difference of 138 yards
2008 New England 10th Indy 11th
2009 New England 11th Indy 18th
2010 Indy 20th New England 25th
2011 Indy 25th New England 31st
2012 New England 25th Indy 26th
2013Denver 19th New England 25th
2014 Denver 3rd New England 13th
2015Denver 1st New England 9th

I didnt hand pick the start year 2002 is where it started. Since 2002 Peyton Manning has had statistically the better defense 8 times, Brady 6. For all the "Brady has had better defense" guys, check some stats once in a while.

Better regular season QB? More wins I agree with, better???

Peyton in 17 seasons has 539 TDs and 251 Ints. rating of 96.7
Brady in 14 seasons has 428 TDs and 150 Ints. rating of 96.4

Brady has actually been in the league 16 and Manning 18. Brady didnt play rookie year and both missed one full season. Im guessing Brady has a good shot if this is Mannings last year to catch him in TDs as he averages close to 30 a year. Better even is the fact he will be nowhere close to Mannings Int, no where close. Considering one has played his entire career in home games (atleast half theyve played) outdoors in a very cold and windy environment and another has stats from over half his in a controlled Dome environment I think their passing comparison as being as close as they are is very skewed. With that I feel the same about Favre. Had he with that gun played in a Dome there is no telling what kind of numbersTD-INT he would have had.. They are both GREAT and will always be considered as two of the best, I just personally feel Brady who is considered a "bad guy" I guess because hes a winner and married to a model and takes pay cuts to improve his recieving corps around him which never happened (outside threats), I just think hes proven by BIG WINS and STATS to be be better. Also he catches alot of flack for whining b*tching when he get sacked I watched for that specifically yesterday, the dude got pummeled continous never went off once......And should have he was getting stroked.
TOP NFL DEFENSE is what I looked up for stats.....
 
wc3peat said:
cBetter Defense.. This is by rank of total defense...
2002 Indy 8th New England 23rd
2003 New England 7th Indy 11th difference 123 yards
2004 New England 9th Indy 29th
2005 Indy 11th New England 26th
2006 New England 6th Indy 21st
2007 Indy 3rd New England 4th difference of 138 yards
2008 New England 10th Indy 11th
2009 New England 11th Indy 18th
2010 Indy 20th New England 25th
2011 Indy 25th New England 31st
2012 New England 25th Indy 26th
2013Denver 19th New England 25th
2014 Denver 3rd New England 13th
2015Denver 1st New England 9th

I didnt hand pick the start year 2002 is where it started. Since 2002 Peyton Manning has had statistically the better defense 8 times, Brady 6. For all the "Brady has had better defense" guys, check some stats once in a while.

Better regular season QB? More wins I agree with, better???

Peyton in 17 seasons has 539 TDs and 251 Ints. rating of 96.7
Brady in 14 seasons has 428 TDs and 150 Ints. rating of 96.4

Brady has actually been in the league 16 and Manning 18. Brady didnt play rookie year and both missed one full season. Im guessing Brady has a good shot if this is Mannings last year to catch him in TDs as he averages close to 30 a year. Better even is the fact he will be nowhere close to Mannings Int, no where close. Considering one has played his entire career in home games (atleast half theyve played) outdoors in a very cold and windy environment and another has stats from over half his in a controlled Dome environment I think their passing comparison as being as close as they are is very skewed. With that I feel the same about Favre. Had he with that gun played in a Dome there is no telling what kind of numbersTD-INT he would have had.. They are both GREAT and will always be considered as two of the best, I just personally feel Brady who is considered a "bad guy" I guess because hes a winner and married to a model and takes pay cuts to improve his recieving corps around him which never happened (outside threats), I just think hes proven by BIG WINS and STATS to be be better. Also he catches alot of flack for whining b*tching when he get sacked I watched for that specifically yesterday, the dude got pummeled continous never went off once......And should have he was getting stroked.
TOP NFL DEFENSE is what I looked up for stats.....
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As usual You cherry picked stats to favor your agenda. What is total defense? Yards?

