STL vs The Rest of MO

[BPcompete]

Today I pondered, WHY? Why are things this way?

When I check all the credible recruiting services: Rivals, 247Sports, ESPN etc. WHY is it that about 90% of all Missouri football recruits are from the St. Louis Area? Just last year (c/o 2017) St. Louis had 1 guy to to USC, 2 Oklahoma guys, and 2 Ohio State guys. The OU part bothered me, Its a MUCH closer drive to visit Lamar, Webb, Joplin, etc. Why are they driving 7 hours to offer 12+ STL guys when you have perennial state contenders so near? Gas is outrageous these days.

I also noticed that YES, a disproportionate amount of the STL recruits do attend private schools. What I don't understand though is why is this so upsetting? If those recruits went to Public schools instead they'd still be from St. Louis LOL. PLUS Doesn't it sound like a losers mentality that when you lose to play the blame game instead of taking responsibility for not being as physical as the other team? (Joplin *cough*)

It appears that STL is in perfect position to possibly sweep all of the relevant classes in MO (s/o to 8-man) this year in Football. Yet I wonder WHY is this surprising??? St. Louis has dominated Basketball for decades, Track all the same (KC is competitive in track, but no one else). Isn't it just possible that STL has an ungodly amount of better athletes? Why are people shocked by this?

Thanks for Reading. (SIDE NOTE: If you thought SWMO had steam coming out of their eyeballs watching CBC, they'll have seizures Saturday when they see #3 Notre Dame recruit Kyren Williams vs Carthage LOL he'd be the best skill guy on CBC and is gonna easily win Missouri Gatorade POY. )

 

[BPcompete]

 

[Cards1968]

The s/o to 8 man sleighed me.

 

[bhunt95]

This is what is happening in HS football overall IMO in Missouri.

1. Participation is down all over the state. What is causing this?

A. Helicopter parents worried about their kids getting hurt and the CTE scare.

B. More and more high schools are getting soccer teams especially in the class 2, 3, 4 schools in last 10 years. (related to Part A above)

C. Instead of kids when young outside playing and naturally getting exercise they are inside playing video games.

2. Why the perception that Saint Louis is better than the Western schools this year.

A. Kids that are good are radiating to these top football schools in Saint Louis. Look past the top couple teams in each class and talent level pretty thin.

B. Recruiting: Passive recruiting both private and public (happens all over the state) Kids/Parents want to go to schools that have winning programs. I have no issues with this at private schools. Anything a student can do to make a better life for their future (getting a better education) is a good thing.

I do take issue with active recruiting. Think it is unethical for a coach to say he can bring a group of kids to your school if you hire him. Fortunately that coach is no longer in this state and used same tactics to get him a D1 coaching job. Does it happen elsewhere? maybe but not on that scale or as publicly. Again not taking issue with the students. If they have the opportunity to get out of a bad situation good for them.

 

[mosofan]

Today I pondered, WHY? Why are things this way?

When I check all the credible recruiting services: Rivals, 247Sports, ESPN etc. WHY is it that about 90% of all Missouri football recruits are from the St. Louis Area? Just last year (c/o 2017) St. Louis had 1 guy to to USC, 2 Oklahoma guys, and 2 Ohio State guys. The OU part bothered me, Its a MUCH closer drive to visit Lamar, Webb, Joplin, etc. Why are they driving 7 hours to offer 12+ STL guys when you have perennial state contenders so near? Gas is outrageous these days.

I also noticed that YES, a disproportionate amount of the STL recruits do attend private schools. What I don't understand though is why is this so upsetting? If those recruits went to Public schools instead they'd still be from St. Louis LOL. PLUS Doesn't it sound like a losers mentality that when you lose to play the blame game instead of taking responsibility for not being as physical as the other team? (Joplin *cough*)

It appears that STL is in perfect position to possibly sweep all of the relevant classes in MO (s/o to 8-man) this year in Football. Yet I wonder WHY is this surprising??? St. Louis has dominated Basketball for decades, Track all the same (KC is competitive in track, but no one else). Isn't it just possible that STL has an ungodly amount of better athletes? Why are people shocked by this?

Thanks for Reading. (SIDE NOTE: If you thought SWMO had steam coming out of their eyeballs watching CBC, they'll have seizures Saturday when they see #3 Notre Dame recruit Kyren Williams vs Carthage LOL he'd be the best skill guy on CBC and is gonna easily win Missouri Gatorade POY. )

No one else competitive in track? SWMO with Carthage, Carl Junction, and Webb City dominated Class 4 last year. West Plains (not in KC or Stl) wasn't too shabby either. Lamar has also done well in Class 2.

