Remember last year when Duckwalk said......
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Lack of HR's is NOT the issue with the Cardinals of 2016. Pitching and defense are. Both have been better lately but no where near good enough, especially the defense. When the starters are good the pen is bad or the other way around. No consistency on the hill throughout the staff.
Stop it. Be real. Put those two guys in our lineup and we have 4-5 more wins minimum. It would be a tight race. We would be better defensively also.
Trumbo is a horrible defender having the half season of a lifetime. Trading for him now is buying high
Who the hell said trade for him now??????
See the words "last year".
Cespedes is a gold Glover.
Have u watched Moss and Holliday on first?
Yea.
Stop it yourself. IF Wainwright hadn't gotten off to a horrible start, IF Wacha was anywhere near what everybody expected him to be in the first half, IF we weren't leading the world in errors and IF Rosenthal hadn't imploded we would likely have 10 or 15 more wins and be more than just close. Offense is NOT the problem, we have plenty of HR's. Our offense has been plenty good enough to be at or near the top of the Central.
The Cards are second in the national league in runs, trailing the Rockies by only two. Run scoring is not the issue.
Further, Brandon Moss is slugging just as much as Trumbo. Trumbo does not address a real issue on a team where Adams, Moss, and Holliday are doing fine and were already under contract. Cespedes made far more sense slotting into CF. Trading for Trumbo would have been silly.
We are #1 in the NL in HR and #2 in runs scored. #2 in OPS.
We've probably overperformed a bit but it's silly to complain about the offense. Once you adjust for the home parks, we and the Cubs are the clear class of the National League in terms of scoring runs.
Pitching and defense is the difference between STL and Chicago. Hendricks/Arrieta/Lester/Hammel have been clearly better than our top four starters. Arrieta and Hendricks have been better than any starter we have. They've been helped by having a good defense behind them.
I was ignoring the AL since they have the DH and we aren't competing against them for the playoffs, but, yeah, they are awesome as well
I think they expected it to not be great. Look at the roster construction. LF and 1B was always going to suck badly. We don't have a great defensive CF, either. Carp is a passable IF but not a great one. Heyward is gone. Yadi is getting older and he's battled injuries.
Cards should have expected a little more from the infield but I don't know what we could have expected defensively that was all that much better than this. We don't have the roster to be a great defensive team.
Cespedes wouldn't have helped there, either.
Trumbo has 30HRs and 73 RBI, .281.
Gee I don't think we have anyone with
any numbers close to that.
Snatching him for cheap last year
would have allowed us to trade other players
for bullpen help we desperately still need.
You guys both think you know more than everyone. You don't. Cespedes would have been a huge upgrade over Grichuk.
Jesus you people are annoying. Ignored again.
Who could you have traded for bullpen help? A guy coming off hip surgery? A guy in his mid 30s making 17 million with many DL trips over the past few years? Or the fat future DH who sucked last year?
what were you going to get in return?
Further you would have to have traded something for Trumbo and then paid him 9 million - for that much you could simply have signed another reliever
And for the record:
Trumbo: 30 HR in 415 plate appearances
Moss/Adams: 29 HR in 491 plate appearances
What exactly is this magical problem you are fixing?
Is your roster construction plan really open the paper in July and complain we didn't trade for a guy who is having a totally unpredictable and unsustainable season while ignoring the fact that the player doesn't fit any of your teams real weak spots? Like I get complaining that we could have signed someone better than leake or another reliever. But a 1B. Really?
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