Big deal, If it had only been good for American manufacturing worker.NAFTA has been great for American farmers.
Big deal, If it had only been good for American manufacturing worker.NAFTA has been great for American farmers.
Big deal, If it had only been good for American manufacturing worker.
Farmers < manufacturers?Big deal, If it had only been good for American manufacturing worker.
Oh please. Let's exchange a gazillion dollars of wealth, and in return, we get migrant workers. Just a terrible post. I'm dumber having read this.Farmers < manufacturers?
Yes, we all assumed time stopped in 1994. Yes, it took a while to lose our manufacturing jobs. Blah, blah blah.You can't look at NAFTA without looking at the agricultural gains the US made as well. the net impact of NAFTA is not very big in the aggregate - but the winners and losers are different people.
NAFTA is a heck of a deal for American corn farmers, for instance.
Realistically, a lot of the jobs lost to NAFTA in manufacturing would also already have been lost to super low cost countries like China or to automation. Their analysis assumes the world would never have evolved from 1994.
Bernie would be better if among the eurosocialists.Bullit has turned into a repubpologist.
Wealth has been exchanged both ways. Hence why it is good for farmers.Oh please. Let's exchange a gazillion dollars of wealth, and in return, we get migrant workers. Just a terrible post. I'm dumber having read this.
I like magic too. It's a waste of time to discuss this with you. Ignore.Wealth has been exchanged both ways. Hence why it is good for farmers.
Did I miss the Pro-choice issue that leftist covet? Oh yes, babies yet to be born are not vulnerable. Go figure Bernie.Check out @SenSanders's Tweet:
Wealth has been exchanged both ways. Hence why it is good for farmers.
Wealth has been exchanged both ways. Hence why it is good for farmers.
Republicans are doing nothing about abortionDid I miss the Pro-choice issue that leftist covet? Oh yes, babies yet to be born are not vulnerable. Go figure Bernie.
Republicans are doing nothing about abortion
Republicans are doing nothing about abortion
Dem supported corporations? That's a stretch. Federal farm policy is a bipartisan affair driven by the heavy power historically held by rural legislators.Large corporation Farmers, the little mom and pop 80 acre farms are being driven out!! Dem supported Corporations come in buy all the land and run the little guy out.
Yes, it is. What do you think a trade deficit represents? It represents a trade of fiat currency dollars for goods and services of equivalent valueRunning a trade deficit is not equally exchanging wealth both ways.
The signs of U.S. decay are abundant:
1. Merchandise trade deficits of $750 billion each and every year.
2. Increasing national debt of $500 billion + every year.
3. Labor force participation percent peaked in 1999.
4. Median incomes stagnant. Only the top 20% are prospering from inflation of financial and real estate assets.
5. Economy growing at best at 2%.
6. Healthcare expenses growing at 5.8%, nearly 3x the economy.
7. More people living to be 90, fewer people being born.
8. Two states, Illinois and Maine, are in emergency session this weekend to avoid financial crises. More states will go under if the economy cools.
9. The industrial sector of our economy has been largely removed from the USA. The economy has narrowed its base.
For me, it is not comforting to extrapolate these trends forward for another 20 years. The USA government could become defunct in a single day if it can't service the debt it owes to China.
I don't think anybody will care about the looming collapse until it happens.
I didn't say equally, although I'd argue it's really hard for the wealthiest country by far on earth to run a trade surplus, NAFTA or not.Running a trade deficit is not equally exchanging wealth both ways.
Do you understand how good 2% growth is?The signs of U.S. decay are abundant:
1. Merchandise trade deficits of $750 billion each and every year.
2. Increasing national debt of $500 billion + every year.
3. Labor force participation percent peaked in 1999.
4. Median incomes stagnant. Only the top 20% are prospering from inflation of financial and real estate assets.
5. Economy growing at best at 2%.
6. Healthcare expenses growing at 5.8%, nearly 3x the economy.
7. More people living to be 90, fewer people being born.
8. Two states, Illinois and Maine, are in emergency session this weekend to avoid financial crises. More states will go under if the economy cools.
