Is there any place to find team/individual stats for schools in SWMO? I have tried MaxPreps, but many teams are not posting player and team stats on the site. Any help would be appreciated.
Team Stats
- Thread starter Ladytigerdad09
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No. There are fewer and fewer teams uploading their stats to MaxPreps in the SWMO-area, for whatever reason. There isn't a platform in place outside of MaxPreps for SWMO-area coaches to use that is in the public domain, that I know of anyway. Nobody does it better than the St. Louis Post, you can find any stat for any sport for any school.
But here's the deal, even if someone tried to duplicate the Posts' platform in SWMO, I don't think many coaches would utilize it. You'd be shocked at how many coaches I've heard say publishing stats gives their opponent some sort of advantage and don't want them to be public, because they're scared someone might take that information and gain an advantage.
I generally try to be supportive of all coaches, it's a tough, often thankless job. But on this issue, I'm embarrassed for any coach that uses that excuse. I shouldn't have to explain why, but if anyone wants to debate the issue I'd love to hear the other side.
But here's the deal, even if someone tried to duplicate the Posts' platform in SWMO, I don't think many coaches would utilize it. You'd be shocked at how many coaches I've heard say publishing stats gives their opponent some sort of advantage and don't want them to be public, because they're scared someone might take that information and gain an advantage.
I generally try to be supportive of all coaches, it's a tough, often thankless job. But on this issue, I'm embarrassed for any coach that uses that excuse. I shouldn't have to explain why, but if anyone wants to debate the issue I'd love to hear the other side.
I'd like to hear why coaches need to post the stats.
Another side to this would be posting your team stats for all of the parents to sit around and figure out how the coach could play their kid more or figure out how to raise their kids' PPG above some other kid from another school.
As a coach, I would think having the opponents statistics, particularly FT%, 3pt% and 3PA would be pretty nice things to know....i'm sure a plethora of other stats too i'm just forgetting.
Another side to this would be posting your team stats for all of the parents to sit around and figure out how the coach could play their kid more or figure out how to raise their kids' PPG above some other kid from another school.
As a coach, I would think having the opponents statistics, particularly FT%, 3pt% and 3PA would be pretty nice things to know....i'm sure a plethora of other stats too i'm just forgetting.
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Excellent post MO, you nailed it perfectly. I will add this... The same coaches that refuse to make stats public are the same ones who are first to try and access information from those sites. Some conferences even have agreements not to share information or game tape to schools outside of their conference because they don't want others to have access. Then parents and fans want to why their player or school is not getting the recognition they deserve. Well your coach won't share information, so other than a record on MSHSAA (if they even update that) people know little about your program.
How in the world does posting stats get recognition? Parents and players like to see and hear their names, and parents want a platform to complain from. It's that simple. Different era. Twitter...Insta...Facebook...Periscope...Far more of the uses for those platforms is "hey, look at me", than for information.
Couldn't agree more. I'd never go into as the only information to use, but I'd also use it if available.
Boy, I don't know where to being on this topic.
I'm going to attempt to play nice, because I know a lot coaches use this forum (ones that I know and know me.)
However, I put 70% of the blame on this matter on LAZY coaches!! THE END! If the head coach's time is so precious, I see three to five other coaches on every single high school bench at every game I go to. Let the damn grad assistant send the stats to the News-Leader or the O-Zone or MaxPreps. What else do they have to do?!?!?!? NOTHING! (Except get T'd up during JV games like I saw at Hillcrest last night).
Yes, the News-Leader (and others) don't have people manning the phones like they did in the freakin' 1960's, but times change and you've got to change with them. The Springfield News-Leader is part of a large corporation that isn't doing so well these days and that has led to the elimination of certain jobs that I'm sure made it easier. I wish the family of the original News-Leader publisher wouldn't have sold out in the early-90's, the paper has never been the same since that time. Don't blame Scott Puryear or Joe Cress or Matt Schoch or Rance Burger. They did/can only what they're allowed to do. Actually, the coverage hasn't been the same since Marty Eddlemon and Anvil Welch stepped away many years ago. They used to have rebound and assist totals in the paper!!!!!!!! If Jack Roberts could get a box score after playing AT Joplin in the morning edition of the Leader and Press in 1965, I think the same thing can and SHOULD be done today. If you can't figure out how to upload the stats, once again, let a younger assistant do it. That's what they're for - DO BUSY WORK!