You forgot one "good guy" stat on how many women Mr. America knocked up during his career.
 
PlayerTwo said:
Did it take away from the focus of their win? Well, he was referred to as a cheater again, but it wasn't the reason they won the whole thing. I just said it was tainted.

So because he hasn't denied that his wife was mailed HGH, then that points to guilt?

Ah yes, the college incident...he was a freshman or sophomore in college? But 'accused' of doing some nasty things, most of which he denied happened. But yes, mooning that trainer is similar to cheating.
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Did it to easily distracted people? Maybe. I tend not to get distracted by issues that obviously don't matter.

It certainly makes you question why he denies everything but that.

That's not all of what he was accused of in college, and certainly not all he was accused of by the trainer. He also settled with that trainer for an undisclosed amount of money with the woman and has never denied that something happened. He refuses to give specifics. Probably a clause of the settlement.

I just find it amusing that Manning has this sterling reputation when people clearly don't know or don't know fully his past transgressions.
 
Duck_walk said:
As usual You cherry picked stats to favor your agenda. What is total defense? Yards?

You forgot one "good guy" stat on how many women Mr. America knocked up during his career.
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What did I cherry pick? Please tell me. I looked up NFL BEST DEFENSE I believe its an ESPN site just freakin google it. Cherry picked? LOL. DENVER IS THE #1 DEFENSE THIS YEAR IS THAT CHERRY PICKED? Is yards against not what total defense is? Are you really that damn dumb you dont know? What do you think EVERY #1 BASED DEFENSE IS BASED OFF EVERY YEAR WHEN THEY SAY____ HAS THE #1 DEFENSE? Dont start an argument if you have no idea what your talking about. I cannot believe your that dumb or like to argue that much that you go into every post acting like your the smart guy yet know nothing. What do you think the Broncos are called the #1 DEFENSE for, points allowed, the CHIEFS and Cincinnati gave up less. DENVER WAS 19TH in takeaways, CHIEFS second. Its always been based off of TOTAL YARDS AGAINST. What a ______fill in the blank youself Im sure that will be amazing. If I posted Indy and Denver gave up less points and had more sacks every year youd come back with "yeah but New England gave up less yards". Twit...
 
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Sobrenski said:
I'm sorry, I know this is not right, but I can't help but smile when reading this. This is really what you are freaking out about? Something about visualizing the sheriff doing this!
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Am I freaking out?

Yeah, my first reaction when reading about a man sitting naked on a woman's face without her consent is not laughter. But hey, you do you.

"It was the gluteus maximus, the rectum, the testicles and the area in between the testicles. And all that was on my face when I pushed him up. … To get leverage, I took my head out to push him up and off.”

Hilarious stuff.
 
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wcowherd said:
Did it to easily distracted people? Maybe. I tend not to get distracted by issues that obviously don't matter.

It certainly makes you question why he denies everything but that.

That's not all of what he was accused of in college, and certainly not all he was accused of by the trainer. He also settled with that trainer for an undisclosed amount of money with the woman and has never denied that something happened. He refuses to give specifics. Probably a clause of the settlement.

I just find it amusing that Manning has this sterling reputation when people clearly don't know or don't know fully his past transgressions.
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Purposefully trying to gain an edge in a competitive sport "obviously doesn't matter". How do you feel about spygate then? Look....I don't find deflategate a big deal. Im simply saying that Brady has been surrounded by controversy for most of his career.

And yes, I know exactly what he was accused of, and yes there was a settlement. Manning also broke the clause of that settlement by speaking publicly about the incident which required another settlement. Wikipedia does wonders....

I don't think he denies something happened....but he has said that the trainer basically exaggerated. And many people that follow football with any kind of passion knows about this transgression. But it also occurred 2 decades ago....not saying it makes it right, but yeah I think Ill look at how Manning has been a great role model and ambassador for the game since becoming a professional as opposed to a 20 year old kid.
 
