Really Oran? 100-13 Really?
- Thread starter Grip it and Rip it
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needs to be better mercy rules in High School sports---turbo clock that literally doesn't stop running --even for "timeouts" etc
Oran is class 2. New Mad is class 3. Were they missing players?? The mercy rule is fine the way it is. You want to just take half of the game away because one team is losing? How many games does St James win by 30-40 every year because of their less than strong schedule? What do you want the winning team to do? Play 3 players? Sit in a zone on their knees? How about Telling New Madrid to get better. Its a bigger slap in the face of the losing players to say " we feel sorry for you, lets speed this thing up". No true athlete wants that. If the kids have the correct perspective, they will be fine. If the winning team didnt empty their bench early, you would have a valid complaint.
I'll leave these three words here...Class, Grace, and Mercy. People always say, "If you don't want that to happen than you should get better". Do you not realize in that situation they can't get better. If they could "get better" then they wouldn't have lost that badly. Part of the responsibility of the coaching staff is to impart positive values and morals to their players. The winning coach lost a tremendous opportunity to teach class, grace, and mercy in victory. Explain to me how running up the score that badly (just because you can) is respectful to the opponents or even to the game itself? Running the score up that badly was bad form and simply kicking the opponent while they were down. For what? Just so you can say you scored 100 points? The coach, players, and everyone in the stands knows by the end of the first quarter (in this type of situation) who the better team is. There was no call for humiliating everyone associated with NM that badly and no valid reason to justify the actions of Oran. What should have been taught was class, grace, and mercy in victory.
I expected your reply because it was clear that you were only interested in being a martyr instead of talking about what matters and basketball. Most people are will aware of the lifelong implications of organize sports for young people. I don't feel the need to go into all that. Maybe you should look up the article that is out today about the Baylor women's basketball team beating Monmouth. They tried every combination of kids they could, they changed up their defense, they did everything they could to slow the game down a bit but they still outscored them miserably. You never answer the question, what are they supposed to do? Stall the ball for two full quarters? How is that helping anyone? It is a privilege to play varsity sports, not a right. With that, these athletes accept that they will be beaten and they will be challenged. If they cant accept that, basketball is not their sport. You also didn't answer the question did they use all of their subs did they sit in a zone defense and give New Madrid a chance to pass the ball around for opportunities. Were you even at the game? Or do you just feel the need to comment about a score ? Since I mentioned St. James I'll comment that over the last three years they have had wins of 64 points, 66 points, 53 points, and several in the 40s. So where is the line? If you, sir, have ever been a basketball player then you understand that class is not "taking it easy on someone "class is giving your best and holding the other team to their best. There is no "humiliation" in losing if you gave your best, period. We all want our kids to understand that in life. "Mercy" in basketball is playing your least skilled players and passing extra to burn clock before a shot. I ask again- what should they have done?? I must believe, without seeing the game for myself that the winning coach tried to give the other team opportunities without making it look like they were being too soft of them which is disrespectful to the other team. And I'm sure the losing team recognize that or else we would see some type of uproar in the newspaper about this game. Life is not fair, and basketball is not fair, it's not supposed to be that's why it's not for everybody. The basketball coaches and the basketball players understand that. It doesn't matter what everyone else in the crowd thinks even though Refs try to keep the foul counts even, etc so people say calm. Tell the kids to give everything, respect each other for that and move on.
College and professional sports is different than high school sports, and I think everyone is fully aware of that. But I would still sit my best players at those levels. It would be a hard question to answer if one of your starters got hurt in a blow out game because you didn't sub.
As for what coaches can do, I think you know what they can do, but I'll make a list for you:
1. Stop running and gunning in transition
2. Only take a lay-ups or short jumper, no more 3 pointers
3. Work your offensive sets for several passes until you get a close shot
4. Stop pressing full court; stop trapping
5. Play a zone and don't extend to 1/2 court and if need be don't extend past three point line
6. Starters can sit entire second half
There is no shot clock in MO so a team can work the ball around as long as they want until they get a layup.
As for what coaches can do, I think you know what they can do, but I'll make a list for you:
1. Stop running and gunning in transition
2. Only take a lay-ups or short jumper, no more 3 pointers
3. Work your offensive sets for several passes until you get a close shot
4. Stop pressing full court; stop trapping
5. Play a zone and don't extend to 1/2 court and if need be don't extend past three point line
6. Starters can sit entire second half
There is no shot clock in MO so a team can work the ball around as long as they want until they get a layup.