As far as not wanting other teams to see their stats, GIVE ME A BREAK! Are we becoming MORE conservative in this regard? Jack Roberts, Bobby Brown, Larry Atwell had no problem giving stats to the press back in the day or at least taking the time to do it. WHAT'S THE BIG PROBLEM NOW?!?!? That reason doesn't fly with me. I think that's just an excuse coaches use, because they don't want to take the TIME to send the stats in.
Bill Brown at Parkview used MaxPreps, until this year I think Kickapoo used that site as well.
As far as my sites go, this has been BY FAR the worst year ever for getting box scores or NOT getting them, I should say. I'm not going to send 100 emails bothering coaches about a box score that I should be able to get from the News-Leader or the O-Zone or elsewhere. Thankfully, the Glendale staff has sent a few to me when they've played out of town, but that's about it.
The media won't change (things are actually only going to get worse), so the coaches are the ones that need to change. Period!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If they'd just use MaxPreps (or some other venue) then people like me or parents or media members wouldn't bug them for a box score.
We also have smart phones these days, just take a damn picture of the box score pages and send them to the media. It doesn't take much effort!
Okay, I'm off my soap box for the moment.
I'm going to attempt to play nice, because I know a lot coaches use this forum (ones that I know and know me.)
However, I put 70% of the blame on this matter on LAZY coaches!! THE END! If the head coach's time is so precious, I see three to five other coaches on every single high school bench at every game I go to. Let the damn grad assistant send the stats to the News-Leader or the O-Zone or MaxPreps. What else do they have to do?!?!?!? NOTHING! (Except get T'd up during JV games like I saw at Hillcrest last night).
Yes, the News-Leader (and others) don't have people manning the phones like they did in the freakin' 1960's, but times change and you've got to change with them. The Springfield News-Leader is part of a large corporation that isn't doing so well these days and that has led to the elimination of certain jobs that I'm sure made it easier. I wish the family of the original News-Leader publisher wouldn't have sold out in the early-90's, the paper has never been the same since that time. Don't blame Scott Puryear or Joe Cress or Matt Schoch or Rance Burger. They did/can only what they're allowed to do. Actually, the coverage hasn't been the same since Marty Eddlemon and Anvil Welch stepped away many years ago. They used to have rebound and assist totals in the paper!!!!!!!! If Jack Roberts could get a box score after playing AT Joplin in the morning edition of the Leader and Press in 1965, I think the same thing can and SHOULD be done today. If you can't figure out how to upload the stats, once again, let a younger assistant do it. That's what they're for - DO BUSY WORK!
As far as not wanting other teams to see their stats, GIVE ME A BREAK! Are we becoming MORE conservative in this regard? Jack Roberts, Bobby Brown, Larry Atwell had no problem giving stats to the press back in the day or at least taking the time to do it. WHAT'S THE BIG PROBLEM NOW?!?!? That reason doesn't fly with me. I think that's just an excuse coaches use, because they don't want to take the TIME to send the stats in.
Bill Brown at Parkview used MaxPreps, until this year I think Kickapoo used that site as well.
As far as my sites go, this has been BY FAR the worst year ever for getting box scores or NOT getting them, I should say. I'm not going to send 100 emails bothering coaches about a box score that I should be able to get from the News-Leader or the O-Zone or elsewhere. Thankfully, the Glendale staff has sent a few to me when they've played out of town, but that's about it.
The media won't change (things are actually only going to get worse), so the coaches are the ones that need to change. Period!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If they'd just use MaxPreps (or some other venue) then people like me or parents or media members wouldn't bug them for a box score.
We also have smart phones these days, just take a damn picture of the box score pages and send them to the media. It doesn't take much effort!