Lets look at another defensive statistic then that I find even more important. And that actually leads to wins/losses....POINTS

RANK by scoring defense

01: Manning 31/Brady 6 (Superbowl win)
02: Manning 7/ Brady 17
03: Manning 19/Brady 1 (Superbowl win)
04: Manning 19/Brady 2 (Superbowl win)
05: Manning 2/Brady 17
06: Manning 18/Brady 2 (Superbowl win)
07: Manning 2/Brady 1
08: Manning 7/Brady 8
09: Manning 7/Brady 6
10: Manning 23/Brady 8
11: Manning 28/Brady 11
12: Manning 4/Brady 11
13: Manning 18/Brady 10
14: Manning 17/Brady 7 (Superbowl win)
15: Manning 4/Brady 8
AVG Rank: Manning 14th/Brady 8th

Brady has had a better scoring defense than Manning 10/15 years. Including the #6,1,2,7 ranked defenses in each of his Super Bowl winning seasons (Manning won it with the 18th). Over the course of the last 15 years Brady's defense has been significantly better in scoring defense

Also, if you take the ranks of 3peats numbers and average those over the 14 seasons. Manning's defenses average rank was roughly 15th in total yards while Bradys defenses ranked 16th.
 
PlayerTwo said:
Purposefully trying to gain an edge in a competitive sport "obviously doesn't matter". How do you feel about spygate then? Look....I don't find deflategate a big deal. Im simply saying that Brady has been surrounded by controversy for most of his career.

And yes, I know exactly what he was accused of, and yes there was a settlement. Manning also broke the clause of that settlement by speaking publicly about the incident which required another settlement. Wikipedia does wonders....

I don't think he denies something happened....but he has said that the trainer basically exaggerated. And many people that follow football with any kind of passion knows about this transgression. But it also occurred 2 decades ago....not saying it makes it right, but yeah I think Ill look at how Manning has been a great role model and ambassador for the game since becoming a professional as opposed to a 20 year old kid.
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The ideal gas law perfectly explains deflategate, so yes, it's a manufacturered controversy. There's never been any proof Brady was involved in either "controversy."

Did you sexually assaulted someone when you were 20 years old? 99% of 20 year olds have the decency to know better. I don't think it's a valid excuse to say he was young and naive.

You can believe what manning says, or you can believe the track athlete and the trainer and the evidence she had against him and the fact that he settled with her. It's not a he said/she said thing.

Again, just amusing to hear people downplay or ignore Peyton's past and think he's an amazing guy when he's clearly not always been that way, and people treat Brady like he's a criminal when he's never been in any criminal trouble.

But hey, Peyton is really funny on SNL. Must mean he's a good guy.
 
wcowherd said:
The ideal gas law perfectly explains deflategate, so yes, it's a manufacturered controversy. There's never been any proof Brady was involved in either "controversy."

Did you sexually assaulted someone when you were 20 years old? 99% of 20 year olds have the decency to know better. I don't think it's a valid excuse to say he was young and naive.

You can believe what manning says, or you can believe the track athlete and the trainer and the evidence she had against him and the fact that he settled with her. It's not a he said/she said thing.

Again, just amusing to hear people downplay or ignore Peyton's past and think he's an amazing guy when he's clearly not always been that way, and people treat Brady like he's a criminal when he's never been in any criminal trouble.

But hey, Peyton is really funny on SNL. Must mean he's a good guy.
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Insinuating that Peyton is some bad guy makes you officially the biggest douche bag on mosports. You are dumber than the politics board brainless minions.

On top of that, his wife was treated at the establishment in Indy and if she got HGH from them it's none of your or anyone else's business. Implying otherwise qualifies you for a job with the national inquirer.
 
