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thetophat2021 said:
It is coming whether you like it or not. Privates will, like many other states, eventually split from publics in MO.
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MSHSAA will dissolve. Stay tuned.
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These two quotes here kinda stuck to me so I did some asking. No I don't know who @thetophat2021, but it seems he is either in direct connection with someone in Mshsaa or knows someone who is. Mr. tophat, would you care in indulge us with this sensitive matter possibly being discussed and voted on and the potentially legal action taken if it doesn't go the direction some want?
Don't leave us in the dark my man. You know something
 
MSHSAA dissolving seems far fetched....... but not implausible.

As far as the other I always felt that Privates playing Publics in Forced playoff competition could be a Possible Litigation circumstance.

In this day and age of Hyper vigilance on the violence of Football I'm surprised some Lawyer has not done a bit of Research on the Amount of College Football Player Recruited to Division 1, FCS, Division 11 from all the Private Schools making the Playoffs and then Compared those cumulative and comparable numbers to Public schools in the classes they compete in. And then Contact some Parents of Players who have been injured in those contest's and File a Class Action Suit against MSHSAA Board and MSHSAA Schools who voted to force playoff competition between the two Divergent groups of schools honing in on the Talent Disparity between the two and show casing that Some Private Schools field a roster full of future College Scholarship athletes and play teams that don't have more than a couple if any Full Ride players on their rosters.

If I've thought of this possible outcome I'm sure Other People have as well.

I think the Fear of litigation and the Bad Press could be enough to force the Split..... In truth it probably should of been done a long time ago.

All would be better if Publics played Publics in the Playoffs and the Privates Played Privates. In the Regular season if individual Schools decide to face each other on the Field then that is a local issue to be decided.

Everyone is Happy. Publics have a playoff and Privates fund and control their playoff system. As it should be. Simple, Clean and efficient for both parties.

I never have understood why the Privates are so heck bent on being in the Public playoff system? Seems strange unless they feel it gives them some shady advantage on multiple levels.
 
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Well the agrument can go both ways. Way are public schools so hell bent on being separate from private schools. I personally thing there are advantages and disadvantages on both sides the level the playing field more so than what some public schools and their supporters think.

Now that I’ve asked around and learned some new things I think it does happen and sooner than later.

However what comes next will create a lot of problems. Private schools know this is coming and are prepared. They will have litigation of their own, happily take their check from Mshsaa and completely walk away.
 
USArmyMike said:
Private schools know this is coming and are prepared. They will have litigation of their own, happily take their check from Mshsaa and completely walk away.
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Why are Public Schools heck bent on being separate.... Because to Many people as has been stated Some Private Schools are not on the up and up and do have a unfair advantage. Public Schools know that two different set of Rules are applied and even if the gulf is not that massive it still is a Point of Contention.

I also think there is some Class issues involved as well at the grass roots level...... Private Schools are Viewed as being Urban/Suburban Elitist and Upper Crust organizations. A lot of Blue Collar and Working Class People have a disdain for private schools separation and exclusion mantra, and that they formulate mercenary squads under the guise of helping the less privileged to then gain a unfair competitive advantage is just a beacon of the injustice they inflict on the working class.

I'm curious what type of Check that Private Schools can extract from Public schools in litigation? As non-public schools Private schools clearly are just Guest's.... Probably the Best Idea if the Privates do have a leg to stand on is to just vote and Put them in Class 6 or Let them be members and MSHSAA can put them in a separate class.

Didn't in 07 the courts rule that MSHSAA was within it's rights to Force the Privates out before the Votes where Cast? I do recall that Private Schools tried Litigation before and where not successful. I might be thinking of a different State Because I recall South Carolina being in a similar state.
 
A lot of the private schools are pretty much only playing other private or out of state teams now anyways, what would be different if they played their own playoff?