 

[MIZZOU71]

No one else competitive in track? SWMO with Carthage, Carl Junction, and Webb City dominated Class 4 last year. West Plains (not in KC or Stl) wasn't too shabby either. Lamar has also done well in Class 2.

Willard also placed 8th in class 4 last year I believe.

 

[MIZZOU71]

Willard also placed 8th in class 4 last year I believe.

In track

 

[BPcompete]

Willard also placed 8th in class 4 last year I believe.

This is kind of the point of the post. Compete sure, actually win or finish top 3 not a chance in this lifetimez

 

[FBisLife12]

How athletes (specifically football players) get recruited isn’t a DiVinci Code-level mystery, but a lot of parents and players don’t know or believe what the process really is.

Visibility and exposure to college coaches is key, but above all of that a kid has to not just be an outstanding high school player ... he’s got to project to be an even better college player. Some kids max out at 17-18. Some aren’t tall or fast enough. Grades and such are always in there, too. Getting your kid in front of college coaches is necessary given all of the above is where it needs to be. Just having highlights on HUDL, being all-state or even a state champion isn’t enough. No one gets offered a college scholarship just because their hs team won state, but their effort on the field CAN do that.

Another huge variable in that visibility topic is the willingness of your hs coach to reach out and to be welcoming to colleges. It might surprise you to know how many hs coaches don’t and won’t do that because of the time, effort or (quite simply) the distraction it can bring. Coach Mauk out of Glendale won’t let anyone that’s not a Senior talk to media, which doesn’t help his kids with exposure. More than a few coaches in STL have actually told their parents “it isn’t my job to help your kid get attention from colleges”. Some coaches won’t allow their players to post highlights until after the season isn’t over, which keeps them from being seen by recruiters. There’s more, but this is a primer.

 

[BPcompete]

How athletes (specifically football players) get recruited isn’t a DiVinci Code-level mystery, but a lot of parents and players don’t know or believe what the process really is.

Visibility and exposure to college coaches is key, but above all of that a kid has to not just be an outstanding high school player ... he’s got to project to be an even better college player. Some kids max out at 17-18. Some aren’t tall or fast enough. Grades and such are always in there, too. Getting your kid in front of college coaches is necessary given all of the above is where it needs to be. Just having highlights on HUDL, being all-state or even a state champion isn’t enough. No one gets offered a college scholarship just because their hs team won state, but their effort on the field CAN do that.

Another huge variable in that visibility topic is the willingness of your hs coach to reach out and to be welcoming to colleges. It might surprise you to know how many hs coaches don’t and won’t do that because of the time, effort or (quite simply) the distraction it can bring. Coach Mauk out of Glendale won’t let anyone that’s not a Senior talk to media, which doesn’t help his kids with exposure. More than a few coaches in STL have actually told their parents “it isn’t my job to help your kid get attention from colleges”. Some coaches won’t allow their players to post highlights until after the season isn’t over, which keeps them from being seen by recruiters. There’s more, but this is a primer.

My thing is the talent gap has always been MASSIVE. Its just that in the last 5-6 years the coaching in St. Louis has finally caught up so the results on the field are showing that talent gap. Also some of the “dynasties” in the state will soon be ending. Class 4 which has always been dominated by W*** has always been a weird STL Class. Majority of the public schools are too big for class 4 and the smaller private schools JB, LN, Trinity, CR etc are usually class 3. Now with this new realignment Class 4 has many more St Louis teams so we’ll see. Like W*** goes years without seeing a St Louis team and claimed to be the best in the state.

 

[BearsCountry]

St. Louis has the highest population and the highest population of African-Americans who typically produce the best athletes. That is why recruiting rankings reflect that.

 

[JNreturns]

Today I pondered, WHY? Why are things this way?

When I check all the credible recruiting services: Rivals, 247Sports, ESPN etc. WHY is it that about 90% of all Missouri football recruits are from the St. Louis Area? Just last year (c/o 2017) St. Louis had 1 guy to to USC, 2 Oklahoma guys, and 2 Ohio State guys. The OU part bothered me, Its a MUCH closer drive to visit Lamar, Webb, Joplin, etc. Why are they driving 7 hours to offer 12+ STL guys when you have perennial state contenders so near? Gas is outrageous these days.

I also noticed that YES, a disproportionate amount of the STL recruits do attend private schools. What I don't understand though is why is this so upsetting? If those recruits went to Public schools instead they'd still be from St. Louis LOL. PLUS Doesn't it sound like a losers mentality that when you lose to play the blame game instead of taking responsibility for not being as physical as the other team? (Joplin *cough*)

It appears that STL is in perfect position to possibly sweep all of the relevant classes in MO (s/o to 8-man) this year in Football. Yet I wonder WHY is this surprising??? St. Louis has dominated Basketball for decades, Track all the same (KC is competitive in track, but no one else). Isn't it just possible that STL has an ungodly amount of better athletes? Why are people shocked by this?