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What did I cherry pick? Please tell me. I looked up NFL BEST DEFENSE I believe its an ESPN site just freakin google it. Cherry picked? LOL. DENVER IS THE #1 DEFENSE THIS YEAR IS THAT CHERRY PICKED? Is yards against not what total defense is? Are you really that damn dumb you dont know? What do you think EVERY #1 BASED DEFENSE IS BASED OFF EVERY YEAR WHEN THEY SAY____ HAS THE #1 DEFENSE? Dont start an argument if you have no idea what your talking about. I cannot believe your that dumb or like to argue that much that you go into every post acting like your the smart guy yet know nothing. What do you think the Broncos are called the #1 DEFENSE for, points allowed, the CHIEFS and Cincinnati gave up less. DENVER WAS 19TH in takeaways, CHIEFS second. Its always been based off of TOTAL YARDS AGAINST. What a ______fill in the blank youself Im sure that will be amazing. If I posted Indy and Denver gave up less points and had more sacks every year youd come back with "yeah but New England gave up less yards". Twit...
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I would say the goal of defense is to not let the other team score. Scoring would be a better way to measure a defense. Yards can be very deceiving. If your offense scores a ton and you are frequently ahead the other teams will be forced to go hurry up and rack up big yards throwing the ball. Scoring is more appropriate in my eyes. Why don't you ask the football guru Stephen A. Smith for his thoughts?
 
wcowherd said:
Am I freaking out?

Yeah, my first reaction when reading about a man sitting naked on a woman's face without her consent is not laughter. But hey, you do you.

"It was the gluteus maximus, the rectum, the testicles and the area in between the testicles. And all that was on my face when I pushed him up. … To get leverage, I took my head out to push him up and off.”

Hilarious stuff.
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Haha, I'm sure there is more to this story! For someone that consistently defends the weekly MU police blog, you sure do have your panties in a wad over this terrible, nasty incident.
 
Duck_walk said:
I would say the goal of defense is to not let the other team score. Scoring would be a better way to measure a defense. Yards can be very deceiving. If your offense scores a ton and you are frequently ahead the other teams will be forced to go hurry up and rack up big yards throwing the ball. Scoring is more appropriate in my eyes. Why don't you ask the football guru Stephen A. Smith for his thoughts?
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Just asking what makes your knowledge of the NFL any greater than Stephen A Smith? He's a professional sports analyst meaning to me the hours he puts into his trait are far superior than the hours you or I put into it. I like Players post and comparison of points against. I agree that's a big thing but as you say it made me wonder on the offense as well. In close games your competition can play tighter, take less chances. In blowouts teams have to go for broke and take chances. I think that's pretty agreeable. So I think to be fair scoring offense may be a reason for scoring defense to be greater. If you can just run the ball and win compared to if you have to chuck it all over giving up interceptions etc and giving up points to a defense. And just for, I think Stephen A Smith is one of the most racist people I've ever heard on radio along with RIP Stuart Scott. If a white guy talked about white guys getting screwed in sports as much as those guys did and do talk about "it's because he's black" they would be fired more than likely.
 
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Duck_walk said:
Insinuating that Peyton is some bad guy makes you officially the biggest douche bag on mosports. You are dumber than the politics board brainless minions.

On top of that, his wife was treated at the establishment in Indy and if she got HGH from them it's none of your or anyone else's business. Implying otherwise qualifies you for a job with the national inquirer.
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I don't know if Peyton is a bad or a good guy, do you? If so, I'd love to hear your personal experiences with him.

She was mailed HGH from a clinic. That's never been denied. I'm not making any speculation past that. What I am doing to pointing out the hypocrisy in suggesting that Brady is this amazing rule breaker while blinding believing in St. Peyton.
 
Sobrenski said:
Haha, I'm sure there is more to this story! For someone that consistently defends the weekly MU police blog, you sure do have your panties in a wad over this terrible, nasty incident.
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Maybe so. I can only judge based on the facts we know.

Who's defending what again?
 
wcowherd said:
The ideal gas law perfectly explains deflategate, so yes, it's a manufacturered controversy. There's never been any proof Brady was involved in either "controversy."

