Should third place games be eliminated by the MSHSAA

[shamrock2011]

The only parties that should be posed with the question of eliminating the 3rd place games are the coaches and players. Fans who try to chime in on this subject have not practiced all year, have not put in the countless hours it takes to be able to even put yourself in a position to compete at the level of a Final Four. You guys who say its meaningless are out of touch with reality. You should not talk about a subject that only concerns kids/coaches and the schools they represent.

As for Sikeston fans, they thrive on internet forums, win or lose. If Sikeston loses to Vashon, it's primarily because Vashon is allowed to draw from a bigger area. If Sikeston loses in a situation where they have to play back to back it's because the game the night before was "more intense" than the opponents contest was. Sikeston fans. You have one of the best programs in the entire state. You have one of the best coaching staffs in the entire state. Stop making them look bad by offering up excuse after excuse. You lost. That's it. Period, end of story.

 

[metro-dude]

I find some of these posts to be comedic in nature; who ACTUALLY goes to state wishing to play in a 3rd place game? The players and coaches ARE NOT ROBOTS!!! If you play in a semifinal game that ends in heartbreak, you aren't going to just wake up and say, "Hey, that game is over, let's win the next one." Do you really think Sikeston was focused on playing Helias after losing an overtime game to Vashon 69-66? Do you really think that Lees Summit was focused on SLUH after losing to Kickapoo 12 hours prior? We have posters saying that something must be wrong with the players if they are not ready to play a 3rd place game and something must be wrong if a coach if he can't motivate a team to "get up" for a 3rd place game. Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaan, PLEASE!!! If that is your opinion then you haven't lost something that you wanted more than anything in your life.

The 3rd place game only benefits the team that gets blasted in a semifinal game because they wake up believing that "We are better than that" and "We have one last chance to show people how good we are and that we belong." MSHSAA doesn't even take the game seriously because how can you have teams on less than 12 hours of rest and preparation play a 3rd place game. A team may finish a loss at 9pm on Thursday night and have to play the 3rd place game on Friday at noon, that's a joke! If MSHSAA was really serious about the 3rd place game, they would play it right before the championship game in their class. If not for repercussions from the school district and MSHSAA, I can almost guarantee teams would pass on playing a 3rd place game. Also, for the record, if Sikeston would have played Helias in ANY OTHER SETTING besides the 3rd place game, they would have beat them by 15-20 points EASILY.

I usually attend the Christmas Tournament @ Meramec each year. I'm guessing you are in favor of not having a third place game or a consolation bracket in high school tournaments during the basketball season.

I find your statement about Sikeston being able to defeat Jeff City Helias by 15-20 points out of line ( It deminishes the great effort by Helias ).

 

[Neutron Monster]

I usually attend the Christmas Tournament @ Meramec each year. I'm guessing you are in favor of not having a third place game or a consolation bracket in high school tournaments during the basketball season.

I find your statement about Sikeston being able to defeat Jeff City Helias by 15-20 points out of line ( It deminishes the great effort by Helias ).

It's not a reasonable comparison, MD. Tournies are usually guaranteeing teams X number of games to get them to show up, and they have far more than a 3rd place game - they have loser's brackets and so on. And no one's season is over then - lots of teams want the games as practice to get better.

 

[freezeoption]

I like the 3rd place games, this year in 1,2,3 it was not as exciting as it has been in the past, but I still enjoyed them, I think if they get rid of third place games they should have a semi final game somewhere else and then it is just the championships at mu

 

[Neutron Monster]

I like the 3rd place games, this year in 1,2,3 it was not as exciting as it has been in the past, but I still enjoyed them, I think if they get rid of third place games they should have a semi final game somewhere else and then it is just the championships at mu

I don't disagree with where you are coming from here due to travel for the teams and cost to MSHSAA, but there is something to be said for giving 4 teams the chance to play at Mizzou.

 

[Rocket689]

The only parties that should be posed with the question of eliminating the 3rd place games are the coaches and players. Fans who try to chime in on this subject have not practiced all year, have not put in the countless hours it takes to be able to even put yourself in a position to compete at the level of a Final Four. You guys who say its meaningless are out of touch with reality. You should not talk about a subject that only concerns kids/coaches and the schools they represent.