Okay, I'm off my soap box for the moment.
I personally wasn't referring to sending in scores to the media...I was referring to having your stats permanently posted online for anyone to peruse. Big difference.
Not really. Where else would the stats be posted but on media sites? Yes, I consider MaxPreps to be semi-media.
MSHSAA should be doing a lot more. OSSAA even has state rakings: http://www.ossaarankings.com/?sel=rankings&spGK=BasketballBoys&sp=Basketball&g=Boys &y=16
and we all know about the great historical info on the Illinois state site. Missouri is so far behind other states in the area, it's not even funny. At least the MBCA has rankings, just like Kansas. I'll take credit for shaming certain people into starting that a few years ago. Not even the media will do rankings in this state anymore. I've heard they're going to drop the all-state teams too.
I'm differentiating between posting a score to the paper or TV or radio and posting overall team stats. The original poster seemed to be after cumulative stats, at least the impression I got.
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Coaches should post team and individual stats on Maxpreps.
If they don't, they are lazy, Period
Give the kids some exposure, create competition, reward improvement and cultivate team pride.
If they don't, they are lazy, Period
Give the kids some exposure, create competition, reward improvement and cultivate team pride.
Looks like someone needs to see more games. If you think MOST schools have four coaches in addition to their head coach, you are crazy. Perhaps a FEW large schools have that many and even most of them don't have grad assistants (this is not college). I agree that coaches should make an attempt to get scores to media but as far as going onto sites and punching in stats, if they have time, great, but to act like they must do it is totally crazy. Most of them teach full time in addition to their coaching duties. And to say its laziness is just not right. Perhaps its laziness or entitlement of fans and folks like you that think they should be able to just log onto a site and get all the stats from teams in one spot. While I am not a coach, I have worked for years with most in the area and to ever insinuate they are lazy is total crap.
A large number of schools are keeping stats or scoring on ipads or tablets these days, some use hudl when watching game film and those stats our instantly uploaded. There are two main reasons why it's not getting done. Lazy or their trying somehow to justify not doing but using the competitive advantage card. It's not just stats, I'm amazed at how many schools don't even update their MSHSAA site with current schedules and update scores. Takes all of 30 sec to login an update scores but yet its not getting done.
Still waiting to hear why coaches NEED to post their cumulative stats for everyone to see. I guess with all the free time, they could probably get a local sportscenter going for all of the fans, kids, and parents.
If kids want to see their stats...they could always ask their coach. hmm.
I would like to know how many of the people who say they should be posted actually coach or have coached at a highly competitive level.
sometimes stats only make team chemistry worse too.
If kids want to see their stats...they could always ask their coach. hmm.
I would like to know how many of the people who say they should be posted actually coach or have coached at a highly competitive level.
sometimes stats only make team chemistry worse too.
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17 makes a good point about the chemistry on stats. Kids want to do nothing but score, at least what I've witnessed. Score, score, score, what's hard is getting kids to understand that the better defense you play the more opportunitie you get to score.... IQ but I'm off subject. My apologies, stats are nice to see but kids need to understand that if their team struggles in turnover ratio then maybe they should go out there and try to cut those down. If the team stats say we're rebounding badly, try for a couple more rebounds. Rather than trying to score 50 points when you average 5, try playing your role and helping the team rather than filling up one stat line.
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That was exactly my point about creating competition. Our teams stats were on maxpreps and the players followed them. All the stats were regarded as important, and the players responded. Scoring is just one of them. We had players putting special effort to improve rebounding, steals and assist. The whole team bought in, when you have players competing with the total game in mind, they excel. If stats are not made available, THAT is when scoring only matters. It also takes less time for the coach to enter stats online than having every athlete come to the coaches office asking. Just my .02 It works good for our team
You can do those things by showing them/printing off all of the updated stats without the whole community/world seeing them.
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That is true.
I guess if you are ashamed of the stats, players, win-loss record, or overall program.......don't do it.
Problem solved.
