Remind me why we changed playoff system
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It’s be about 50% chance to be exact.
For example you could have LN and Lift for Life playing Duchene and Carnahan each. That would be 4 games in the 80-0 range. Sounds much better
Point is you can’t come up with a perfect system.
Bad Teams will get obliterated by good ones. They can take the ball, go home and practice. Better luck next year
Bad Teams will get obliterated by good ones. They can take the ball, go home and practice. Better luck next year
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And my point is that currently 63 teams finish with a loss in each class. Currently. Only 8 have a championship. I preferred the old way with 16 championships and more positive finishes.
Old way you could have 3 of 4 teams in a district finish 2-1 and it came down to point differential? Leave it the way it is, it is settled on the field, get rid of the point system and let coaches vote for district seeds like every other sport.
The problem with the current is you are seeding the district round with a flawed mathematical system that is based off of subjectivity. When you give points based on beating a higher classification that is subjective. Just because a school is larger doesn't mean they are better. And like wise there are some really great smaller schools that routinely beat larger class schools. Who you schedule and beat are highly important to how you are seeded in the current district format. There is a reason they moved away from the (1968-1987) points system.
I lost the last football game I played. That explains why my life sucks.
I also have to acknowledge Joey is right (that hurt) when it comes to the definition of playoffs and when they started.
I also have to acknowledge Joey is right (that hurt) when it comes to the definition of playoffs and when they started.
Your rational thoughts have no business on this board, sir!
You still have to win the games after the seeding is done. Yes, it can be improved, but it is just for seeding.
The reason they moved away from it was because 10-0 teams were missing the playoffs. That is not happening here.
Your football season is only defined by the result of your last game and not the journey you took to get there.
That might be one of the nicest responses. I do find all the discussion highly entertaining. Also a little disappointed that Air Bud has never wieghed in with thoughts from his documentary.
But there are several folks on here talking about only wanting to take the top 4 seeds in an 8 team district. Based on the seeding formula who you schedule impacts heavily where you are seeded.
Old system was fine. 7 and 3. You had more "district champs". But it felt more like a "playoff" when you got to that first round of games.
It must be a Mighty Ducks thing, I've always felt "District" represented a given location or area we all lived within. Some teams travel halfway across the state to play a "district" game.
It must be a Mighty Ducks thing, I've always felt "District" represented a given location or area we all lived within. Some teams travel halfway across the state to play a "district" game.
It must be a Mighty Ducks thing, I've always felt "District" represented a given location or area we all lived within. Some teams travel halfway across the state to play a "district" game.[/QUOTE]
Now THAT I really get. Right or wrong the 'district' concept has really changed. It isn't a certain or defined area anymore.
Now THAT I really get. Right or wrong the 'district' concept has really changed. It isn't a certain or defined area anymore.
waholives - you are absolutely correct - I had forgotten about the three 2-1 teams in the old system.
Do away with all the points and crap, just put 8 teams in a hat and draw for bracket positions and play the games. Best team will be left standing after district championship game and that's all that matters
I like the playoff points system, but they could make a few simple modifications such as:
15 points for a win
6.3 points for a loss
9.1 points for an overtime loss
1 point for winning the coin toss
-2 points for losing the coin toss if you call "tails"
-10 points for losing a conference game in a conference named for a geographic feature (Ozark Mountain, Spring River Valley)
7 points if an ornithological mascot defeats a mythical mascot (e.g. Falcons defeat Dragons)
3 points to the visiting team if rushing yards times turnover margin exceeds number of funnel cakes sold at the concession stand
-8 points to the home team if QB sacks is less than or equal to number of alto saxophonists in the junior high band
(8.31 X margin of lead with 8:17 remaining in the 3rd quarter) if the away team is leading at a field located on a street address named after a United States President
3 districts in each Class:
14 teams in District 1 (top 12 make playoffs)
72 teams in District 2 (top 1 makes playoffs)
3 teams in District 3 (top 3 make playoffs)
Teams are seeded 1 through 16 in quadruple elimination format with the #3 seed getting a 7 round bye and beginning play on the 2nd Friday after Boxing Day.
Any team losing a 3rd round game by a margin no less than 22 points and no greater than 26 points must forfeit any three of their first four freshman contests against schools whose primary school color is maroon in the upcoming girls basketball season. If that school does not play three schools with maroon as their school color, they may forfeit these contests against a team whose secondary or tertiary school color is blue, but only if this color is navy blue, midnight blue or royal blue. This is not applicable if said blue color is sky blue, Columbia blue, or cerulean.