As for Sikeston fans, they thrive on internet forums, win or lose. If Sikeston loses to Vashon, it's primarily because Vashon is allowed to draw from a bigger area. If Sikeston loses in a situation where they have to play back to back it's because the game the night before was "more intense" than the opponents contest was. Sikeston fans. You have one of the best programs in the entire state. You have one of the best coaching staffs in the entire state. Stop making them look bad by offering up excuse after excuse. You lost. That's it. Period, end of story.

Shamrock....the only reason we Sikeston fans chimed in was because someone asked why we got beat. Two of us offered our opinions why Sikeston lost to Helias. Now, after being asked our opinions we are now said to be whining and offering excuses. It can't be both ways....

And, yes....I totally agree with you. We have one of the best programs in the state and one of the best coaching staffs. And we are very passionate about both.

 

[metro-dude]

Shamrock....the only reason we Sikeston fans chimed in was because someone asked why we got beat. Two of us offered our opinions why Sikeston lost to Helias. Now, after being asked our opinions we are now said to be whining and offering excuses. It can't be both ways....

And, yes....I totally agree with you. We have one of the best programs in the state and one of the best coaching staffs. And we are very passionate about both.

Rocket, The Sikeston Bulldogs won class 4 district one by defeating Cape Central 21-7

Sectional----Defeated St. Genevieve 17-12
Quarters----Defeated Parkway West 23-6
Semi-Finals-------Lost--Vashon 26-4
Third Place-------Lost---Helias--20-10

There were 96 teams in class 4 this year. Sikeston was awarded 4th place and will be in the MSHSAA record book forever. That is a great honor to be one of the top four teams in class 4. The Sikeston Bulldogs will remember this final four the rest of their life. Rocket, what life long lesson will follow each Bulldog player as they grow into adulthood? I can still remember my shot in the state tournament just like it was yesterday. The thing I remember most was I wanted to be basketball coach just like my high school coach. His name was Bob Edwards.

 

[mowesten]

The only parties that should be posed with the question of eliminating the 3rd place games are the coaches and players. Fans who try to chime in on this subject have not practiced all year, have not put in the countless hours it takes to be able to even put yourself in a position to compete at the level of a Final Four. You guys who say its meaningless are out of touch with reality. You should not talk about a subject that only concerns kids/coaches and the schools they represent.

So ... the only people who can have an opinion about whether or not basketball players should wear shoes is the players, since the rest of us aren't playing.

 

[3Rfan]

3Rfan, You should stop reading all post made by me if you are having problems and can't stand it any more however sometimes taking a " Deep Breath " could help your situation. I want no part of adding to your problems.

It's still a loss, not a lose. It ain't that tough.

 

[shamrock2011]

MoWestern-Duh! The fact that you question this shows your ignorance. Of course you can have an opinion with your buddies or on a message board or whatever. But to act as if your opinion should hold more weight than the opinions of those who are directly involved is comical.

Rocket-I understand you gave an opinion. That is fine. My response was my opinion about what you guys opinion. Also, being passionate as a fan doesn't change whether or not you make yourself or your program look badly.

 

[Rufus R. Jones]

You guys who say its meaningless are out of touch with reality.

Someone can have an opinion that does not agree with yours. It's a difficult, adult concept to come to grips with, but I'm confident you can do it.

 

[Rocket689]

I'll say this one more time... I'll type slowly so everyone can read it slowly and comprehend it. The Sikeston fans were asked to give our reasoning why the Dogs didn't play well against Helias. We gave Helias TONS of credit. They are a very good team. But, after we posted our response, we were told we were whining. That's my only beef... If you don't want to really know our thoughts, don't ask.

I get that there will be others who don't share my opinion. That's fine. Just don't call it whining when we only have our opinions when asked.

 

[metro-dude]

I'll say this one more time... I'll type slowly so everyone can read it slowly and comprehend it. The Sikeston fans were asked to give our reasoning why the Dogs didn't play well against Helias. We gave Helias TONS of credit. They are a very good team. But, after we posted our response, we were told we were whining. That's my only beef... If you don't want to really know our thoughts, don't ask.

I get that there will be others who don't share my opinion. That's fine. Just don't call it whining when we only have our opinions when asked.