I agree with all of those strategies- although a zone would make it more difficult for NM to score. After seeing the box score, I would agree that , in the fourth quarter at least, Oran looked to score too much. 15 points in a turbo clock quarter ia a LOT. It also looks like NM may have quit working hard after posting 8 in the first. Without seeing the game in person, its hard to judge. Hopefully, both programs are instilling the right values keeping in mind it is competition, not "nice time". Both teams must still try to work on sets, practice work ethic no matter the score. If those kids are being taught nothing good can come from losing, they're being led astray. Win or learn. Great conversation! This site has been lacking that.
Teams played in top 10 of any class- 2. Both double digit losses. Opponents winning %- 55%. Less than strong.
Beat class 5 Jackson for their only loss
Beat class 4 Ste. Gen by 20 plus at their gym and it's their only loss
Beat class 4 Osage and it's their only loss so far
Beat class 4 Sullivan who is also in our conference and a major thorn in our butt
Play Warrenton for Sullivan tournament championship TBA and they have one loss only
Rolla tournament is tough
At nixa in first week of January
Pacific and hermann are in our conference.
And Sullivan again
FRC is one of the best for girls ball
Tournaments are hard to get into the ones you want and there are waiting lists.
District 9 is going to be hard with Southern Boone, Hermann, Tolton, and St. James all ranked in top 5 in class 3. Blair oaks used to be near great every year but they have fallen off the map of recent memory
Beat class 4 Ste. Gen by 20 plus at their gym and it's their only loss
Beat class 4 Osage and it's their only loss so far
Beat class 4 Sullivan who is also in our conference and a major thorn in our butt
Play Warrenton for Sullivan tournament championship TBA and they have one loss only
Rolla tournament is tough
At nixa in first week of January
Pacific and hermann are in our conference.
And Sullivan again
FRC is one of the best for girls ball
Tournaments are hard to get into the ones you want and there are waiting lists.
District 9 is going to be hard with Southern Boone, Hermann, Tolton, and St. James all ranked in top 5 in class 3. Blair oaks used to be near great every year but they have fallen off the map of recent memory
If you don't think getting beat by 75 points doesn't effect a high school player
you have never coached high school basketball. So many ways to be honorable
and respect your opponent. You send all five players to defensive board and the
outlet pass goes backwards. You walk the ball up the floor. No 3's allowed, no body
attacks the offensive boards. You have your post players play outside A team only win
a 100 to 13 by trying to win a 100 to 13. And there is always the choice to drop the
sport because of no interest and every year the team is a disgrace. We have 5 programs
up here in St. Louis area where their team is horrible every year, they have no under neath
programs and might have 10 players in the program. Not really sure where the educational
learning is in those cases.
you have never coached high school basketball. So many ways to be honorable
and respect your opponent. You send all five players to defensive board and the
outlet pass goes backwards. You walk the ball up the floor. No 3's allowed, no body
attacks the offensive boards. You have your post players play outside A team only win
a 100 to 13 by trying to win a 100 to 13. And there is always the choice to drop the
sport because of no interest and every year the team is a disgrace. We have 5 programs
up here in St. Louis area where their team is horrible every year, they have no under neath
programs and might have 10 players in the program. Not really sure where the educational
learning is in those cases.
For anyone that would like to see the Oran girl's play they will be playing Twin Rivers in a prelim game at 3 Rivers Saturday the 7th at 11:30 am followed by Bunker vs Summerville girls at 1:00. Then a boys game, Neelyville vs Ellington at 2:30. The Lady Raiders play Mineral Area at 5:00 followed by the Raiders against MAC at 7:00. A full day of HS basketball followed by a couple of college games, all for one price of admission. Looking forward to watching Oran girls play, I only saw them for a half a game twice last season, and the Neelyville-Ellington boys matchup should be interesting. Anytime 3R and MAC hookup it's interesting to say the least.
I agree that there are ways for teams to not pile on. The fact Oran scored 100 makes me wonder if that was a goal. If it was...poor.
On the other hand....maybe they scored that many and backed off on defense...played the bench, etc...
I hate the mercy rule in basketball. Coaches make sure they back off....but the mercy rule is not fair to the kids that only play in blowouts.
I had rather see no mercy rule and hope coaches empty their bench quickly and back the defense up inside the lane if one team is completely outclassed in talent.
On the other hand....maybe they scored that many and backed off on defense...played the bench, etc...
I hate the mercy rule in basketball. Coaches make sure they back off....but the mercy rule is not fair to the kids that only play in blowouts.
I had rather see no mercy rule and hope coaches empty their bench quickly and back the defense up inside the lane if one team is completely outclassed in talent.