15 points for a win
6.3 points for a loss
9.1 points for an overtime loss
1 point for winning the coin toss
-2 points for losing the coin toss if you call "tails"
-10 points for losing a conference game in a conference named for a geographic feature (Ozark Mountain, Spring River Valley)
7 points if an ornithological mascot defeats a mythical mascot (e.g. Falcons defeat Dragons)
3 points to the visiting team if rushing yards times turnover margin exceeds number of funnel cakes sold at the concession stand
-8 points to the home team if QB sacks is less than or equal to number of alto saxophonists in the junior high band
(8.31 X margin of lead with 8:17 remaining in the 3rd quarter) if the away team is leading at a field located on a street address named after a United States President
3 districts in each Class:
14 teams in District 1 (top 12 make playoffs)
72 teams in District 2 (top 1 makes playoffs)
3 teams in District 3 (top 3 make playoffs)
Teams are seeded 1 through 16 in quadruple elimination format with the #3 seed getting a 7 round bye and beginning play on the 2nd Friday after Boxing Day.
Any team losing a 3rd round game by a margin no less than 22 points and no greater than 26 points must forfeit any three of their first four freshman contests against schools whose primary school color is maroon in the upcoming girls basketball season. If that school does not play three schools with maroon as their school color, they may forfeit these contests against a team whose secondary or tertiary school color is blue, but only if this color is navy blue, midnight blue or royal blue. This is not applicable if said blue color is sky blue, Columbia blue, or cerulean.
Part of the new system also was that ALL participating school got to be entered into the "district playoffs" just like every other sport currently does. In the old system, not all schools made it to the district games.
Ehhhhhh. In the old system there was a round robin tournament the last 3 weeks in which you played every team in your district. Weeks 8-9-10. Every team played 3 district games.
I much prefer the old 4 team round robin districts than what we have today.
For the reasons below
I like the fact it would take the number of games from 15 to 14
As mentioned above, post districts into the state playoffs had more of an aura about them than it does today.
There were easy and tough districts then just as there is now, nothing has changed with that.
it cuts down the number of rematches we see...not a fan of seeing teams play twice
I also liked the times when games at the end of year sometimes meant winning conference and district and then there times when teams got to play spoiler.
For the reasons below
I like the fact it would take the number of games from 15 to 14
As mentioned above, post districts into the state playoffs had more of an aura about them than it does today.
There were easy and tough districts then just as there is now, nothing has changed with that.
it cuts down the number of rematches we see...not a fan of seeing teams play twice
I also liked the times when games at the end of year sometimes meant winning conference and district and then there times when teams got to play spoiler.
But that is not going to happen. People on here can talk about it all they want, but it doesn’t mean schools will vote for it.
I long for the days of the old system where a team loses by 3 tonight and then advanced to the Final 16 next week. Oh wait, no I don't. I like playoffs where only winners advance, not teams that lose.
System is working fine. I see no need to change back to anything .
How bout you stick to hoops and let the big boys discuss football, K.
How about countering my point with an actual valid counterpoint instead of deflecting, K?
Genuinely, when has Duck said anything positive on here? I don’t know him (nor you me) ha! But I think it would be hard to be his friend in real life. So negative!
For me, one of the problems in the old round robin wk 8, 9 & 10 was that sometimes you were placed in a district with out any teams from your conference. That meant a conference game in week 1, instead of one or two warm up non-conference games to start the season.
1. There is no perfect system.
2. The title is settled by defeating All opponents. There is never a debate about whether the champion is legitimate, and every team has a shot to win, technically. Satisfactory criteria to me for a championship
2. The title is settled by defeating All opponents. There is never a debate about whether the champion is legitimate, and every team has a shot to win, technically. Satisfactory criteria to me for a championship
It is kind of like this. I gave my opinion and reasons. Then tough guys have to pull out the "participation trophy" BS. As if the old system wasnt manly enough. And you still want a hug and a compliment? No. Bottom line is 15.5% fewer kids are playing football in Missouri than 9 years ago. A substantial drop compared to most of America. What else has changed since 2009? Summer contact days??
It’s called concussions, the rise of sport specialization (fall and summer travel sports) and the overall lack of gumption and commitment by our younger generations. Or maybe it’s parents letting kids make their own decisions more often. Kids also don’t tend to work at something they don’t see benefits in right away. Didn’t ask for a hug...
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