I visited with two former basketball players today who played in a third place game back in 1976. They shared with me their feeling about losing in the semi-finals the night before. They were the favorites going into the semi-finals. Their pride were damaged and their feeling were @ an all time low. Their parents were disappointed as well. The next morning, things were much better but not like it was before the the semi-final game. At the meeting before the third place game, the senior leadership started making statement to the team like ( Look how far we have come and do we want to end our high school careers without a superior effort ). Another player said, we are in a position that others wish they were in and we are down here feeling sorry for ourselves.

Before leaving the lock room for pre-game warm ups-The senior leadership spoke to the team again and ask the final question--What's it gonna be--" The coaches have worked hard for us all year, we have worked hard, My parents are in the stands, some of our teachers are here for us, some of the teams we defeated on our way to the final four are here, many of our classmates are here "-The team leaders said, one more time, What's it gonna be---The players started doing high fives-- team behavior started returning to pre-season levels. As we were leaving the locker room, Mike Kirby and Rob Bazzell came to me and said, Coach Fisher, you and Coach Wacker deserve more then we can ever give back to you. We are going to take McCluer out early so every team member will have the opportunity to play on the University of Missouri's floor.

The above was the 1976 class 4 ( Only 4 classes back then ) finals in Columbia, Missouri

Semi-Finals

St. Charles------------
St. Louis Central-----St. Louis Central won this game by 1 or 3 points

St. Louis McCluer
Kansas City Center---Kansas City Center won this one

Third Place

St. Charles-------------70
St. Louis McCluer----55

Championship Game

Kansas City Center-----66
St. Louis Central--------54

The St. Charles 1976 team was filled with Competitors not only in basketball but a superior effort has continue into adulthood. Four of the top five players on the 1976 team played college basketball.

1. Ken Stenier--St. Louis metro player of the year--Basketball scholarship @ the University of Missouri-1977
2. Rick Fuerman--Played 4 years @ University of Missouri @ Rolla
3. Mike Kirby------All State--Schoarship @ SEMO State
4. Rob Bazzell----Scholarship @ Missouri Baptist

I disagree with Rocket on this one but I'm more old school and still think it should be an honor to represent your school with effort. I believe a player should compete @ a high level when on the basketball floor and if he or she can't do that, take a seat and let someone else play.

I feel certain Rocket, Rocketbro and me will be friends once we meet but we sure disagree on this one.

 

[Rocket689]

Metro...I don't think we disagree.

 

[MFloyd]

I visited with two former basketball players today who played in a third place game back in 1976. They shared with me their feeling about losing in the semi-finals the night before. They were the favorites going into the semi-finals. Their pride were damaged and their feeling were @ an all time low. Their parents were disappointed as well. The next morning, things were much better but not like it was before the the semi-final game. At the meeting before the third place game, the senior leadership started making statement to the team like ( Look how far we have come and do we want to end our high school careers without a superior effort ). Another player said, we are in a position that others wish they were in and we are down here feeling sorry for ourselves.

Before leaving the lock room for pre-game warm ups-The senior leadership spoke to the team again and ask the final question--What's it gonna be--" The coaches have worked hard for us all year, we have worked hard, My parents are in the stands, some of our teachers are here for us, some of the teams we defeated on our way to the final four are here, many of our classmates are here "-The team leaders said, one more time, What's it gonna be---The players started doing high fives-- team behavior started returning to pre-season levels. As we were leaving the locker room, Mike Kirby and Rob Bazzell came to me and said, Coach Fisher, you and Coach Wacker deserve more then we can ever give back to you. We are going to take McCluer out early so every team member will have the opportunity to play on the University of Missouri's floor.

The above was the 1976 class 4 ( Only 4 classes back then ) finals in Columbia, Missouri

Semi-Finals

St. Charles------------
St. Louis Central-----St. Louis Central won this game by 1 or 3 points

St. Louis McCluer
Kansas City Center---Kansas City Center won this one

Third Place

St. Charles-------------70
St. Louis McCluer----55

Championship Game

Kansas City Center-----66
St. Louis Central--------54

The St. Charles 1976 team was filled with Competitors not only in basketball but a superior effort has continue into adulthood. Four of the top five players on the 1976 team played college basketball.

1. Ken Stenier--St. Louis metro player of the year--Basketball scholarship @ the University of Missouri-1977
2. Rick Fuerman--Played 4 years @ University of Missouri @ Rolla
3. Mike Kirby------All State--Schoarship @ SEMO State
4. Rob Bazzell----Scholarship @ Missouri Baptist

I disagree with Rocket on this one but I'm more old school and still think it should be an honor to represent your school with effort. I believe a player should compete @ a high level when on the basketball floor and if he or she can't do that, take a seat and let someone else play.