Thanks for Reading. (SIDE NOTE: If you thought SWMO had steam coming out of their eyeballs watching CBC, they'll have seizures Saturday when they see #3 Notre Dame recruit Kyren Williams vs Carthage LOL he'd be the best skill guy on CBC and is gonna easily win Missouri Gatorade POY. )

What crack are you on? KC is better than St. Louis in track and field. I don't see anything but a good show for St. Louis from these results. Dominating? Bahaha

2018 Class 5 Track
1. Lee's Summit North (Kansas City)
2. Rock Bridge (Columbia)
3. Blue Springs (Kansas City)
4. Kirkwood (St. Louis)

2017 Class 5 Track
1. Blue Springs (Kansas City)
2. Lafayette (St. Louis
3. Lee's Summit North (Kansas City)
4. CBC (St. Louis)

 

[anon_ijjn3x9baf01k]

This is kind of the point of the post. Compete sure, actually win or finish top 3 not a chance in this lifetimez

2018 boys track state champions was Carthage, who won by 5 points over Carl Junction.

 

[JHS Radio Guy]

Today I pondered, WHY? Why are things this way?

When I check all the credible recruiting services: Rivals, 247Sports, ESPN etc. WHY is it that about 90% of all Missouri football recruits are from the St. Louis Area? Just last year (c/o 2017) St. Louis had 1 guy to to USC, 2 Oklahoma guys, and 2 Ohio State guys. The OU part bothered me, Its a MUCH closer drive to visit Lamar, Webb, Joplin, etc. Why are they driving 7 hours to offer 12+ STL guys when you have perennial state contenders so near? Gas is outrageous these days.

I also noticed that YES, a disproportionate amount of the STL recruits do attend private schools. What I don't understand though is why is this so upsetting? If those recruits went to Public schools instead they'd still be from St. Louis LOL. PLUS Doesn't it sound like a losers mentality that when you lose to play the blame game instead of taking responsibility for not being as physical as the other team? (Joplin *cough*)

It appears that STL is in perfect position to possibly sweep all of the relevant classes in MO (s/o to 8-man) this year in Football. Yet I wonder WHY is this surprising??? St. Louis has dominated Basketball for decades, Track all the same (KC is competitive in track, but no one else). Isn't it just possible that STL has an ungodly amount of better athletes? Why are people shocked by this?

Thanks for Reading. (SIDE NOTE: If you thought SWMO had steam coming out of their eyeballs watching CBC, they'll have seizures Saturday when they see #3 Notre Dame recruit Kyren Williams vs Carthage LOL he'd be the best skill guy on CBC and is gonna easily win Missouri Gatorade POY. )

Joplin *cough* never ever played the "recruits" card in their loss to CBC. They knew that CBC has a damn good team. They realize that they were beaten by a better team. What Joplin fans had a problem with was the way CBC and those recruits handled themselves during the game.

 

[mowesten]

How athletes (specifically football players) get recruited isn’t a DiVinci Code-level mystery, but a lot of parents and players don’t know or believe what the process really is.

Visibility and exposure to college coaches is key, but above all of that a kid has to not just be an outstanding high school player ... he’s got to project to be an even better college player. Some kids max out at 17-18. Some aren’t tall or fast enough. Grades and such are always in there, too. Getting your kid in front of college coaches is necessary given all of the above is where it needs to be. Just having highlights on HUDL, being all-state or even a state champion isn’t enough. No one gets offered a college scholarship just because their hs team won state, but their effort on the field CAN do that.

Another huge variable in that visibility topic is the willingness of your hs coach to reach out and to be welcoming to colleges. It might surprise you to know how many hs coaches don’t and won’t do that because of the time, effort or (quite simply) the distraction it can bring. Coach Mauk out of Glendale won’t let anyone that’s not a Senior talk to media, which doesn’t help his kids with exposure. More than a few coaches in STL have actually told their parents “it isn’t my job to help your kid get attention from colleges”. Some coaches won’t allow their players to post highlights until after the season isn’t over, which keeps them from being seen by recruiters. There’s more, but this is a primer.

Some coaches are worried about the present. Some are worried about the future. If half your kids live in Cooper Estates, you're probably not nearly as concerned about their future as you would be if they were from economically challenged families.

There's nothing inherently wrong about either approach, they're just two different set of circumstances. Many of the most active coaches in the recruitment of their players have kids in their program that need a college scholarship to help lift them and their family out of bad circumstances.

