Rates vs Rates

[Expect2Win]

.00000198%
vs.
estimated .00000165%
One of these 'it's not that big of a deal it's not that big of a percentage.'
The other is 'a huge problem and we can't have it.'
You would think that the one that is about lives would be the one we would all be outraged by unfortunately to some a vote is more important than a person's life.

 

[SadButTrue]

With those numbers I thought you were talking about CD's

 

[bullitpdq68]

I have no clue?

 

[bullitpdq68]

Thank you for finally admitting this. That’s the important first step.

I looked both those numbers up and they are not tied to any news story I can find....so yep I am clueless when it comes to this.

 

[Expect2Win]

My bad Bullit
I found a study that had 5 states that use mail in and had 3 columns of illegal voting with the total of votes added them together and found that total percentage. The other is an estimate of the total deaths per million as I only found Daily percent and not overall.
Point is I am tired of hearing how this number of people dying is no big deal but a percentage similar in fake ballots can't be tolerated. Seems we should not be tolerating the first.

 

[bullitpdq68]

My bad Bullit
I found a study that had 5 states that use mail in and had 3 columns of illegal voting with the total of votes added them together and found that total percentage. The other is an estimate of the total deaths per million as I only found Daily percent and not overall.
Point is I am tired of hearing how this number of people dying is no big deal but a percentage similar in fake ballots can't be tolerated. Seems we should not be tolerating the first.

Like you said these are estimates, I have looked and talked to those around in the know and most say the evidence for fraud is inconclusive because there has been no studies actually done on it. So when people say there is no fraud...they are basically saying there has been no studies to prove otherwise.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

Like you said these are estimates, I have looked and talked to those around in the know and most say the evidence for fraud is inconclusive because there has been no studies actually done on it. So when people say there is no fraud...they are basically saying there has been no studies to prove otherwise.

Well trump had kobach leading an investigation but for some reason they quit.
Now why do you think they did that?

 

[Expect2Win]

Like you said these are estimates, I have looked and talked to those around in the know and most say the evidence for fraud is inconclusive because there has been no studies actually done on it. So when people say there is no fraud...they are basically saying there has been no studies to prove otherwise.

Interesting information
https://www.brennancenter.org/issue...an-can-vote/vote-suppression/myth-voter-fraud

Here is where I got my numbers and they are not estimates.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixg...-states-show-the-benefits-outweigh-the-risks/

 

[bullitpdq68]

Interesting information
https://www.brennancenter.org/issue...an-can-vote/vote-suppression/myth-voter-fraud

Here is where I got my numbers and they are not estimates.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixg...-states-show-the-benefits-outweigh-the-risks/

Well 20 years ago people were not talking about fraud thru internet scams either but as the internet usage grew so did the fraud. I would say and maybe agree that current voter fraud is low due to how many are using it. But as mail in ballots increase so will fraud. You think Russia interfered in 2016, wonder how much damage they could do with an actual ballot?

Imagine with mail in Ballots if you could now sell that vote....Hey instead of paying 60 million on TV ads, maybe you pay voters $100 to vote for you, would probable buy alot more votes than the millions you have spent on campaign ads. So you sell your ballot for $100. You wait the more mail in votes we allow the more fraud you will see each year.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...f5045a-071d-11e2-81ba-ffe35a7b6542_story.html

 

[3Rfan]

Well 20 years ago people were not talking about fraud thru internet scams either but as the internet usage grew so did the fraud. I would say and maybe agree that current voter fraud is low due to how many are using it. But as mail in ballots increase so will fraud. You think Russia interfered in 2016, wonder how much damage they could do with an actual ballot?

Imagine with mail in Ballots if you could now sell that vote....Hey instead of paying 60 million on TV ads, maybe you pay voters $100 to vote for you, would probable buy alot more votes than the millions you have spent on campaign ads. So you sell your ballot for $100. You wait the more mail in votes we allow the more fraud you will see each year.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...f5045a-071d-11e2-81ba-ffe35a7b6542_story.html

Do you think they can create ballots with all the local stuff on them that goes along with everything else AND get them in the hands of voters? Why would it have to be mail in ballots? They could buy votes without all that trouble. But remember mail in ballots are ok in Florida but not Arizona.

 

[bullitpdq68]

But remember mail in ballots are ok in Florida but not Arizona.

Yeah and I don't agree with that....so your point is?

 

[Expect2Win]

Instead of complaining about it why doesn't the president spend some of our tax dollars on making it more secure.

 

[Expect2Win]

After all we could use that covid money since we got covid under control.

 

[3Rfan]

Yeah and I don't agree with that....so your point is?

My point is our beloved leader thinks he should be able to pick and choose who can do it and who can't.

 

[SadButTrue]

No, it means he thinks Republicans don't cheat like liberals do. If you think they do then that means they all do which means we shouldn't do it.

Rough night?

 

[3Rfan]

No, it means he thinks Republicans don't cheat like liberals do. If you think they do then that means they all do which means we shouldn't do it.

You mean like the liberal Trump that donated LOTS of money to the Clintons long before he decided to run for president as a 'republican'.

 

[Expect2Win]

So you think Trump is a Democrat. Guess i'm not voting for a brand after all.

No you are voting for a man with no convictions. A man who is only about what keeps him in power. A conman. A man who would sell you all out in a heart beat. If he thought he could win 4 more years he would make guns illegal, abortions easily accessible, universal health care and voting by mail the law of the land. You have bought his con.

 

[Stop n Go]

If he thought he could win 4 more years he would make guns illegal, abortions easily accessible, universal health care and voting by mail the law of the land. You have bought his con.

What I know is you need to reword this sentence because it makes zero f’n sense.

He obviously thinks he can win another 4 years, hence why he’s currently running for a second term? And he’s not doing any of those things you mention.

Like what are you even talking about?