I feel certain Rocket, Rocketbro and me will be friends once we meet but we sure disagree on this one.

Are you insinuating something metro or just telling a story?

 

[metro-dude]

Are you insinuating something metro or just telling a story?

mfloyd, this is a true story. The players names, scores and dates are also real. Did you like the true story and how successful these player became?

 

[MFloyd]

Great story. Sounds like it was a great team. Four players went on to play college basketball with one going to Mizzou. There's quite a bit of talent there.

 

[msubearssuperfan1]

Since it might be the only way for Glendale to ever win in Columbia, I SAY KEEP IT!

 

[metro-dude]

Great story. Sounds like it was a great team. Four players went on to play college basketball with one going to Mizzou. There's quite a bit of talent there.

Ken Stenier was very talented--Norm Stewart run him off after two years.Ken ended his basketball career with a adegree @ Missouri Southern
Rick Fuerman finished his engineering degree @ Rolla and became an oil man in Texas.
Rob Bazzell finished his masters and now owns a mortgage loan company in St. Charles
Mike Kirby- ( All State ) is now a home builder in the Troy area.

There was a " Pledge for life " agreement between players and staff. Keep in contact and if you need help, make the call and get help. One of my former players lives in Sikeston, Mo. His name is Norman Cole, you see him every week @ the YMCA. Norman Cole has the " Pledge for Life " with me.

 

[nwhoopsfan]

Keep the 3rd place games. If a team can't bounce back and play hard in that game then they just lose 2 in a row. Life is all about learning to overcome adversity.

As far as the Helias/Sikeston game goes, I was impressed with Helias. Sikeston's pressure didn't bother them. They spread the floor and moved the ball where it needed to go. In the half court, Helias picked apart the Sikeston zone with great passing.

 

[Rufus R. Jones]

We're Number 3! We're Number 3! We're Number 3!

 

[metro-dude]

We're Number 3! We're Number 3! We're Number 3!

Rufus, Would We're number 3----be better then We're number 4 in your world? The third place game in any tournament is a " Pride Game " for Competitors.

 

[Rufus R. Jones]

Rufus, Would We're number 3----be better then We're number 4 in your world? The third place game in any tournament is a " Pride Game " for Competitors.

No, they're both equally as irrelevant in my world.
If the loser's bracket wants to fight to the death, let them do it elsewhere, and move the championships to the day after the semis, so that we don't have to spend a day hanging out in Columbia waiting for the championships!

 

[Chalk Talk]

YES, there should be a 3rd place game. It's about the players, period. The players have practiced and put in countless hours over the course of the season. If you don't want to watch the 3rd place game, then don't. As for motivation? It's a coach's job to motivate players to play. Like someone earlier said, there are only two teams that finish the season on a win, the State Champion and the 3rd Place winner.

 

[Rufus R. Jones]

YES, there should be a 3rd place game. It's about the players, period. The players have practiced and put in countless hours over the course of the season. If you don't want to watch the 3rd place game, then don't. As for motivation? It's a coach's job to motivate players to play. Like someone earlier said, there are only two teams that finish the season on a win, the State Champion and the 3rd Place winner.

Every year, I spend the spring wondering who the 5th best, 7th best, and 9th best teams in each class are...I just don't like not knowing. Also, it's not fair that those kids on what would be those teams don't get to play one last game together and represent their school. It would be so much fun.
Also, I wonder why NCAA and pro sports don't have consolation rounds? I'm sure the players and coaches would have fun, and, of course, it would be very intriguing and drama-filled TV viewing.

 

[Chalk Talk]

Every year, I spend the spring wondering who the 5th best, 7th best, and 9th best teams in each class are...I just don't like not knowing. Also, it's not fair that those kids on what would be those teams don't get to play one last game together and represent their school. It would be so much fun.
Also, I wonder why NCAA and pro sports don't have consolation rounds? I'm sure the players and coaches would have fun, and, of course, it would be very intriguing and drama-filled TV viewing.

This isn't collegiate or professional sports. Collegiate sports has the NIT and the CIT tournaments. So yes, college basketball has two separate tournaments that are played outside of the "Big Dance." I couldn't even tell you who is playing in the NIT or the CIT tournaments but they are a form of consolation tournaments for those who didn't make the "Big Dance". I don't sit around either and wonder who is the 5th best and so on. But I will watch a good basketball game. Let the game be played. If you don't want to watch, then don't. Don't compare High School Sports with Collegiate or Professional levels.