And I hate to paint with too broad of a brush, but from what I've seen, many of the coaches that aren't actively involved in their kids' recruiting have a lot of kids in their program who have a future in college with or without athletics.

With that said, this is the era of self promotion, that's why we post a picture of our brunch on Facebook and Tweet about our dog. There's nothing that a high school coach can do for a kid that a kid can't do for himself. Kids can actively promote their video, email coaches, correspond with them via PM on Twitter, attend camps and combines (especially the ones being put on by colleges) and do any number of other things to be visible.

If a coach is actively trying to prevent a kid from doing any of those things, then that's probably a different story.

 

[FBisLife12]

Some coaches are worried about the present. Some are worried about the future. If half your kids live in Cooper Estates, you're probably not nearly as concerned about their future as you would be if they lived in the projects.

There's nothing inherently wrong about either approach, they're just two different set of circumstances. Many of the most active coaches in the recruitment of their players have kids in their program that need a college scholarship to help lift them and their family out of bad circumstances.

And I hate to paint with too broad of a brush, but from what I've seen, many of the coaches that aren't actively involved in their kids' recruiting have a lot of kids in their program who have a future in college with or without athletics.

With that said, this is the era of self promotion, that's why we post a picture of our brunch on Facebook and Tweet about our dog. There's nothing that a high school coach can do for a kid that a kid can't do for himself. Kids can actively promote their video, email coaches, correspond with them via PM on Twitter, attend camps and combines (especially the ones being put on by colleges) and do any number of other things to be visible.

If a coach is actively trying to prevent a kid from doing any of those things, then that's probably a different story.

Idk whose kids you assume are from “the projects” , so I’m just going to take that to mean kids from economically challenged families all over the state.
If the coaches you know don’t assist their own athletes that have the goal of playing collegiate football because they figure their kids don’t need a scholarship, then that’s an unusual perspective, but I guess it works for them.

As far as how to best get noticed by colleges, all I know is what I experienced with my kid. Ultimately, the number of offers the players from schools in STL that actively promote their kids get speaks to one of two things. Either they’re getting offers that other schools’ players aren’t because they’re considered to be better collegiate prospects by colleges, or they’re getting noticed more because their HS coaches cultivated relationships, took them to camps and provided endorsements for them that other players didn’t get from their own coaches.

I know that every coach I spoke to that recruited my son mentioned that when they asked other HCs “what players do you think we should look at?” His name game up regularly and it was helpful in our process. Other families have different experiences and I’m happy to see kids live out their dreams, no matter how it happens.

 

[bullitpdq68]

How athletes (specifically football players) get recruited isn’t a DiVinci Code-level mystery, but a lot of parents and players don’t know or believe what the process really is.

Visibility and exposure to college coaches is key, but above all of that a kid has to not just be an outstanding high school player ... he’s got to project to be an even better college player. Some kids max out at 17-18. Some aren’t tall or fast enough. Grades and such are always in there, too. Getting your kid in front of college coaches is necessary given all of the above is where it needs to be. Just having highlights on HUDL, being all-state or even a state champion isn’t enough. No one gets offered a college scholarship just because their hs team won state, but their effort on the field CAN do that.

Another huge variable in that visibility topic is the willingness of your hs coach to reach out and to be welcoming to colleges. It might surprise you to know how many hs coaches don’t and won’t do that because of the time, effort or (quite simply) the distraction it can bring. Coach Mauk out of Glendale won’t let anyone that’s not a Senior talk to media, which doesn’t help his kids with exposure. More than a few coaches in STL have actually told their parents “it isn’t my job to help your kid get attention from colleges”. Some coaches won’t allow their players to post highlights until after the season isn’t over, which keeps them from being seen by recruiters. There’s more, but this is a primer.

Sorry If you don't have D-1 talent I don't care what your High school coach does you are not going to get signed to play D-1 ball. Some kids expectations are unrealistic, if you are 5'7" QB and can run the 40 in only 5.7 you are not going to be recruited by Michigan no matter what your coach tells you.

St Louis has talent based on the sheer number of high school kids they have. And I hope those kids use that talent to go onto college and get a good education.

 

[mowesten]

Idk whose kids you assume are from “the projects” , so I’m just going to take that to mean kids from economically challenged families all over the state.
If the coaches you know don’t assist their own athletes that have the goal of playing collegiate football because they figure their kids don’t need a scholarship, then that’s an unusual perspective, but I guess it works for them.

As far as how to best get noticed by colleges, all I know is what I experienced with my kid. Ultimately, the number of offers the players from schools in STL that actively promote their kids get speaks to one of two things. Either they’re getting offers that other schools’ players aren’t because they’re considered to be better collegiate prospects by colleges, or they’re getting noticed more because their HS coaches cultivated relationships, took them to camps and provided endorsements for them that other players didn’t get from their own coaches.