Did you sexually assaulted someone when you were 20 years old? 99% of 20 year olds have the decency to know better. I don't think it's a valid excuse to say he was young and naive.

You can believe what manning says, or you can believe the track athlete and the trainer and the evidence she had against him and the fact that he settled with her. It's not a he said/she said thing.

Again, just amusing to hear people downplay or ignore Peyton's past and think he's an amazing guy when he's clearly not always been that way, and people treat Brady like he's a criminal when he's never been in any criminal trouble.

But hey, Peyton is really funny on SNL. Must mean he's a good guy.
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The evidence presented perfectly explains deflategate. "Manufactured"....I don't think so. But to each his own. And after the findings of spygate they weren't to forced to vacate anything. Heck, Ohio State had to vacate an entire season for selling their own stuff. Thats

Im not saying I believe either one. I believe Manning admitted to the incident and that obviously something happened and thats why they settled. How far it went is between her and him. And like I said being young "it doesn't make it right"...Im saying what he has done for the game of professional football is what makes him great. I personally never referred to him as a saint, but I stand by the fact that he is one of the greatest role models in the game.
 
wc3peat said:
Just asking what makes your knowledge of the NFL any greater than Stephen A Smith? He's a professional sports analyst meaning to me the hours he puts into his trait are far superior than the hours you or I put into it. I like Players post and comparison of points against. I agree that's a big thing but as you say it made me wonder on the offense as well. In close games your competition can play tighter, take less chances. In blowouts teams have to go for broke and take chances. I think that's pretty agreeable. So I think to be fair scoring offense may be a reason for scoring defense to be greater. If you can just run the ball and win compared to if you have to chuck it all over giving up interceptions etc and giving up points to a defense. And just for, I think Stephen A Smith is one of the most racist people I've ever heard on radio along with RIP Stuart Scott. If a white guy talked about white guys getting screwed in sports as much as those guys did and do talk about "it's because he's black" they would be fired more than likely.
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As I was writing that, I figured that would be your argument. But you could make the same argument for total yards. If you're getting blown out and you are "going for broke and taking chances" then you are going to rack up more yards as you chuck the ball around.
 
wcowherd said:
I don't know if Peyton is a bad or a good guy, do you? If so, I'd love to hear your personal experiences with him.
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I don't know if Brady is a bad or a good guy, do you? If so, I'd love to hear your personal experiences with him.

See what I did there?
 
PlayerTwo said:
I don't know if Brady is a bad or a good guy, do you? If so, I'd love to hear your personal experiences with him.

See what I did there?
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Never heard of him kicking a dog screaming at little kids or old people, never heard of a DWI or drug possession never heard of him bagging anyone. See what I did there lol. What have you heard that I haven't? If you haven't heard of him doing bad why even consider it for no reason, make sense?
 
wc3peat said:
Never heard of him kicking a dog screaming at little kids or old people, never heard of a DWI or drug possession never heard of him bagging anyone. See what I did there lol. What have you heard that I haven't? If you haven't heard of him doing bad why even consider it for no reason, make sense?
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Ive never considered him a bad person. I said he has been surrounded by controversy in his professional life. Nothing to do with his personal life....

My point was that cowherd said that since we personally don't know Manning, then we can't possibly know if he's a good guy or bad. The same can be true of Brady.
 
wcowherd said:
That's exactly right.
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Hey! We agree on something!

That said...the fact that we havent really heard anything in the media about either of the 2 highest profile athletes in the NFL suggests they are probably both pretty decent guys. But I guess we'll never know for sure.
 
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PlayerTwo said:
Hey! We agree on something!

That said...the fact that we havent really heard anything in the media about either of the 2 highest profile athletes in the NFL suggests they are probably both pretty decent guys. But I guess we'll never know for sure.
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I guess if having a basketball teams worth of illegitimate children makes you a good guy, Brady is the greatest.
 
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