 

[Rufus R. Jones]

This isn't collegiate or professional sports. Collegiate sports has the NIT and the CIT tournaments. So yes, college basketball has two separate tournaments that are played outside of the "Big Dance." I couldn't even tell you who is playing in the NIT or the CIT tournaments but they are a form of consolation tournaments for those who didn't make the "Big Dance". I don't sit around either and wonder who is the 5th best and so on. But I will watch a good basketball game. Let the game be played. If you don't want to watch, then don't. Don't compare High School Sports with Collegiate or Professional levels.

The NIT is not a consolation bracket. A consolation bracket would include teams that have already lost in the NCAA Tournament. I can't believe CBS or ESPN haven't pushed for it, viewers would love it, and more importantly, so would the players- and that's what it's really about is the players.
So, are you interested in my idea of placing 10 teams or not? I think it would be fun.

 

[Chalk Talk]

The NIT is not a consolation bracket. A consolation bracket would include teams that have already lost in the NCAA Tournament. I can't believe CBS or ESPN haven't pushed for it, viewers would love it, and more importantly, so would the players- and that's what it's really about is the players.
So, are you interested in my idea of placing 10 teams or not? I think it would be fun.

I would call both of those tournaments "Consolation Tournaments." No one watches the selection shows for the NIT or the CIT. Both those tournaments are teams who "did not make the NCAA tournament." So if you don't call that consolation than I don't know what is. As for placing 10 teams, we are talking about High School Athletics and a 3rd place game for two teams who made it to the "Big House" or "Big Stage" whatever you want to call it. Let them play the 3rd place game. If a player can't get up for a 3rd place game, then I would question the player's self motivation issues. Teams/players get up for games all season long. I don't see why you couldn't get up for a 3rd place game. Goes with the new generation of entitlement of, "If I can't have what I want, then I won't have anything." "If I don't play for 1st, then I don't want to play at all." Real nice.

 

[Neutron Monster]

This isn't collegiate or professional sports. Collegiate sports has the NIT and the CIT tournaments. So yes, college basketball has two separate tournaments that are played outside of the "Big Dance." I couldn't even tell you who is playing in the NIT or the CIT tournaments but they are a form of consolation tournaments for those who didn't make the "Big Dance". I don't sit around either and wonder who is the 5th best and so on. But I will watch a good basketball game. Let the game be played. If you don't want to watch, then don't. Don't compare High School Sports with Collegiate or Professional levels.

The NIT and CIT exist to make money for the college basketball programs who participate in them. They are not a justification for anything related to HS basketball

 

[Neutron Monster]

I would call both of those tournaments "Consolation Tournaments." No one watches the selection shows for the NIT or the CIT. Both those tournaments are teams who "did not make the NCAA tournament." So if you don't call that consolation than I don't know what is. As for placing 10 teams, we are talking about High School Athletics and a 3rd place game for two teams who made it to the "Big House" or "Big Stage" whatever you want to call it. Let them play the 3rd place game. If a player can't get up for a 3rd place game, then I would question the player's self motivation issues. Teams/players get up for games all season long. I don't see why you couldn't get up for a 3rd place game. Goes with the new generation of entitlement of, "If I can't have what I want, then I won't have anything." "If I don't play for 1st, then I don't want to play at all." Real nice.

You've played for 4 months to win a title. That dream is over. Is it really shocking that someone might not be fired up to play a consolation game 24 hours later?

You just played 5 games that were life or death for your team. Those games mattered. They were your road to the title. Losing a semifinal game is crushing. Let's not pretend it's all about the love of the game. People like winning and competing for a title. Once that is over, the game has changed to many players.

This is the entire reason the NCAA canceled the 3rd place game 35 years ago. Teams didn't want to stick around and play a meaningless game once the entire rationale for their season had ended. Don't start with some nonsense about the "new generation."

 

[ag-man]

PLEASE keep the 3rd place games on Friday. What in the world would I do waiting on the championship games on Saturday, go shopping with the wife?

 

[Chalk Talk]

You've played for 4 months to win a title. That dream is over. Is it really shocking that someone might not be fired up to play a consolation game 24 hours later?