I know that every coach I spoke to that recruited my son mentioned that when they asked other HCs “what players do you think we should look at?” His name game up regularly and it was helpful in our process. Other families have different experiences and I’m happy to see kids live out their dreams, no matter how it happens.

I was being hyperbolic, no offense intended. "Projects" is a poor choice of words, point taken.

I stand by my thought that some coaches are more motivated than others to help their athletes pursue a college scholarship due to the circumstances their players are in ... even if poorly worded.

 

[Duck_walk]

Idk whose kids you assume are from “the projects” , so I’m just going to take that to mean kids from economically challenged families all over the state.
If the coaches you know don’t assist their own athletes that have the goal of playing collegiate football because they figure their kids don’t need a scholarship, then that’s an unusual perspective, but I guess it works for them.

As far as how to best get noticed by colleges, all I know is what I experienced with my kid. Ultimately, the number of offers the players from schools in STL that actively promote their kids get speaks to one of two things. Either they’re getting offers that other schools’ players aren’t because they’re considered to be better collegiate prospects by colleges, or they’re getting noticed more because their HS coaches cultivated relationships, took them to camps and provided endorsements for them that other players didn’t get from their own coaches.

I know that every coach I spoke to that recruited my son mentioned that when they asked other HCs “what players do you think we should look at?” His name game up regularly and it was helpful in our process. Other families have different experiences and I’m happy to see kids live out their dreams, no matter how it happens.

Some of it is geographic. A college coach can land in STL and hit 20 athlete-rich high schools in a few days. He is far less likely to drive to Cabool to check on one kid.

 

[CEO Material]

Joplin *cough* never ever played the "recruits" card in their loss to CBC. They knew that CBC has a damn good team. They realize that they were beaten by a better team. What Joplin fans had a problem with was the way CBC and those recruits handled themselves during the game.

I’ve wondered about this myself. I watch CBC because MJ Anderson is a commit to the Gophers. But his antics, jumping around, doing dancing, etc and that entire team are borderline stupid. I watched a bit of the Joplin game. They talk quite a bit of trash. They are extremely talented but that crap needs to stop.

 

[Saints-1-fan]

Is there a link here where S.W Mo teams can forfeit the rest of the championship games in light of the impending defeats awaiting them ALL ?

 

[sw5890]

I’ve wondered about this myself. I watch CBC because MJ Anderson is a commit to the Gophers. But his antics, jumping around, doing dancing, etc and that entire team are borderline stupid. I watched a bit of the Joplin game. They talk quite a bit of trash. They are extremely talented but that crap needs to stop.

I heard from someone at the game that going into halftime walking past the Joplin crowd into the locker room CBC players were pointing at the scoreboard and laughing, dancing, and hollering "we goin' to state!!".

I don't think anyone from Joplin really ever expected to win that game but they were surprised by just how different this team (from an allegedly christian school nonetheless) acted compared to other schools they have played. They acted a bit like NFL hooligans.

 

[BPcompete]

I heard from someone at the game that going into halftime walking past the Joplin crowd into the locker room CBC players were pointing at the scoreboard and laughing, dancing, and hollering "we goin' to state!!".

I don't think anyone from Joplin really ever expected to win that game but they were surprised by just how different this team (from an allegedly christian school nonetheless) acted compared to other schools they have played. They acted a bit like NFL hooligans.

@JHS Radio Guy @sw5890 Both of you please cut it out. Trash talking, jumping around, being aggressive etc is a part of football. Laughing and pointing to the scoreboard just hurt your feelings. "Well this team isn't acting very Christian like" LOL. Its clearly cultural differences between Joplin folk and others. You guys probably also don't like end zone celebrations in the NFL or bat flipping in Baseball. Im pretty sure its bedtime already for you old timers.

"I can't believe that this team that we spent the entire week, game, and post-game saying that they cheat and the best team money can buy isn't being nice to us? Wow so un-Christian like"

 

[bullitpdq68]

Joplin fans really should not be throwing stones here. I went to three Joplin playoff games in a row (yeah I wanted to see them win being originally from Joplin) and they were not exactly role model fans. The first game I went to when the Joplin PA announcer said the score a few times you could hear him chuckle when he announced the visitors score, as to say wow you guys are bad, very unprofessional and just poor taste. But all that being said I don't think they were any worse than any other places I have been to either.
However that really does not excuse how the players for CBC acted when walking off the field of play at halftime, act like an adult is what I was always taught, It just shows badly for the coaching staff, that as far as I could tell really didn't even try to control the behavior of their players at that time? But both sides seemed to be taunting as the players walked off the field and there was possibly a missed call at the end of that half and when you are getting your @$$ handed to you it only magnifies everything you don't believe is going your way and can amplify emotions! Also getting to the visitors locker room at Junge field is just horrible, you go right up and under the home stands, just really invites this sort behavior from the home fans and visiting team.

