Target going solar

[3Rfan]

I saw this story yesterday. Target is installing solar panels in their parking lots to power their stores. The picture showed a parking lot covered with solar panels built over rows of parking spaces. Pretty cool, it also puts your car under a carport while you shop.

 

[MGHS]

Suppose to be a net zero store now. If it is truly feasible and net zero this will take off. If this becomes a one off then we will have our answer.

 

[cardsrock15]

I saw this story yesterday. Target is installing solar panels in their parking lots to power their stores. The picture showed a parking lot covered with solar panels built over rows of parking spaces. Pretty cool, it also puts your car under a carport while you shop.

SO they are closing in the afternoon and the sun goes down???

 

[r14veer]

SO they are closing in the afternoon and the sun goes down???

Dude. Come on, man. I have to ask, once again: Is this a real question?

 

[Toots_mcgee]

Dude. Come on, man. I have to ask, once again: Is this a real question?

He is from the Trump “we can’t watch TV because the wind isn’t blowing” party.

 

[MGHS]

Dude. Come on, man. I have to ask, once again: Is this a real question?

I think it obvious he is being sarcastic although I will admit Sarcastic post are hit and miss in their delivery on message boards.

I would be curious on how this actually is going to work? Are they going to generate a lot of power during the day and have a over production and sell that to the local Utilities and then come nightfall they will switch over to a local power source but still be net zero because of the daily production...or will the have a huge Bank of Battery's to store that power to use when the sun it's so bright?

Lot that article didn't explain... I always skeptical about these so-called green energy's. I've been reading how easy it was to obtain Green Free energy since the 80's and how Big Energy has supposedly been holding it all back and I once was a true believer....but once you actually start getting past the Journalistic propaganda a lot of this stuff doesn't stand up to scrutiny as being real world workable.

Again the proof will be in the pudding if they start doing this nation wide then it will be a profitable process....if this is the only one built it will just be a big failure of a science project.

 

[r14veer]

I think it obvious he is being sarcastic although I will admit Sarcastic post are hit and miss in their delivery on message boards.

I would be curious on how this actually is going to work? Are they going to generate a lot of power during the day and have a over production and sell that to the local Utilities and then come nightfall they will switch over to a local power source but still be net zero because of the daily production...or will the have a huge Bank of Battery's to store that power to use when the sun it's so bright?

Lot that article didn't explain... I always skeptical about these so-called green energy's. I've been reading how easy it was to obtain Green Free energy since the 80's and how Big Energy has supposedly been holding it all back and I once was a true believer....but once you actually start getting past the Journalistic propaganda a lot of this stuff doesn't stand up to scrutiny as being real world workable.

Again the proof will be in the pudding if they start doing this nation wide then it will be a profitable process....if this is the only one built it will just be a big failure of a science project.

I didn't assume sarcasm immediately because bad-faith argument seems to be the hallmark of a message board.

I don't know how much I am fully on board with solar panels as the planet's savior, though.

 

[3Rfan]

I think it obvious he is being sarcastic although I will admit Sarcastic post are hit and miss in their delivery on message boards.

I would be curious on how this actually is going to work? Are they going to generate a lot of power during the day and have a over production and sell that to the local Utilities and then come nightfall they will switch over to a local power source but still be net zero because of the daily production...or will the have a huge Bank of Battery's to store that power to use when the sun it's so bright?

Lot that article didn't explain... I always skeptical about these so-called green energy's. I've been reading how easy it was to obtain Green Free energy since the 80's and how Big Energy has supposedly been holding it all back and I once was a true believer....but once you actually start getting past the Journalistic propaganda a lot of this stuff doesn't stand up to scrutiny as being real world workable.

Again the proof will be in the pudding if they start doing this nation wide then it will be a profitable process....if this is the only one built it will just be a big failure of a science project.

I assume they plan to do it company wide, not just one store since they said say they plan to be covered by 2030. Hoe it works out for them but I have no idea. I do know they been closing stores all over the place, the closest one to P.B. was in Cape it was shut down.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

I assume they plan to do it company wide, not just one store since they said say they plan to be covered by 2030. Hoe it works out for them but I have no idea. I do know they been closing stores all over the place, the closest one to P.B. was in Cape it was shut down.

People buy everything online now. Covid and trump's shutdowns did that for us.

I hope more companies go to solar so battery prices come down before we put solar on our retirement place.

 

[MGHS]

More than likely battery prices will skyrocket. The demand will go up and so will the price.

 

[bullitpdq68]

I saw a presentation on solar for schools and bussiness, Which is great you are actually using solar during the peak most of the time. The only issue I saw was the price tag. But I have to admit it looks very interesting.

 

[cardsrock15]

Dude. Come on, man. I have to ask, once again: Is this a real question?

yep...I live off grid with solar every day and understand what can and cant be done. They would have to have a battery bank half as big as the store to run industrial air conditioners and lights when it was dark or cloudy. I guarantee you they are still plugged into the grid and pulling power from it when they cant generate enough to meet their needs. And California is changing rate structures to try to force people to shift power usage from peak 4pm-10pm hours (just when everyone is plugging in their new electric cars to charge)

During the summer when usage is high California buys a LOT of power from neighboring states that is generated with good old coal and they still have rolling brownouts

 

[Arcola]

How many watts to power a Target? I bet more than a parking lot worth of panels. I thought an average home needed 12-18 panels depending on region to hit 4,000 watts. They only generate 15 watts per square foot. This is solely based of internet research.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

More than likely battery prices will skyrocket. The demand will go up and so will the price.