You just played 5 games that were life or death for your team. Those games mattered. They were your road to the title. Losing a semifinal game is crushing. Let's not pretend it's all about the love of the game. People like winning and competing for a title. Once that is over, the game has changed to many players.

This is the entire reason the NCAA canceled the 3rd place game 35 years ago. Teams didn't want to stick around and play a meaningless game once the entire rationale for their season had ended. Don't start with some nonsense about the "new generation."

You are correct, the 3rd place game was eliminated from the NCAA Tournament years ago. As I have said before, this is NOT the NCAA. These are high school kids playing high school basketball. I want to win more than anyone out there. If kids make it to the Final 4, give them two games. If u are bored and don't want to watch a "3rd Place Game," then don't come. Let the kids get another game in.

As for your generation comeback. Yes, we are in an entitlement generation. Burger King mentality, "Have it my way." "I want 1st or I just won't play." The 3rd place game has been in place for years and years. Your reference is to the collegiate game. These are NOT collegiate players. Most HS players will not play college sports (less than 2%). Let them play two games on a college gym floor. Get a chance to win the last game of the season outside of the championship game. I agree, the championship game is the greatest. The kids earned a trip to the Final 4, give them another game.

 

[Neutron Monster]

You are correct, the 3rd place game was eliminated from the NCAA Tournament years ago. As I have said before, this is NOT the NCAA. These are high school kids playing high school basketball. I want to win more than anyone out there. If kids make it to the Final 4, give them two games. If u are bored and don't want to watch a "3rd Place Game," then don't come. Let the kids get another game in.

As for your generation comeback. Yes, we are in an entitlement generation. Burger King mentality, "Have it my way." "I want 1st or I just won't play." The 3rd place game has been in place for years and years. Your reference is to the collegiate game. These are NOT collegiate players. Most HS players will not play college sports (less than 2%). Let them play two games on a college gym floor. Get a chance to win the last game of the season outside of the championship game. I agree, the championship game is the greatest. The kids earned a trip to the Final 4, give them another game.

That doesn't mean people want to go do something immediately after getting crushed emotionally. That's been human nature for a very long time. Some will want the opportunity and some won't.

 

[wcowherd]

I think it's a cost thing. Probably have to guarantee 2 games for the fans and families that come up and book a hotel room for 3-4 nights.

 

[Rufus R. Jones]

I think it's a cost thing. Probably have to guarantee 2 games for the fans and families that come up and book a hotel room for 3-4 nights.

And we have a winner...

 

[rocketsbro]

And we have a winner...

You mean this is about money? I thought it was about the kids...

 

[metro-dude]

You mean this is about money? I thought it was about the kids...

Rocket is correct again. We are indeed in the kid business.

 

[jlar2015]

Rocket, here is the number and email to address high school sports issues---The man in charge is Dr. Kerwin Urhann ( Former Superintdent of schools in Portageville, Missouri )-------Tele. 573-875-4880----Email---@mshsaa.org.

I talked with Dr. Urhann last summer concerning the Vashon issues. I ask if Madison Prep closes their high school, could the Madison Prep students enroll @ Vashon? Dr. Urhann really did not want to talk about hypothetical. He also stated school districts should monitor themselves with hopes they will be honorable. I did not call the MSHSAA to file a complaint, I called because I want to know the rules for enrollment in the St. Louis Public schools. Swishmeyer give me the heads up on Tony Irons getting the coaching position @ Vashon during the class 4 final four last year.

There appears to be a rule stating students can live with a relative in another district without paying tuition but the relative must provide health care, food, clothing and other necessities. I'm not sure how this relates to playing on sports teams. May be someone could clarify " The Living with a relative " thing.

Rocket, you and I know not all high schools in Missouri are honorable.

I made a call up there when a neighboring high school got in trouble for letting two 8th grade boys come in and practice on a snow day with their high school team. I thought it was an absolute joke. Those guys make six figures, don't give a damn what coaches/players care about, but for some reason want to keep private public out of the spot light. Kids can transfer and go where ever they want but two boys can't come in and hoop with their high school team. Major A$$ joke down there in Columbia. If the final 4 moves I'm sure prices go up because you will be paying for every MSHSSA EMPLOYEES HOTEL AND MEALS THOSE WEEKENDS because they aren't home in Columbia. Sorry Rant Over.