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BSS has to be above Fort O. I tend to agree the Fort would give them a game, and maybe beat them, but BSS is the undefeated Class 6 champion.. Not logical to put them below the one loss Class 5 champs...
Wow. WC has one bad game and now they are the 8th best team in the state. Kearney earned their title but I would think beating the likely Class 7 Arkansas champ on the road would count for something.
Not that it really matters but I think WC and Kearney are both a lot better than you give them credit for.
Not that it really matters but I think WC and Kearney are both a lot better than you give them credit for.
Probably right. Thompson factor is irresistable.
If the teams in this list played Webb City's schedule they'd all be undefeated, until maybe the Kearney state championship game. Not saying Webb's schedule is a joke, it's definitely not the suburban conference though.
With the exception of Har-Ber, yes. But I'd venture to guess that at least one of them would lose to Har-Ber, if for no other reason than the way they match up to them.
I'm going to catch it for this, I'm sure, but consider this the mandatory Lamar mention.
I know they had their one close call against MV-Liberty, but Lamar put up 56 points against Carl Junction, beating the Bulldogs by three TD's, so Lamar could at least compete in Class 4 (maybe Class 5...)
...note I said COMPETE, not win (though CJ did have the lead on Webb until only a couple minutes left in the game...)
I know they had their one close call against MV-Liberty, but Lamar put up 56 points against Carl Junction, beating the Bulldogs by three TD's, so Lamar could at least compete in Class 4 (maybe Class 5...)
...note I said COMPETE, not win (though CJ did have the lead on Webb until only a couple minutes left in the game...)
Most of them would lose to Har-Ber, possibly all of them.
They were down this year but look at Rockhurst. Lost to Blue Springs south by 10. WC and Har-Ber both beat them by 4 TDs and could have been by more.
I think WC could have been undefeated against BSS schedule this year. At least until the dome. Sure if WC went -4 in turnover margin in a game like the championship against Kearney they would lose to a team like Park Hill or Liberty North but that has happened once to WC in about the last 15 years.
The KC area class 6 teams besides BSS were not as good as Kickapoo and barely better than Joplin.
Joplin got beat by the 7seed blue springs. Kickapoo only beat Lee's Summit by 4. Kickapoo isn't going undefeated if they played a KC class 5/6 every week.. Neither is Webb. Its a little bit like Memphis.. Memphis beat a good SEC team in Ole Miss, but had they played the full SEC gauntlet, they are probably middle of the pack or maybe a little better.. I think Kickapoo would be middle of the pack, and Webb/Kearney would be good, but neither one is going undefeated against BSS schedule. Games like Webb played against Republic and Carl Junction, turn into losses against a class 6 schedule.
That said, I think Webb could make a run in class 6, and May have won a class 6 district, but it's nowhere near the lock that some think.
And the same goes for Lamar.. Lamar might be .500 against class 4 teams. I've watched Lamar in the at least 2 games a year for 5 years now, and this was their least impressive (not as good up front) in all 5 years. (Still an incredible team, don't get me wrong) but beating Carl Junction for the first time in their 5 year run, doesn't mean they could compete in class 4, and definitely not in class 5. Class 5 is laughable.
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Not sure what anyone at Kearney High did to BlizzardX but he is a Bulldogs hater. I do give him credit, though, for at least being honest about it.
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Have you seen Har-Ber play? Webb winning that one was very remarkable. It may be a good game but I would say the Wildcats would beat most everyone on Blizzard's list.
It would be more interesting to see a Webb City/Har-Ber matchup when Har-Ber had a few games under their belts. That was a week one game for them and a week 3 for Webb City. Nobody looks completely the same on week one as they do a few games in.
That's true, but on the flipside they were as healthy as they would be all season. Plus the added amperage of playing the first game in your brand new stadium, and I'd say that evens things up a bit. It was a great game, and either team could have won it. It's too bad the series is over, as I enjoyed going to the games.
Agree to disagree. WC playing the KC class 6 schools is not akin to Memphis in the SEC. Beating Rockhurst the last 2 years was no fluke. If anything a better comparison would be WC as one of the teams in the SEC and this year the Class 6 teams in the KC area except BSS were the SEC East. Most years you are probably correct, WC would not go through LSW, BS, RP etc without losing some games.
I think if anything Class 5 was superior to Class 6 this year in KC at the top with the possible exception on BSS and all evidence suggests it would be close.
.....but beating Carl Junction for the first time in their 5 year run, doesn't mean they could compete in class 4, and definitely not in class 5. Class 5 is laughable.
12 O line wins games, Today at 4:22 PM
Not arguing if they could compete or not, just clarifying that Lamar is 3-2 against CJ during their 5 year run.
12 O line wins games, Today at 4:22 PM
Not arguing if they could compete or not, just clarifying that Lamar is 3-2 against CJ during their 5 year run.
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There should be no argument in 2016: Chaminade vs. Park Hill in the Dome next November mark it down.
No argument. A step up will not slow them down. Too many athlete's. The rec. corps is a power forward combo and the Q is good. The defense nasty. Team speed is lights out. It took a big-time quarterback to knock them out, and kill their run. Playing Staley the week before took an emotional toll too.
Fort's run in class 5 is over. No way they make a run for a least 3 maybe 4 years. We've seen the last great Fort team for a while.