I have been coaching for over 20 years and yes at the HS level. I found that keeping updated stats for everyone to see helps eliminates questions about lineups, playing time, JV vs V time. For me when I see a another coach being so secretive about stats I question how accurate they are when they submit for post season awards.
My main contention again was that I would love to have every other team's exhaustive stats as a scouting tool, and I know it also makes for good fodder for parents with a bone to pick.
If I was coaching, internal competition is good (totally agree with you) but I also don't want them to be so stat conscious as to forget the real goal...wins.
If I was coaching, internal competition is good (totally agree with you) but I also don't want them to be so stat conscious as to forget the real goal...wins.
Do you honestly believe that's the reason coaches don't publicize them?
If the players know, and you're using them to improve play, perfect. Anything else is fodder for fans and parents. For the record, I'm talking about things outside of what you see in the scorebook or simple box score. Makes (not attempts), FT makes/misses, total points. Anything beyond that, to expect coaches to do it and publicize it is garbage.
Define everyone. Like Hudl for share with other coaches...or streaming for the purposes of the public seeing games? Interesting question, for sure.
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As I stated before, the reason I believe they don't is laziness. But some disagree with that, so maybe they just don't care to give the kids some credit for a job well done.
Why keep stats a secret? Any coach worth his salt will have game film, opposing player stats and a game plan before they take on their next opponent, so why not put it out there for all to see?
Not a big deal to me, our coach's have done it for years, and it has helped the kids improve in area's they needed to. Also lets family, friends and fans be more interested in the overall success of the program.
If you have Hudl and want players to review film on their time, you have to give them access. Then parents simply log in under Johnny's email to watch themselves. Is that considered "public", cause this is for player consumption, but that's the way it works.
Lots of problems can come into play there...parents pick apart other players while "reviewing" the film with Johnny instead of just trying to sit back and enjoy their child's play. Whoever filmed the game may make comments during that are critical of Johnny when he doesn't block out or airballs a free throw. Then that is the problem, not Johnny's performance. So Hudl is great but if you're gonna share with players, it might as well be considered public and you will probably have to deal with all that comes with that.
Meant more from a HS Cube or public viewing/streaming platform. Basically meaning, an opposing coach (or anyone for that matter) can watch it. Most sites archive for a period of time as well, so it's there to watch and rewatch. I think that would be really neat for friends/family that can't make games for whatever reason to be able to see the games. I've seen a few, and they're pretty neat. Broadcasters and all.
To the idiots that call coaches lazy. There are some no doubt, but there are reasons to not post stats online. As a coach I have always prided myself on doing my own stats and not taking a mangers word on them. Stats take time at least an hour and a half to watch, pause mark it down, rewatch a play and start again for the entire game. So after you worked all day, then coached a game, ride a bus for an hour, drive home after the kids are gone and picked up, break down film at home and then maybe throw in a few minutes with the kids before they go to bed if you get that time at all, then maybe dinner(Ramen Noodles) 
??? Oh and then make my practice plan before bed so it's ready to go the next day. On tournament weeks you do this 3 nights a week and typically you stay and watch other teams to scout. Then you need to hurry and get the stats online for little Johnny's parents to read. LMAO!!!! Every time my kids walk into film session they are handed stats from the previous game. I love getting on max preps and being able to see who to cover up and who you can let shoot, who to foul at the end of games and who crashes the boards so you can make an emphasis on boxing them out.
By the way- ITS FUNNY WHEN THERE IS A DOWN YEAR OR REBUILDING TIME AND NO ONE CARES ABOUT STATS. Keep feeding the me over we generation.
??? Oh and then make my practice plan before bed so it's ready to go the next day. On tournament weeks you do this 3 nights a week and typically you stay and watch other teams to scout. Then you need to hurry and get the stats online for little Johnny's parents to read. LMAO!!!! Every time my kids walk into film session they are handed stats from the previous game. I love getting on max preps and being able to see who to cover up and who you can let shoot, who to foul at the end of games and who crashes the boards so you can make an emphasis on boxing them out. By the way- ITS FUNNY WHEN THERE IS A DOWN YEAR OR REBUILDING TIME AND NO ONE CARES ABOUT STATS. Keep feeding the me over we generation.