 

[sw5890]

@JHS Radio Guy @sw5890 Both of you please cut it out. Trash talking, jumping around, being aggressive etc is a part of football. Laughing and pointing to the scoreboard just hurt your feelings. "Well this team isn't acting very Christian like" LOL. Its clearly cultural differences between Joplin folk and others. You guys probably also don't like end zone celebrations in the NFL or bat flipping in Baseball. Im pretty sure its bedtime already for you old timers.

"I can't believe that this team that we spent the entire week, game, and post-game saying that they cheat and the best team money can buy isn't being nice to us? Wow so un-Christian like"

You're totally right it's a cultural difference. And yeah I despise NFL end zone celebrations. It makes grown men look like undisciplined children. I know we're different down here and maybe old fashioned but I'll take it. To each his own I guess.

 

[PlayerTwo]

I don't see what the point of your post is?? This is nothing new and how its always been. STL has always had the better athletes that were more recruited than anywhere else in the state. While everywhere has always put together better teams. That gap has closed in recent years....

But for the most part its been simple:
STL = Better individuals
Everywhere else = Better teams

 

[sw5890]

I am not sure it everyone realizes how much larger STL is than the rest of the state, even KC. There are almost a million more people in the STL metro compared to KC, although I think KC is closing the gap in recent years. It makes sense to me that scouts hit that area hardest.

 

[SW Drill King]

If your a scout do you want to drive to SWMO to see maybe 5 players in a given year that can maybe go D1AA sometimes higher or to the bigger city’s where you can see those same 5 caliber players in one game? It’s more of a logistics thing than any. The kids from rural areas don’t slip through the cracks much anymore because of Hudl

 

[BPcompete]

I don't see what the point of your post is?? This is nothing new and how its always been. STL has always had the better athletes that were more recruited than anywhere else in the state. While everywhere has always put together better teams. That gap has closed in recent years....

But for the most part its been simple:
STL = Better individuals
Everywhere else = Better teams

There was no point lol just to troll.

 

[SW Drill King]

How athletes (specifically football players) get recruited isn’t a DiVinci Code-level mystery, but a lot of parents and players don’t know or believe what the process really is.

Visibility and exposure to college coaches is key, but above all of that a kid has to not just be an outstanding high school player ... he’s got to project to be an even better college player. Some kids max out at 17-18. Some aren’t tall or fast enough. Grades and such are always in there, too. Getting your kid in front of college coaches is necessary given all of the above is where it needs to be. Just having highlights on HUDL, being all-state or even a state champion isn’t enough. No one gets offered a college scholarship just because their hs team won state, but their effort on the field CAN do that.

Another huge variable in that visibility topic is the willingness of your hs coach to reach out and to be welcoming to colleges. It might surprise you to know how many hs coaches don’t and won’t do that because of the time, effort or (quite simply) the distraction it can bring. Coach Mauk out of Glendale won’t let anyone that’s not a Senior talk to media, which doesn’t help his kids with exposure. More than a few coaches in STL have actually told their parents “it isn’t my job to help your kid get attention from colleges”. Some coaches won’t allow their players to post highlights until after the season isn’t over, which keeps them from being seen by recruiters. There’s more, but this is a primer.

There was a big problem in SWMO with a coach in the last decade that would completely almost write most of the players off after there sr year was done

 

[STL_Dan]

Joplin fans really should not be throwing stones here. I went to three Joplin playoff games in a row (yeah I wanted to see them win being originally from Joplin) and they were not exactly role model fans. The first game I went to when the Joplin PA announcer said the score a few times you could hear him chuckle when he announced the visitors score, as to say wow you guys are bad, very unprofessional and just poor taste. But all that being said I don't think they were any worse than any other places I have been to either.
However that really does not excuse how the players for CBC acted when walking off the field of play at halftime, act like an adult is what I was always taught, It just shows badly for the coaching staff, that as far as I could tell really didn't even try to control the behavior of their players at that time? But both sides seemed to be taunting as the players walked off the field and there was possibly a missed call at the end of that half and when you are getting your @$$ handed to you it only magnifies everything you don't believe is going your way and can amplify emotions! Also getting to the visitors locker room at Junge field is just horrible, you go right up and under the home stands, just really invites this sort behavior from the home fans and visiting team.

Couldn't agree more. Sportsmanship at the high school level is paramount.

btw.....is Junge pronounced "Young"?