Good teams get knocked off by good teams. Teams that aren't challenged in the Playoffs tend to win big games at the Dome. ie 2014 Battle.
Quality Wins Class 4-6
- BSS 4
- FO 3
- PH 2
- Staley 2
- Liberty North 2
- WC 2
- Kearney 1
- CBC ?
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Top, I know you favor yourself as an expert, but PH will be a class 6 team next year.
Sorry, not a bulldog hater but I do know more than you. I appreciate some of your posts for they are insightful and thoughtful, but you're basically a homer with one interest and Kearney is your team.
BTW, Liberty North has the most returning of all the C5 teams. Perhaps it'll be LN Chaminade matchup if LN can survive Staley and new team that is up and coming.
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You haven't been around here long, have you? I was doing this long before you arrived here and have been watching HSFB since 1976. As for who "knows" more than others................I am consistently amazed at what I DON'T know and that is why I continue to follow this great sport. I usually find those who profess to know more find out otherwise over the long haul.
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Lamar would beat most class 3 and 4 teams in the state. Yes, they are that good.
I would agree with class 3, and wouldn't be shocked if they won a couple championships. Maybe even 2011-2013, but they wouldn't beat the majority of the competitive class 4 teams. Take out all the .500 or lowers and its a completely different topic. Valle would beat a few class 4 teams, but not the good ones. I do think Lamar would win a ton of class 3 games, and several class 4, but they wouldn't be competing for any championship's in class 4.
I agree with that. Memphis wasn't a great comparison, but it was the best I could think of lol
And don't get me wrong, I think Webb would be competing in class 6 every year, they just wouldn't have to runs they have had.
I agree with this, Lamar is a great team on a great run, but some of the top tier teams in class 3 and for sure class 4 would match up with them in size and speed...in those games it is anybodys guess who comes out and likely to be Lamar in some of them. Lamar is one of, if not the biggest, class 2 teams out there (enrollment) in a watered down class 1-3 group. There are so many smaller schools that would literally have to catch lightning in a bottle to even compete with some of these guys at the upper enrollment numbers. I would like for MSHSAA to drop the classes to 5 total and mix up the talent better. We have just seen too many teams (at the top of the enrollment numbers) go on runs for multiple years. Be curious to see how many teams that win state are at the top of the enrollment numbers year over year?
I guess I'm a bit confused ???
Is the argument that Webb and Kearney could not win a playoff spot in C5,C6 on "any" given year,or....
that neither could go undefeated in a higher KC metro class?
I totally disagree, Lamar would be a top 5 or 6 C4 program. I would consider that "competitive". Like most class 4 teams in SWMO they would probably fall to WC in districts or QF's but if they were C4 on on the other side of the state it is very realistic Lamar could meet WC at the dome, hypothetically of course. Do you not think Lamar would beat Cape Central this year? As for Lamar would "win a ton" of C3 games. You could make an compelling argument that Lamar would win all, especially this year, not that Lamar is that great I just think C3 was down a bit this year. You've got to understand many C3 finalists and semi-finalists come from the Big 8 and Lamar typically throttles those teams (not Cassville in 2011 and 2012 or Seneca in 2012).
I do think the 2015 year indicates that Kearney benefited from playing only 2 winning teams in the regular season going 1 and 1. Which, 500 isn't bad against real football teams, but had Kearney been the same class with Staley, Park Hill, Fort and LIberty North C5 they might not have made it out. We are two years removed from Kearney being a C5 team and they didn't make it out.
Most importantly remember, the quarterback was average, and the OL. RB and Defense were their strengths. Any average kid can QB that offense.
Taking nothing away from a huge C4 accomplishment, you can take several Kearney teams in years past that were better than the 2015 version. As for Webb's 2015 version they were not as good either, evidenced by losing to Kearney.
Keep in mind this WC team beat the best team in the state of Arkansas, on the road, with a starting QB leaving the game due to injury. WC didn't look their best in the dome when it counted most this year but over the course of the whole season this was one of WC's best teams. Probably the best to not win a title so I think you have to give a little more credit to Kearney in that regard. I realize that everyone remembers who wins the title but at times this WC team was a thing to behold.
I do think Kearney would have handled LN fairly easily had they not lost their starting QB. Turnovers hurt Kearney in that game just as it hurt WC in the championship. Bottom line 2 very good teams in the dome and Kearney made one more play when it mattered.
Kearney has a great defense. Their offensive line and RB's were a strength. Kearney ran the ball early against Webb defense, their best showing of the year. Kearney's back-up Q is not a drop off. Put him in the Webb game you wouldn't have noticed. A lot of things had to go right for Kearney to win the game. Catching the early momentum with a score off a turnover, Defense, Special teams, Turnovers, Big hits, blocking up front better than they've played all year ( they didn't turn it over). It was a masterpiece of timing. If Kearney has game goal board, Kearney checked off each categorey. This is what Kearney does best and rarely do they just blow you away with one or two weapons. They are a well coached good team.
As for the defense. Kearney is extremely good in the middle of their stack defense. The nose and mike are big strong physical kids that make that defense go. Their defensive coordinator is top notch and their staff has been together for many years. They are just an excellent well coached team. Better than Webb in my opinion. Particulary in two phases, defense and special teams.
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