A quick look at schedules prior to playoffs
DeSmet, CBC - no in state public
MICDS, St Mary's, played 1 public
Vianney - 2 in state public
Cardinal Ritter played 4
 
MGHS said:
Why are Public Schools heck bent on being separate.... Because to Many people as has been stated Some Private Schools are not on the up and up and do have a unfair advantage. Public Schools know that two different set of Rules are applied and even if the gulf is not that massive it still is a Point of Contention.

I also think there is some Class issues involved as well at the grass roots level...... Private Schools are Viewed as being Urban/Suburban Elitist and Upper Crust organizations. A lot of Blue Collar and Working Class People have a disdain for private schools separation and exclusion mantra, and that they formulate mercenary squads under the guise of helping the less privileged to then gain a unfair competitive advantage is just a beacon of the injustice they inflict on the working class.

I'm curious what type of Check that Private Schools can extract from Public schools in litigation? As non-public schools Private schools clearly are just Guest's.... Probably the Best Idea if the Privates do have a leg to stand on is to just vote and Put them in Class 6 or Let them be members and MSHSAA can put them in a separate class.

Didn't in 07 the courts rule that MSHSAA was within it's rights to Force the Privates out before the Votes where Cast? I do recall that Private Schools tried Litigation before and where not successful. I might be thinking of a different State Because I recall South Carolina being in a similar state.
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Eight states separate, and 20 states have multipliers. It isn't some conspiracy of the proletariat...it has to do with fairness in competition. Florida, Maryland, Texas, Miss, New York, New Jersey, NC are all states to provide separate categories.

Partly it is because on the fringe you have the Trinity and Cardinal Ritter B.S. Treating high school football like it is a an all-star showcase youth league. More about the ego of the dudes putting it together. Bishop Sycamore nonsense. A few bad eggs make the whole system looked like a stacked joke.
 
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USArmyMike said:
These two quotes here kinda stuck to me so I did some asking. No I don't know who @thetophat2021, but it seems he is either in direct connection with someone in Mshsaa or knows someone who is. Mr. tophat, would you care in indulge us with this sensitive matter possibly being discussed and voted on and the potentially legal action taken if it doesn't go the direction some want?
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Listen all you have todo is go out and just listen to a few local public school boards, administration and AD's along with coaches to know many are not happy with what is going on with MSHSAA and some private schools. I don't think you can lump all Private schools as not all have a win at whatever cost and put athletic glory over education and some privates are just as frustrated as publics.

There was a thread on here several years ago about this very same thing, I remember back then somebody wrote that MSHSAA doesn't have the teeth todo what they want to do because many state legislation kids attend private schools and they won't allow it. I have tried to find that thread but cannot. It was very interesting.
 
USArmyMike said:
These two quotes here kinda stuck to me so I did some asking. No I don't know who @thetophat2021, but it seems he is either in direct connection with someone in Mshsaa or knows someone who is. Mr. tophat, would you care in indulge us with this sensitive matter possibly being discussed and voted on and the potentially legal action taken if it doesn't go the direction some want?
Don't leave us in the dark my man. You know something
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Don't confuse a confident post with a competent one.
 
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Eight states separate, and 20 states have multipliers. It isn't some conspiracy of the proletariat...it has to do with fairness in competition. Florida, Maryland, Texas, Miss, New York, New Jersey, NC are all states to provide separate categories.

Partly it is because on the fringe you have the Trinity and Cardinal Ritter B.S. Treating high school football like it is a an all-star showcase youth league. More about the ego of the dudes putting it together. Bishop Sycamore nonsense. A few bad eggs make the whole system looked like a stacked joke.
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Pretty sure Tennessee separates private and public schools
 
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bullitpdq68 said:
Listen all you have todo is go out and just listen to a few local public school boards, administration and AD's along with coaches to know many are not happy with what is going on with MSHSAA and some private schools. I don't think you can lump all Private schools as not all have a win at whatever cost and put athletic glory over education and some privates are just as frustrated as publics.