 

[bullitpdq68]

Couldn't agree more. Sportsmanship at the high school level is paramount.

btw.....is Junge pronounced "Young"?

I have always heard it pronounced like Young with a J. But not sure?

 

[Mister_Wizard]

J in Junge is like J in Joplin.

Unge in Junge is like oung in young.

So Junge would rhyme with young.

 

[STL_Dan]

Ok, cool.

I kept defaulting to the pronunciation of Paul DeJong's last name as a guide. But, his J sounds like a Y.

 

[JHS Radio Guy]

@JHS Radio Guy @sw5890 Both of you please cut it out. Trash talking, jumping around, being aggressive etc is a part of football. Laughing and pointing to the scoreboard just hurt your feelings. "Well this team isn't acting very Christian like" LOL. Its clearly cultural differences between Joplin folk and others. You guys probably also don't like end zone celebrations in the NFL or bat flipping in Baseball. Im pretty sure its bedtime already for you old timers.

"I can't believe that this team that we spent the entire week, game, and post-game saying that they cheat and the best team money can buy isn't being nice to us? Wow so un-Christian like"

It's not the jumping around and such that has Joplin people mad. It's the 5-6 roughing the passer or unsportsmanlike conduct penalties (out of the 10 total penalties CBC had in the 1st half), it's the targeting of our QB who was way away from the INT runback and driven to the ground causing a significant injury, it's the same player standing over the injured QB and taunting him, it's the CBC player telling a Joplin kid to F-off and slapping his hand away when the Joplin kid was trying to help him up, it's the taunting and flipping off the crowd on the way into the locker room at half. It's the things that one of the chain gang told me was being said on the sideline during the game, it's the head coach who called out same QB by name in a tweet, or the CBC "fans" commenting on the JET TV broadcast site that they were "destroying Joplin worse than the tornado did in 2011". That's what has the Joplin people upset.

Ya know I was really looking forward to seeing you guys play. I really was. Such talent on one team doesn't come along that often. But the way they acted left a really bad taste in my mouth. They were clearly the better team and they don't need to do that s#$% to win the game. Total lack of class.

Trust me if this is the new way of thinking and playing you can have it. I'll take old fashioned "rural" attitudes and our way of playing any day.

 

[TJ_DUB]

It's not the jumping around and such that has Joplin people mad. It's the 5-6 roughing the passer or unsportsmanlike conduct penalties (out of the 10 total penalties CBC had in the 1st half), it's the targeting of our QB who was way away from the INT runback and driven to the ground causing a significant injury, it's the same player standing over the injured QB and taunting him, it's the CBC player telling a Joplin kid to F-off and slapping his hand away when the Joplin kid was trying to help him up, it's the taunting and flipping off the crowd on the way into the locker room at half. It's the things that one of the chain gang told me was being said on the sideline during the game, it's the head coach who called out same QB by name in a tweet. That's what has the Joplin people upset.

Ya know I was really looking forward to seeing you guys play. I really was. Such talent on one team doesn't come along that often. But the way they acted left a really bad taste in my mouth. They were clearly the better team and they don't need to do that s#$% to win the game. Total lack of class.

Trust me if this is the new way of thinking and playing you can have it. I'll take old fashioned "rural" attitudes and our way of playing any day.

Is Pingel still the HC @ CBC?

 

[BPcompete]

It's not the jumping around and such that has Joplin people mad. It's the 5-6 roughing the passer or unsportsmanlike conduct penalties (out of the 10 total penalties CBC had in the 1st half), it's the targeting of our QB who was way away from the INT runback and driven to the ground causing a significant injury, it's the same player standing over the injured QB and taunting him, it's the CBC player telling a Joplin kid to F-off and slapping his hand away when the Joplin kid was trying to help him up, it's the taunting and flipping off the crowd on the way into the locker room at half. It's the things that one of the chain gang told me was being said on the sideline during the game, it's the head coach who called out same QB by name in a tweet, or the CBC "fans" commenting on the JET TV broadcast site that they were "destroying Joplin worse than the tornado did in 2011". That's what has the Joplin people upset.

Ya know I was really looking forward to seeing you guys play. I really was. Such talent on one team doesn't come along that often. But the way they acted left a really bad taste in my mouth. They were clearly the better team and they don't need to do that s#$% to win the game. Total lack of class.

Trust me if this is the new way of thinking and playing you can have it. I'll take old fashioned "rural" attitudes and our way of playing any day.

Football is often a double edged sword. The excessiveness, nastiest, and disrespect is a mentality. You have to be cut throat it isnt a gentlemans game. CBC being that way is probably part of the reason they’re that good. They’re bullies.