I just mean, if coaches are to publish all of their stats, might as well just put all their games on Youtube as well for everyone, too lazy for that though.
like this: http://tinyurl.com/j6m3ngs
like this: http://tinyurl.com/j6m3ngs
Avg. coaches salary $5000 some schools more some schools less. I made $3500 a year ago.
Now some math:
-From Nov-March 77 practices not counting sat or Sunday's or the 26 days you have games. 2.5 hr avg. 192 hours
-8 home games 4 hr avg. 32 hours
-17 away games 5 hr avg. 85 hours
-26 games stats 1.5 hrs avg. 39 hours
- scouting for season 20 hours
Making a practice plan 20 min for 77 practices would be 26 hours.
-25 contact days in the summer let's say just weights and open gym no leagues, shootouts or anything like that. 3 hr avg 75 hours
We will leave it at that if a coach does that the very lower end in my book and doesn't have Sunday night open gyms the total runs to 449 hours. Which brings your pay to $11.13 an hour. No submit stats to every media outlet in the state, go watch youth teams play, have youth clinics, due have Sunday open gyms actually spend time scouting go to leagues and shootouts in the summer and the hours pile on. Not to mention deal with every terrible parent of board members kid that is being mistreated. How about the coach who does the minimum at a small $3500 and works for 449 hours $7.80 an hour. THESE DANG LAZY COACHES WISH THEY WOULD DEDICATE A LITTLE MORE TIME FOR THAT HIGH PAYING SALARY.
But if it was for the dollars a lot of us would be at different jobs. Most of us love the kids, love the game and love the parents who think their opinions matter. Rant over. Happy Thursday.
Now some math:
-From Nov-March 77 practices not counting sat or Sunday's or the 26 days you have games. 2.5 hr avg. 192 hours
-8 home games 4 hr avg. 32 hours
-17 away games 5 hr avg. 85 hours
-26 games stats 1.5 hrs avg. 39 hours
- scouting for season 20 hours
Making a practice plan 20 min for 77 practices would be 26 hours.
-25 contact days in the summer let's say just weights and open gym no leagues, shootouts or anything like that. 3 hr avg 75 hours
We will leave it at that if a coach does that the very lower end in my book and doesn't have Sunday night open gyms the total runs to 449 hours. Which brings your pay to $11.13 an hour. No submit stats to every media outlet in the state, go watch youth teams play, have youth clinics, due have Sunday open gyms actually spend time scouting go to leagues and shootouts in the summer and the hours pile on. Not to mention deal with every terrible parent of board members kid that is being mistreated. How about the coach who does the minimum at a small $3500 and works for 449 hours $7.80 an hour. THESE DANG LAZY COACHES WISH THEY WOULD DEDICATE A LITTLE MORE TIME FOR THAT HIGH PAYING SALARY.
But if it was for the dollars a lot of us would be at different jobs. Most of us love the kids, love the game and love the parents who think their opinions matter. Rant over. Happy Thursday.
All they need to do is go to one of your games and see who takes 3s, who doesn't, etc. to know that stuff. Not like you are really hiding anything.
the type of parent who is going to complain doesn't need online stats to complain.
Stats will give you a cumulative picture though, not just whether they had a crazy game or really bad game.
With AAU, the refs, other coaches, etc...any halfway decent coach knows that, and the sample size on these stats is small enough until you get late in the season that it's just as interesting to know who is allowed to shoot than how they are shooting. If you have a kid who can hit 38% of their 3s, everyone you play is going to know that, because it's not like people are keeping secrets.
People know who your good shooters are. They know who is playing 20 mins+ for you. Etc.
It's not the good shooters that get you most games. Great players get their 20pts. It is the 2 kids who avg. 6 pts a game but shoot 30% from 3 and you help off of them and they make you pay. Cumulative says who to leave and double with and who to stay home on.
There are several good reasons for not making stats public.