9. The industrial sector of our economy has been largely removed from the USA. The economy has narrowed its base.
For me, it is not comforting to extrapolate these trends forward for another 20 years. The USA government could become defunct in a single day if it can't service the debt it owes to China.
I don't think anybody will care about the looming collapse until it happens.
At the least, it would be extremely hard to do so while using your currency as the de facto global reserve currency, since the deficit is how we keep enough dollars out there.I didn't say equally, although I'd argue it's really hard for the wealthiest country by far on earth to run a trade surplus, NAFTA or not.
Repubs were all for naftaNeutron and Cowherd, I guess the only way to truly understand what the affects of Nafta were on the working man was to actually have been affected by it in someway or known somebody who was. It is obvious you two were not, and do not personally know anybody who was, so you are unable to understand it, thus to continue down this path with you two would be like trying to argue with a blind man on what color the sky was....
This proves the old saying... Recession is when your neighbor loses his job. Depression is when you lose yours. So until Nafta or some other Corporate Dem sponsored bill personally affects you two in some way you will blindly follow the Corp Dems leadership and be their sheep. But I want to make it clear... I am in no way endorsing the Pubs either, I just don't blindly follow the leaders of either party as I refuse to be a sheep. I just wish we truly had somebody that represented and truly cared about the republic and it's people.
Mitt Romney: "I want to keep America exceptional by selling it to China".Trump isn't.Repubs were all for nafta
Repubs were all for nafta
I take it you don't understand how bad it is! What has been the AVERAGE GDP growth over the last 40 yrs?Do you understand how good 2% growth is?
Trump is only a republican because he could have never been the nominee as a dem. He doesn't care one way or another about most issues important to either party.Mitt Romney: "I want to keep America exceptional by selling it to China".Trump isn't.
We don't have the population growth to sustain more than that, although again, 2% compounding is a powerful thing. $19k per person of GDP growth in one generation. That's a lot of money.I take it you don't understand how bad it is! What has been the AVERAGE GDP growth over the last 40 yrs?
It should be a law that all politicians should have to forfeit their pay if we don't get 3% growth.
This is meaningless without considering the change in working age population by year.I take it you don't understand how bad it is! What has been the AVERAGE GDP growth over the last 40 yrs?
It should be a law that all politicians should have to forfeit their pay if we don't get 3% growth.
There's also the matter that personal income is more important than GDP to the average person.We don't have the population growth to sustain more than that, although again, 2% compounding is a powerful thing. $19k per person of GDP growth in one generation. That's a lot of money.
I don't disagree with what you are saying here, but a lot of people blame NAFTA for things that aren't directly related to NAFTA, and they ignore the benefits that NAFTA had for others.Neutron and Cowherd, I guess the only way to truly understand what the affects of Nafta were on the working man was to actually have been affected by it in someway or known somebody who was. It is obvious you two were not, and do not personally know anybody who was, so you are unable to understand it, thus to continue down this path with you two would be like trying to argue with a blind man on what color the sky was....
This proves the old saying... Recession is when your neighbor loses his job. Depression is when you lose yours. So until Nafta or some other Corporate Dem sponsored bill personally affects you two in some way you will blindly follow the Corp Dems leadership and be their sheep. But I want to make it clear... I am in no way endorsing the Pubs either, I just don't blindly follow the leaders of either party as I refuse to be a sheep. I just wish we truly had somebody that represented and truly cared about the republic and it's people.
Absolutely. We should enact policy that makes sure that prosperity is widely shared.There's also the matter that personal income is more important than GDP to the average person.
This is meaningless without considering the change in working age population by year.
Our population was exploding in the 1950s and 1960s, of course growth was a lot higher.
It would be impressive if GDP grew at 3% for a 4 year Presidential term in the current world, yes.Hence I said the last forty years! The 50s and 60s were before that.
If the GDP grows at a 3-4% rate under Trump will he be a miracle worker then? Would that be bad since Obama couldn't do 2% with nowhere to go but up?
Hence I said the last forty years! The 50s and 60s were before that.
If the GDP grows at a 3-4% rate under Trump will he be a miracle worker then? Would that be bad since Obama couldn't do 2% with nowhere to go but up?