USUALLY a team takes on the characteristics of their HC. So maybe its a Joplin football thing they need to get tougher. For Example I cant imagine in a million years Webb City getting thrown around and complaining about excessive physicality. Thats how bullies play.

Im in no way affliated with CBC and those Tornado comments are in poor taste. But the “F off” when someone other than your team is trying to help you is music to my ears. High level football SHOULD be physical with shit talking and disrespect. This isnt Tennis.

 

[anon_o1osz027druk9]

Football is often a double edged sword. The excessiveness, nastiest, and disrespect is a mentality. You have to be cut throat it isnt a gentlemans game. CBC being that way is probably part of the reason they’re that good. They’re bullies.

USUALLY a team takes on the characteristics of their HC. So maybe its a Joplin football thing they need to get tougher. For Example I cant imagine in a million years Webb City getting thrown around and complaining about excessive physicality. Thats how bullies play.

Im in no way affliated with CBC and those Tornado comments are in poor taste. But the “F off” when someone other than your team is trying to help you is music to my ears. High level football SHOULD be physical with shit talking and disrespect. This isnt Tennis.

Plenty of area kids in SWMO are completely respectful, and play the game with respect. Let the play on the field do the talking. This is CBC culture. And it’s a attitude problem within the program. I’ve seen a taunt once around here and the kid was removed for a offensive series by the coach. The WR made a amazing catch and taunted the defender and the coach removed him for being a fool. There’s a time and place for being hyped. I have no issue with players celebrating. I think it’s silly they can’t in the NFL. So I’m by no means being pro “no fun”. But it’s not respectful or fun to see behavior like that being displayed.

 

[anon_o1osz027druk9]

It's not the jumping around and such that has Joplin people mad. It's the 5-6 roughing the passer or unsportsmanlike conduct penalties (out of the 10 total penalties CBC had in the 1st half), it's the targeting of our QB who was way away from the INT runback and driven to the ground causing a significant injury, it's the same player standing over the injured QB and taunting him, it's the CBC player telling a Joplin kid to F-off and slapping his hand away when the Joplin kid was trying to help him up, it's the taunting and flipping off the crowd on the way into the locker room at half. It's the things that one of the chain gang told me was being said on the sideline during the game, it's the head coach who called out same QB by name in a tweet, or the CBC "fans" commenting on the JET TV broadcast site that they were "destroying Joplin worse than the tornado did in 2011". That's what has the Joplin people upset.

Ya know I was really looking forward to seeing you guys play. I really was. Such talent on one team doesn't come along that often. But the way they acted left a really bad taste in my mouth. They were clearly the better team and they don't need to do that s#$% to win the game. Total lack of class.

Trust me if this is the new way of thinking and playing you can have it. I'll take old fashioned "rural" attitudes and our way of playing any day.

That’s what happens when the whole system is designed to get kids on the team for football. It’s a recruit/get the names out/sign at college operation. There’s really nothing going on there for these kids NOT to have inflated egos. It’s all about the the next level. The opposition doesn’t matter to them.

 

[JHS Radio Guy]

Football is often a double edged sword. The excessiveness, nastiest, and disrespect is a mentality. You have to be cut throat it isnt a gentlemans game. CBC being that way is probably part of the reason they’re that good. They’re bullies.

USUALLY a team takes on the characteristics of their HC. So maybe its a Joplin football thing they need to get tougher. For Example I cant imagine in a million years Webb City getting thrown around and complaining about excessive physicality. Thats how bullies play.


Im in no way affliated with CBC and those Tornado comments are in poor taste. But the “F off” when someone other than your team is trying to help you is music to my ears. High level football SHOULD be physical with shit talking and disrespect. This isnt Tennis.

Please. It's high school football fer chr#$%-sakes. Lol. You're such a tough guy. Joplin doesn't have a problem with physicality as long as it's clean. Cheap shots are another story and there were plenty of them. You're right. A team does take on the personality of it's head coach. That's why Joplin plays hard, clean, and with good sportsmanship. And if good sportsmanship is old fashioned and out of style then I guess I am an old fogie. If it is in fact the mentality of CBC's head coach to coach shit talking, excessiveness, cheap shots, disrespect, and "bullying" then I feel even worse about them. That's NOT the reason CBC is so good. We all know the reason and there is no denying it. But hey, OK, that's the way it is. Joplin will play anybody across the field from them. But the thing is CBC could beat everybody's asses doing it the right way. And gain respect around the state instead of everybody hating them. Give me Joplin's head coach and the way Joplin plays any day.

Trust me you all would "throw around" Webb as well. And if you all played them as dirty as you played us you most certainly would have heard about it.

High school football should most definitely NOT be played with shit talking and disrespect.