There was a thread on here several years ago about this very same thing, I remember back then somebody wrote that MSHSAA doesn't have the teeth todo what they want to do because many state legislation kids attend private schools and they won't allow it. I have tried to find that thread but cannot. It was very interesting.
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The biggest libtards I knew from college all have their kids in private school. Hmmm? Good enough for thee, but not for me.
 
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The biggest libtards I knew from college all have their kids in private school. Hmmm? Good enough for thee, but not for me.
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LOL, I don't think political affiliation has anything todo with the choose of sending your child to private or public.

One of my kids attend private all the other went or go to public it was just the right choose for them. And I can certainly tell you I see more don't tread on me and Trump 24 bumper stickers on the parking lot than Liberal. Many go there because they feel public indoctrinates thier kids.
 
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USArmyMike said:
These two quotes here kinda stuck to me so I did some asking. No I don't know who @thetophat2021, but it seems he is either in direct connection with someone in Mshsaa or knows someone who is. Mr. tophat, would you care in indulge us with this sensitive matter possibly being discussed and voted on and the potentially legal action taken if it doesn't go the direction some want?
Don't leave us in the dark my man. You know something
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Nope. That was a sarcasm comment, sir. Now as for my contention I could go to work for them and help a whole bunch YES that would be a serious comment. Thanks.................
 
MGHS said:
MSHSAA dissolving seems far fetched....... but not implausible.

As far as the other I always felt that Privates playing Publics in Forced playoff competition could be a Possible Litigation circumstance.

In this day and age of Hyper vigilance on the violence of Football I'm surprised some Lawyer has not done a bit of Research on the Amount of College Football Player Recruited to Division 1, FCS, Division 11 from all the Private Schools making the Playoffs and then Compared those cumulative and comparable numbers to Public schools in the classes they compete in. And then Contact some Parents of Players who have been injured in those contest's and File a Class Action Suit against MSHSAA Board and MSHSAA Schools who voted to force playoff competition between the two Divergent groups of schools honing in on the Talent Disparity between the two and show casing that Some Private Schools field a roster full of future College Scholarship athletes and play teams that don't have more than a couple if any Full Ride players on their rosters.

If I've thought of this possible outcome I'm sure Other People have as well.

I think the Fear of litigation and the Bad Press could be enough to force the Split..... In truth it probably should of been done a long time ago.

All would be better if Publics played Publics in the Playoffs and the Privates Played Privates. In the Regular season if individual Schools decide to face each other on the Field then that is a local issue to be decided.

Everyone is Happy. Publics have a playoff and Privates fund and control their playoff system. As it should be. Simple, Clean and efficient for both parties.

I never have understood why the Privates are so heck bent on being in the Public playoff system? Seems strange unless they feel it gives them some shady advantage on multiple levels.
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The current state of privates vs. publics in MO all but demands they eventually split. Only time will tell on that matter.
 
Cards1968 said:
You get owned in one thread so you blatantly call out another poster making this thread on a different topic? Geeze dude.
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All good here. USArmyMike would have better luck trying to bend steel than dent me. I was having a little fun saying MSHSAA would go away (opinion is it needs to at a minimum be overhauled) but was more serious about privates vs. publics because the disparity in some areas is crazy (I am far more concerned about STL publics than over this way by the way we don't "fear" playing any of them - see Smithville this year and Lamar last year).
 
bullitpdq68 said:
LOL, I don't think political affiliation has anything todo with the choose of sending your child to private or public.

One of my kids attend private all the other went or go to public it was just the right choose for them. And I can certainly tell you I see more don't tread on me and Trump 24 bumper stickers on the parking lot than Liberal. Many go there because they feel public indoctrinates thier kids.
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Individual choice agree.................
 
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I dont understand the MSHSAA dissolving thing? Why is the current system leading to that eventually? Help us ignorant BFE people out
 
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bullitpdq68 said:
LOL, I don't think political affiliation has anything todo with the choose of sending your child to private or public.