Home computers will never work.

 

[Arcola]

Home computers will never work.

He’s talking about the supply and demand of nickel.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

He’s talking about the supply and demand of nickel.

The market will fix itself if gubmint stays out of the way.

 

[MGHS]

The market will fix itself if gubmint stays out of the way.

The Govt never stays out of the way....the nature of those who seek power is to control and profit off of others hard work.

 

[r14veer]

The Govt never stays out of the way....the nature of those who seek power is to control and profit off of others hard work.

Is that not exactly the nature of capitalism?

 

[MGHS]

True competitive Capitalism has constraints of the consumer and to a degree the workers. Capitalism produces wealth and products of necessity and leisure.



Government and the bureaucracy are entrenched and they control the economics system and the people with regulations and laws. They produce nothing and create nothing, they take and redistribute.

 

[Toots_mcgee]

True competitive Capitalism has constraints of the consumer and to a degree the workers. Capitalism produces wealth and products of necessity and leisure.



Government and the bureaucracy are entrenched and they control the economics system and the people with regulations and laws. They produce nothing and create nothing, they take and redistribute.

So you are also describing health insurance companies. But they add 17% overhead to healthcare and you think it’s all so wonderful. They cure no one. Heal no one. Withhold care and overrule sound medical advice.

 

[MGHS]

The Healthcare system has lots of issues no doubt and I have no love for a lot of practices that Health insurance co. employ …but many of their responses are directly related to the govt. and the price shift to actual paying patients that hospitals do to cover non-pay expenses. Healthcare workers and our benefits are a huge expense as well. The fact that people who can't afford healthcare get the same top rated care that paying patients receive creates a imbalance in the system.

Think about how much more Housing, Cars, Fuel, Food, etc. would cost if companies had to provide those goods and service's to a segment of the population for free or near free!! That cost would be passed on to us as it is in Healthcare Premiums, deductibles and co-pays. That is what happens when hospitals over charge Insurance co.

I would like to see some true Capitalistic competition between Health Insurance co. but alas the politicians and the bureaucracy haven't looked out for the voters and allowed mini-monopolies to form within regions and employers as they cut deals and force providers and networks upon people. And of course the flip side of that is many in the Govt want to take control of the System 100% and take any recourse away from the citizens when it comes to HC. Now at least by changing jobs or even buy supplemental HC you have a bit of choice.

Once the Govt. is in control then that will be your HC provider except for those who do have the means to buy supplemental Insurance...which is done in places like Canada etc. Which will probably happen here to a large degree and money won't be saved by most.

 

[cardsrock15]

The Healthcare system has lots of issues no doubt and I have no love for a lot of practices that Health insurance co. employ …but many of their responses are directly related to the govt. and the price shift to actual paying patients that hospitals do to cover non-pay expenses. Healthcare workers and our benefits are a huge expense as well. The fact that people who can't afford healthcare get the same top rated care that paying patients receive creates a imbalance in the system.

Think about how much more Housing, Cars, Fuel, Food, etc. would cost if companies had to provide those goods and service's to a segment of the population for free or near free!! That cost would be passed on to us as it is in Healthcare Premiums, deductibles and co-pays. That is what happens when hospitals over charge Insurance co.

I would like to see some true Capitalistic competition between Health Insurance co. but alas the politicians and the bureaucracy haven't looked out for the voters and allowed mini-monopolies to form within regions and employers as they cut deals and force providers and networks upon people. And of course the flip side of that is many in the Govt want to take control of the System 100% and take any recourse away from the citizens when it comes to HC. Now at least by changing jobs or even buy supplemental HC you have a bit of choice.

Once the Govt. is in control then that will be your HC provider except for those who do have the means to buy supplemental Insurance...which is done in places like Canada etc. Which will probably happen here to a large degree and money won't

How many watts to power a Target? I bet more than a parking lot worth of panels. I thought an average home needed 12-18 panels depending on region to hit 4,000 watts. They only generate 15 watts per square foot. This is solely based of internet research.

I have 4800 watts of panels feeding up to 240 amps (if conditions are perfect) into a 3000 amp/hour battery bank. It will easily provide all my energy needs ,,except to heat and cool my home. In the winter I will burn 1000 gallons of propane to run my boiler and in the summer I have utility power to run my air conditioner.

My system would have to be probably 5 times as big to supply all of my energy needs

to try to limit power outages in the high usage period from 4pm to 10pm, California is raising electricity rates during these peak hours and lowering them overnight to try to drive demand into off peak hours. Problem is their solar farms get zero energy in the middle of the night and they buy a lot of out of state power coming from conventional power plants

what the heck do they think they are going to do in 10 years when millions of people get home from work at 6:00 and they all start plugging their cars into their level 2 chargers at the same time