A) It takes time to upload them. Not every coach has time to do it.
B) Many are compiling stats of their games via film and they might be incomplete for various reasons.
C) They might not want to invest their time to help a private company like MaxPreps make money.
I'm not going to call coaches who don't make their stats public lazy. That's not right. I'm sure there are a lot of coaches who know me who think I'm lazy. Just like I don't see first hand the time they put into their craft, they probably don't see the time I put into mine. I'll get to that in a moment. However, I do think, like Glendale says, if it was important to them, they could probably figure it out.
I never said coaches "need" to make their stats public. I stated that I think many fans, parents, players, etc. would be surprised to know how many coaches don't upload them because they think it gives an opponent an advantage, and refuse to do so for that reason. Part of the reason no one has come forward to create a platform in SWMO like the STL Post has, is because people like myself who might be making that investment and undertaking the financial risk to create it, are aware how few coaches in this area would actually utilize it.
I stand by that assertion, as well as my belief that it's a bad reason to not make them public. I work with way too many coaches who I consider good friends, so I don't want to get carried away with my thoughts about why that is a bad excuse. I think it's obvious.
However, it's probably worth pointing out that coaches at every other level of basketball deal with stats being made public, and every other level of basketball actually invests money in compiling stats and then releasing them to the media. I will point out that I have never, ever, not once, not ever, heard a coach at any other level say that an opponent knowing their stats gave their opponent an advantage. Only in high school is that something that even exists.
Think about that for a minute: Drury, CofO, Evangel, St. Louis, SEMO, Columbia College all hire SIDs, who are responsible for keeping stats, then submitting them to both the league office, publishing them on their own website, and sending them to local media.
Now you have to ask yourself why schools would be investing tens of thousands of dollars in that kind of enterprise if it had no value. Of course it has value.
I think partially what is missing is insight into the other side of the equation. We all see how stats might affect a coaches relationship with parents, players, rival coaches, etc. But I'm not sure people see how the media uses the stats that are available. So I'll give some insight into the other side.
I have been in the newspaper business for 12 years, and about eight years ago I witnessed several people I work with actually work all the way until the day they died. I decided that was not for me, and I decided to do something about it. I began hustling, taking advantage of every opportunity that came my way. I started my own business, then started another.
I own two business and work two full-time jobs and one part time job. I have so much going on that I employ one person full-time and several kids part time to help me with it all. Hustling is the only way anyone is ever going to get ahead in this field.
And I don't say that as someone who cares about money. I say that as someone who wants to be able to afford to step away from it all and enjoy life at age 70.
There are a lot of people in my profession who are lazy, just like any other business. Am I one of them? I guess it depends on how you want to look at it.
Part of the problem is that when a coach uploads their stats to a public venue, they don't see any how that might affect people on the other side. So I'm going to explain how I use them.
I don't "need" to write a feature story about any particular kid or team. I do it because I genuinely want to promote kids and teams, etc. I can tell you, that, to me my time is valuable. So lets, say, for example, we come up with a storyline to write about the top freshmen in SWMO and I am choosing who to write a story about, and I narrow my list of possible kids to Dylan Caruso at Mansfield, and another talented freshman in SWMO. You know who I am going to write a story about? Dylan Caruso. Terry Writer has taken the time to make my job easier. I can write about how Caruso has X number of double-doubles, or that he had a season-high points against x, or season-high rebounds against X, etc., etc. All of that information is easily available. I can go through all his games and pick out the highlights and create a story line based, in part, on those highlights.
Now, does that make me lazy? Maybe. But I don't have to be writing any story at all.
So, to give you the nuts and bolts about how this works, writing such a story is very time consuming. I have to do interviews, transcribe them, watch the kid play a couple of times, formulate a story line, put it all into something that sounds worthwhile. Then find a picture, work it, and put it up online, and then promote it.
It is very difficult to write a story about a high school kid without some sort of measure to back up your assertions. I could say Joe is a great 3-point shooter. I can quote Joe's coach asserting such. But without context, those assertions have little, or no value. What does have value is describing how Joe made six 3's against Phillipsburg, or that Joe is shooting 40 percent from 3. Or that Joe has made 67 3-pointers this season after making 50 last year.