One of my kids attend private all the other went or go to public it was just the right choose for them. And I can certainly tell you I see more don't tread on me and Trump 24 bumper stickers on the parking lot than Liberal. Many go there because they feel public indoctrinates thier kids.
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Most of my super liberal friends from college don't do private school because they don't like religion and most private schools are religious. But they did buy homes in Brookside or wherever while mocking the racist white flight urban sprawl that everyone else was buying.

But when they had kids one by one they quietly bought homes in Kearney or Grain Valley when faced with the choice of putting their kids in KCPS or paying for private school. Only one couple I know is still in their liberal (springfield) neighborhood but they told me not long ago they desperately want to move out of the city but are afraid it will send the wrong message because they were such vocal proponents of SPS prior to having kids enrolled...so they feel like they have to "tough it out".

In this area almost everyone I know with kids in private school is religion/fear of indoctrination/fear of your kids being contaminated by the wrong crowd.

In St Louis it seems like it's more of a social status thing.
 
Pancho and Lefty said:
A lot of the private schools are pretty much only playing other private or out of state teams now anyways, what would be different if they played their own playoff?

A quick look at schedules prior to playoffs
DeSmet, CBC - no in state public
MICDS, St Mary's, played 1 public
Vianney - 2 in state public
Cardinal Ritter played 4
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The problem will be the private schools outside the major cities. Valle I think played all pubilc schools except maybe 1 or 2. College Heights plays 8 man and played all public schools and was 1-8. Of course it was their first year. But still.

I would love to see privates split into their own division or two for purposes of playoffs in every sport.
 
MSHSAA taking over all revenue streams from schools come playoff time without providing ANY support other than a top notch pirate stream sniffer is the biggest slap in the face to the membership I can ever remember. While it's doubtful they are kicked to the curb they sure have earned that with their recent actions. Don't see this in the other states I've lived in. Here in Mississippi you can still watch all the championship games on brodcast tv with rabbit ears and any playoff game for free online if either school has a crew.
 
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If the St. Louis area public schools weren't trash, this discussion would be a little less quiet.
 
Cards1968 said:
MSHSAA taking over all revenue streams from schools come playoff time without providing ANY support other than a top notch pirate stream sniffer is the biggest slap in the face to the membership I can ever remember. While it's doubtful they are kicked to the curb they sure have earned that with their recent actions. Don't see this in the other states I've lived in. Here in Mississippi you can still watch all the championship games on brodcast tv with rabbit ears and any playoff game for free online if either school has a crew.
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Don't forget the mandatory digital ticket thing. I saw quite a few people getting frustrated, showing up with only cash, having trouble getting the link to work, or not having a smart phone that just wanted to watch a high school football game and couldn't. Mostly boomers and older people mind you. I think some ended up just leaving. I felt really bad for the volunteers working the gate, probably half the people walking up to the gate did not know about the digital tickets. It was just utter nonsense that served absolutely no one except MSHSAA and their ticket vendor partner.
 
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Don't forget the mandatory digital ticket thing. I saw quite a few people getting frustrated, showing up with only cash, having trouble getting the link to work, or not having a smart phone that just wanted to watch a high school football game and couldn't. Mostly boomers and older people mind you. I think some ended up just leaving. I felt really bad for the volunteers working the gate, probably half the people walking up to the gate did not know about the digital tickets. It was just utter nonsense that served absolutely no one except MSHSAA and their ticket vendor partner.
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I ran into this at both Liberty North and Smithville. The war on cash............
 
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Don't forget the mandatory digital ticket thing. I saw quite a few people getting frustrated, showing up with only cash, having trouble getting the link to work, or not having a smart phone that just wanted to watch a high school football game and couldn't. Mostly boomers and older people mind you. I think some ended up just leaving. I felt really bad for the volunteers working the gate, probably half the people walking up to the gate did not know about the digital tickets. It was just utter nonsense that served absolutely no one except MSHSAA and their ticket vendor partner.
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That is because MSHSAA can make extra money off tickets and they do not have to pay workers to take cash at sites. A win-win situation for them. Money of the online sales should be applied to free streaming for all.
 
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