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Raise the age of majority to 21.

Sleepless_in_Jefferson_County

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Is an 18-year-old a full citizen of the United States? Does the equal protection clause in the Constitution allow us to bar one group of full citizens from a liberty others enjoy? Is it reasonable to say an 18-year-old is mature enough to vote and to decide to serve in the military but not mature enough to buy a beer, or a smoke or own a semi-automatic hunting rifle?

In the rush for answers, and ways to prevent more mass shootings, one of the ideas gaining traction is raising the age for buying semi-automatic rifles from 18 to 21. That would match the federal law on buying handguns from licensed dealers.

Raising the age makes some sense, because many young men are intellectually and emotionally immature testosterone bundles with wild impulses and iffy cause-and-effect reasoning. We know this because the science says so, and because our experience does, too.

Even so, it feels wrong to bar people who can vote and serve in the military from exercising other rights practically all Americans enjoy. Which makes me wonder whether I haven’t been looking at the whole thing upside down for years.

I’ve always argued that age limits higher than 18 on purchasing alcohol and cigarettes were inappropriate, but maybe it’s the laws that let people under 21 serve in the military and vote that make no sense. Maybe 18 is too young to be considered a fully enfranchised citizen in general, even though it may be for some.

We’ve gotten used to the voting age being 18, but letting people younger than 21 vote is fairly recent. The 26th Amendment, making the voting age 18, was not ratified until 1971.

The movement for the change grew out of the anti-war protests of the 1960s. Americans argued that people were being drafted to die by politicians they couldn’t choose or discard, and that this was wrong. Fair enough.

But most wars turn out to be foolhardy and useless, something many of us realize as we age. It’s true that fearless young men are easiest to enlist in these wars, but by that logic we’d send 12-year-olds.

What’s more, as we’ve moved from the era of pitched infantry battles with rifles and cannon to technological wars, military policing operations and counterinsurgencies, maturity, judgment and expertise are increasingly necessary in our armed forces. Youthful abandon is no longer the military asset it was in the 1800s.

Should the age at which we can serve in the military, vote, buy guns, drink liquor and smoke cigarettes all be exactly the same? Maybe. I’m not sure. It seems wrong to deny certain liberties to citizens who’ve fought for our country with deadly weapons because we fear they’re too young to make good decisions. But it also seems crazy to give too much leeway to immature people.

But the fix no one seems to consider is raising the age at which one can serve in the military, buy a weapon or vote to 21, and setting the smoking and drinking age there, too.

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If you are going to raise the age to purchase a firearm to 21, you should make it illegal to fire a firearm before 21.

If you make 21 the new age, voting and military service should be 21 too.

I think 18 year olds are old enough to get married and start a family. They also are old enough to drink, smoke, vote, shoot, or serve. I actually don't know why a 16 year old isn't old enough. If we are going to wait until everyone in an age group is ready for something, it should be much older than 21.
 
If you are going to raise the age to purchase a firearm to 21, you should make it illegal to fire a firearm before 21.

If you make 21 the new age, voting and military service should be 21 too.

I think 18 year olds are old enough to get married and start a family. They also are old enough to drink, smoke, vote, shoot, or serve. I actually don't know why a 16 year old isn't old enough. If we are going to wait until everyone in an age group is ready for something, it should be much older than 21.
Just quoting this so it won't be edited away. Miller can't understand why 16 year olds can't drink
 
If you are going to raise the age to purchase a firearm to 21, you should make it illegal to fire a firearm before 21.

If you make 21 the new age, voting and military service should be 21 too.

I think 18 year olds are old enough to get married and start a family. They also are old enough to drink, smoke, vote, shoot, or serve. I actually don't know why a 16 year old isn't old enough. If we are going to wait until everyone in an age group is ready for something, it should be much older than 21.

The scientific community tends to agree that young people, especially young men, aren't done developing mentally until between age 24-27.

You eliminate a lot of the impulsiveness of youth the older a person gets. Obviously.

Given that the divorce rate is what it is, especially for those couples who get married extremely young, I would argue people SHOULDN'T get married until after they're 21. Obviously there are exceptions, but still, the majority of people would be better served by waiting to do...virtually any of the activities you described.
 
The scientific community tends to agree that young people, especially young men, aren't done developing mentally until between age 24-27.

You eliminate a lot of the impulsiveness of youth the older a person gets. Obviously.

Given that the divorce rate is what it is, especially for those couples who get married extremely young, I would argue people SHOULDN'T get married until after they're 21. Obviously there are exceptions, but still, the majority of people would be better served by waiting to do...virtually any of the activities you described.

Then why not 24 instead of 21?
How can we let someone drive or vote who isn't mentally developed?

Just because it would be bad for many doesn't make it right to restrict those who it wouldn't be bad for. I know 16 year olds who are wiser than half this board. 18 is the age of adulthood in the US. 18 is old enough to buy a gun or anything else. Just because some can't handle it doesn't mean we shouldn't let people be responsible for their own decisions.
 
Then why not 24 instead of 21?
How can we let someone drive or vote who isn't mentally developed?

Just because it would be bad for many doesn't make it right to restrict those who it wouldn't be bad for. I know 16 year olds who are wiser than half this board. 18 is the age of adulthood in the US. 18 is old enough to buy a gun or anything else. Just because some can't handle it doesn't mean we shouldn't let people be responsible for their own decisions.
Did the parents of that 16 year old ask you to date them too? You have a history of that happening
 
Then why not 24 instead of 21?
How can we let someone drive or vote who isn't mentally developed?

Just because it would be bad for many doesn't make it right to restrict those who it wouldn't be bad for. I know 16 year olds who are wiser than half this board. 18 is the age of adulthood in the US. 18 is old enough to buy a gun or anything else. Just because some can't handle it doesn't mean we shouldn't let people be responsible for their own decisions.

Hard to call most 18 year olds adults.

And wisdom? No, 16 year olds, by and large have no idea what's going on 90% of the time.

The voting age has only been 18 since 1972, before that it was 21. The age of majority is what society deems it to be. Me personally, I have no issue with it being 21.

Furthermore, 16-18 year olds consistently have the highest rate of auto accidents and fatalities. Because, in addition to lack of practice, they also are impulsive and lack inhibitions that keep the rest of us safer. There's a reason their insurance is so high.
 
Hard to call most 18 year olds adults.

And wisdom? No, 16 year olds, by and large have no idea what's going on 90% of the time.

The voting age has only been 18 since 1972, before that it was 21. The age of majority is what society deems it to be. Me personally, I have no issue with it being 21.

Furthermore, 16-18 year olds consistently have the highest rate of auto accidents and fatalities. Because, in addition to lack of practice, they also are impulsive and lack inhibitions that keep the rest of us safer. There's a reason their insurance is so high.

Fine then, 21 for everything! You can't say they have no brains and then let them vote and drive.
 
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