Starters and specifically your best player should not be on the floor with just a couple mins left in the game when it is a blowout. Have some class people.
Take Your Starters Out
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I agree with you for the most part. However, there are rare instances where a player may be chasing a school or state record. I’m okay with leaving a player in at that point. But those are rare occurrences
Up 30 points with less than 2 mins to go in the game one of the best girls players in the state was still in the game as the coach was continuing to press and try to run the score up. The girl goes down with a knee injury.
True. But you shouldnt have the Francis girl on the floor up 30 like that.
I disagree. If you have a kid that can break the record it’s not fair to the kid to not let them play. It’s not their fault that the other team is struggling. Leave the one starter and pull the rest.
Your opinion is fine, mine is it is team game and not individual. You want individual awards go do track, golf or wrestling
You say that, but all we ever hear people talk about are individuals and how many points they score etc.... they select All State Teams made up of individuals from different teams based on individual stats. Absolutely it takes a TEAM to achieve true success with a program but let's not play stupid and pretend that Individual stats aren't a part of it.
Just curious, but how do you feel about varsity starters playing 2 quarters in JV games when you have enough players to field a JV team?
Kids get a chance to finish off something excellent if they get a chance. If it is a season or career mark, then I would leave the kid in. I wouldn't have a kid go after a single game record against a team we are blowing out...
Starters? It better be a unique circumstance. But I would play any underclassman that doesn't start for a quarter or two of JV.
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My post was strictly regarding the remark about individual rewards not being a part of basketball. Nothing to do with the original post
There is a difference in stats and PADDING your stats! Again, respect the game and the others that participating in it is all I am saying.
You definitely need to get your players out when the game has been decided. Otherwise you end up with stuff like what happened to the Francis girl. That is all on the coach and shows how completely classless their coach must be. Those kind of things tend to come back around eventually, either a player gets hurt like that situation or a team pays you back for it in a year or two. Really sucks for the kid, but the coach had it coming.
As for leaving players in to go for records, the only time I could agree with a player staying in the game well after it has been decided is if they are about to get a single season/career record or 1000/2000 points for their career and it's near the end of the season. Someone mentioned getting individual accolades earlier, which is a really flimsy excuse because 90+% of coaches take their players out when the game has been decided, so the vast majority of players are rightfully not given the opportunity to pad their stats against overwhelmed opponents. So how is it "fair" to gain individual accolades by padding stats when almost no other players are allowed to do that?
As for leaving players in to go for records, the only time I could agree with a player staying in the game well after it has been decided is if they are about to get a single season/career record or 1000/2000 points for their career and it's near the end of the season. Someone mentioned getting individual accolades earlier, which is a really flimsy excuse because 90+% of coaches take their players out when the game has been decided, so the vast majority of players are rightfully not given the opportunity to pad their stats against overwhelmed opponents. So how is it "fair" to gain individual accolades by padding stats when almost no other players are allowed to do that?
Where is the Francis girl from? I lost one of my best guys when we were down 14 in conference championship game. trying to sub him out for 1:45 at the table and they were holding the ball. Finally they drove in and he tried to block the shot landing on his ankle awkward and fractured it 3 weeks before districts. Missed the district championship run and the playoff game.
I’m not saying leave a kid in for a high game record. I’m talking about school career record or state record. If they can break the schools record I say leave them in.
On the other question I don’t think starters on varsity should play JV unless you need them to have enough kids to play.
On the other question I don’t think starters on varsity should play JV unless you need them to have enough kids to play.
She went over 2000 toward the end of her sophomore season last year. She had a shot at the state record but now she'll have no shot if it's an ACL issue.
#1 Setting a scoring record against a 1-19 team up 30+ late in the 4th quarter seems a little bush league. Set/break a record against a better opponent unless you were close in the first half.
#2 Playing varisty starters in jv game is classless, especially if you have enough on the jv roster to play the game. Maybe the flu hit the jv team or injuries. If there were no other options on the varsity bench except for the starters to come down and play so the jv game didn't get cancelled then maybe. I would hope the jv coach wouldn't play the varisty starters together at the same time.
#2 Playing varisty starters in jv game is classless, especially if you have enough on the jv roster to play the game. Maybe the flu hit the jv team or injuries. If there were no other options on the varsity bench except for the starters to come down and play so the jv game didn't get cancelled then maybe. I would hope the jv coach wouldn't play the varisty starters together at the same time.
I hope your right AC. Hate to see a kid get knocked out for a bunch of games when they have a chance to break any kind of record but this is the big one. Not sure they'll go far in the playoffs even with her but they sure have a better chance if she's in the lineup.
wait a second... Francis didn't really hit 2000 last year right? That had to be her 1000th point. I could be wrong, but I didn't even think she was ahead of Frank or Harman in scoring who both got 2000 this year.
I happened to be at the game when she did it point because I was watching 3R recruit from Alton play. They gave her the game ball and there was a TV station there to interview her. They said announced it as her breaking the 2000 point mark so I assume that was correct. Depending on how many games they played she would have to average 35 or more a game to get there so it's possible but it sure would be tough. I haven't tried to look it up but I'm sure you could.
Cauble at Oran went over 1000 in the 8th game of her sophomore season last year, I don't know what she ended the season with. She has tacked a bunch more this season but I don't know where she stands now.
Hey hardwork, I just looked up some stuff on Piper. It said she averaged 21 mpg her freshman year and almost 28 mpg her sophomore year so it just ain't possible to get to 2000 like that. I guess they said 1000 when I was there but that isn't the way I remember it. I guess my hearing ain't too good. Still some big numbers but not as big as I thought. 
I think Cauble averaged over 30ppg for both her freshman and sophomore year so she has to be ahead of her, I just don't where she is now late in her Junior year.
I think Cauble averaged over 30ppg for both her freshman and sophomore year so she has to be ahead of her, I just don't where she is now late in her Junior year.
Piper has 1500+ she broke that early this year......also it is a bone bruise and I don't think she has missed a game so that shows her toughness and determination
Still very big numbers. If Cauble is averaging 30 for a third year in a row her totals should be past 2000 I would think and well on her way to 3000. Does Oran have a good shot of making a deep run in the playoffs?
They will likely have to get by the winner between Thayer and Neelyville. They upset Neelyville in the quarters at 3R last year. I'm sure Oran is better than last season but so is Neelyville, and Thayer is still unbeaten. Should be a packed house for that quarter final again this year. Yes Cauble is likely well over 2000 by now but I haven't seen it posted on here or semoball.
Thayer maybe undefeated but their resume don’t compare to neelyvilles and having seen both teams it’s no wonder Thayer didn’t get the 1 seed in their district
There is def star padding going on. I've seen several instances where no matter how big they were up the kid didn't come out til she got her average. Lots of coaches do it to look good for colleges but that don't always translate into good college careers. I'll have my eye on one in particular when she goes on to play. I guess the education Will be paid for no matter what .....
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