A coach may or may not provide me with season stats were I to ask for them, but it would be impossible for them to provide me with the details that are on MaxPreps or the STL website, which can be used to quickly create context and a positive storyline.
Now is that "necessary," or do coaches "need" to do that to help me promote their kids and their program. No. Absolutely not. But you can bet your rear that I am going to go out of my way to promote programs that care enough to make my job easy. Just the reality of the situation.
The other point to be made here is, the more stats that are available, the more story lines there are to pursue. When the News-Leader published its area leaders several years ago, there were all kinds of stories being written about the kids who were leading the area in scoring, or rebounding, etc. Many of those kids would have never received any recognition were it not for their place among the leaders.
Just think, some kid is leading SWMO in rebounding, or scoring, and guess what: no one will ever write that story, because, nobody has a way of knowing such a thing. Last year, I thought to myself, you know, maybe nobody knows who is leading the area in scoring, but maybe I could narrow it down and collect all the stats from the Ozark Conference at the end of the season and compile season leaders in each category, and there would be a lot of neat story lines there.
I could/would have written about who led the league in rebounding, assists, free throw percentage, scoring, etc. Would have been neat to have the top 10 in each category and then promote stories based on that.
And I actually tried to get all that put together. Only one problem. Not all the coaches were willing to send me their stats. In fact, two coaches in the league DIDN'T EVEN RESPOND to my requests. Nothing. So, I'll never try that again. Not ever. Why waste my time when I could be doing something else that actually pays the bills?
And that is why colleges invest money in compilling and promoting stats. Yes, it creates accountability and all that stuff, but it also creates context, stoylines and compelling narratives for the media. Somebody is the all-time leading scorer at Drury, someone is closing in on an assist record, someone is leading that league in scoring.
All of those story lines promote the school and their players and their league, and that is why, Scott Puryear and his staff are at every game, compilling stats and why the school is investing money in it.
I guess it's up to each coach and school to decided if that's something they "need" to do or not and whether or not it outweighs whatever negatives they feel are associated with it. It's not for me to say.
I don't need rebounds, assists, etc. I'd like to have them, but I don't really need those stats. All I want is a freakin' box score! If something that simple can't be sent out to the media, I can only view that as laziness. To the coach who ranted about "time," I just took two pics of the 14-15 Glendale scorebook and emailed the pics to myself in about 25 seconds. Please don't give me a bunch of business about time. I (and others) aren't asking for rebounds off a miss in the first quarter, etc. Just the quarter-by-quarter scoring and the individual player point totals. They had detailed stats in newspapers decades ago when you know it was FAR MORE time consuming to do such things. I don't want to hear about time!!!!!!!
Most teams are winning or losing by their best players.
Cumulative doesn't tell you anything more in the case you are saying - all you need to know is that #21 is the 3rd banana who is allowed to jack a 3 up when open.
The News-Leader website used to have 20-50 games listed with full box scores for each segmented week, this year it's down to nothing (December literally had ZERO results.) This present week has been more active (link below). Now, are coaches not sending in the scores or has the News-Leader website changed and people have just stopped using it?
http://usatodayhss.com/market/springfield-mo/gender/boys/level/1/sport/5/date/28-1-2016/#scores
It should also be noted that on the main News-Leader high school site, the banner menu still has the FALL sports listed instead of the winter sports. I'm sure that isn't helping matters for people trying to find information.
http://usatodayhss.com/market/springfield-mo/
http://usatodayhss.com/market/springfield-mo/gender/boys/level/1/sport/5/date/28-1-2016/#scores
It should also be noted that on the main News-Leader high school site, the banner menu still has the FALL sports listed instead of the winter sports. I'm sure that isn't helping matters for people trying to find information.
http://usatodayhss.com/market/springfield-mo/
With the state of the newspaper industry, you have to also ask if that was cut back by the paper.
