Proposal so we don't have the same teams in the finals every year so to speak

[Skinslvr26]

I can't speak for Valle but we get all the competition we need in the regular season

During the Season the only Competition Lamar ever has is CJ and that's over.. Don't get me wrong You guys playing Valle for the next few years is great but then again they're a class 1 school... And besides Liberty Mtv this year you guys have had no Competition in the playoffs either and I see you guys winning by 2-3 tds this weekend. Go Lamar

 

[PartyMyWay]

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During the Season the only Competition Lamar ever has is CJ and that's over.. Don't get me wrong You guys playing Valle for the next few years is great but then again they're a class 1 school... And besides Liberty Mtv this year you guys have had no Competition in the playoffs either and I see you guys winning by 2-3 tds this weekend. Go Lamar

Not true.....Aurora 2015 C3 semis, Monett 2014 C3 Semis, Seneca 2013 C3 Runner Up. I may have the dates and teams messed up but you get the point. The Big 8 is the toughest small-mid conference in MO. Looking ahead it only gets better, you hide and watch Cassville is about to become a force...and I'm not a Cassville fan.

 

[W Card]

You really just have made this whole board even more stupid for having to have to read that.

But I guess only your son would be sobbing uncontrollably, mine wouldn't. You need to toughen your son up for life my friend. Thats whats wrong with America everyone wants everything to be fair. Thats why a pop warner football team from PA doesn't get to go to Disney to play for the championsip for winning the title that they won, because the league wanted to put every teams name in a drawing to see who gets the trip so it would be more "fair".

It was a hypothetical. Don't worry about my son, he is plenty tough. Trust me, he would never be crying like you to escalate those he can't beat up into the next enrollment classification like the limp wristed scenario you are promoting.

 

[fb_wj]

t was a hypothetical. Don't worry about my son, he is plenty tough. Trust me, he would never be crying like you to escalate those he can't beat up into the next enrollment classification like the limp wristed scenario you are promoting.

Really that was only hypothetical. I wouldn't have guessed that. Sounds like he and dad are a "life is not fair, stomp your feet type of people." True competitors don't shy away from competition. Thats what drives them. You sound like the same thing I ran across as a coach and tournament organizer in youth baseball. All these teams playing AA ball winning tournament after tournament, but sit and complain that they shouldn't play AAA ball because of this or that. So scared to make that jump up. Then they next year after winning state, they get rid of just a couple of kids and change their name and their back playing AA ball. That will teach them.

 

[W Card]

Really that was only hypothetical. I wouldn't have guessed that. Sounds like he and dad are a "life is not fair, stomp your feet type of people." True competitors don't shy away from competition. Thats what drives them. You sound like the same thing I ran across as a coach and tournament organizer in youth baseball. All these teams playing AA ball winning tournament after tournament, but sit and complain that they shouldn't play AAA ball because of this or that. So scared to make that jump up. Then they next year after winning state, they get rid of just a couple of kids and change their name and their back playing AA ball. That will teach them.

You are the one that wants to roll on the floor like an 8 year old school girl to get the rules changed after getting beat by the same team two years in a row rather than man up, work hard and prepare the best yoy can to go kick that teams butt!

 

[UNCLERICO22]

I can't believe I'm saying this but, MSHSAA has tried to get better match ups this year with the flipping of the brackets for the semifinals.

If you look at class 4 for example the WC-Kearney game has the potential to be one of the best state championship games of all time. In the past this would have been a semifinal game. So now there are two teams that would have never met in the championship game under the old system.

Now not all classes have been as fortunate to have a great match up but the potential is there. Give MSHSAA credit for doing something different to try to change the way it operates to have potentially exciting and competetive with games for the championship. It's not a perfect system but give them credit for at least trying to do something different.

 

[Kzar]

I'm a fan of a team that loses to John Burroughs in the quarter finals every year. If we are gonna beat them, we need to get better. Teams should not be penalized for developing a winning program.

 

[East Independence]

No need to move anyone up. Although it would be cool to see the Class 3-6 Champs play after to determine true undisputed Champ. (3 vs 5) and (4 vs 6) then winners play for ultimate state champ. Webb probably would've won last yr lol

 

[fb_wj]

You are the one that wants to roll on the floor like an 8 year old school girl to get the rules changed after getting beat by the same team two years in a row rather than man up, work hard and prepare the best yoy can to go kick that teams butt!

All i said is I like the Indiana format and to check it out, damn. And yeah rules never get changed huh. The district format didn't get changed a few years ago? But you really do sound like those youth baseball teams who would complain about having to have to move up. That format was in place to keep teams competing. For likes of me I don't understand what true athletes wouldn't want that. They do it in youth baseball. They do it in youth basketball. Volleyball, Gymnastics.

But no, when you get to high school god forbid that format all of a sudden is about punishing kids. Hmmm Right. Oh thats right according to you rules aren't made to be changed. Reread your first response to me and please tell me who brought in the crying and stomping scenario.

But I guess under your way of thinking they should get rid of the multiplier for private schools but cause as you say, other teams should just suck it up and just get better right? Or as you say, "man up, work hard and prepare the best you can to go kick that teams butt."

But could it be that the did the multiplier so the public and private schools were a bit more equal on the competitiveness part of things. Wait that can't be it because according to you, trying to make high school teams competitive is punishing the kids.

 

[TheBigShiz]

I think private schools are at an advantage especially in class 1, obviously Valle has shown that. You might see a public class 1 one school have a good run for a few years then the talent levels drop and it may take a few years to get back up or longer. For some reason Valle hasn't had that problem and I don't have the answers. But i don't think anything needs to change, just win and beat them and that'll solve the problem. I applaud Webb and Lamar for their success though. Not too long ago Lamar wasn't good at all and now their rolling. I just think private schools are at an advantage and public schools have to work that much harder for their success.

 

[Anders4]

The OP is the stupidest idea I have ever heard.

 

[10=1]

All i said is I like the Indiana format and to check it out, damn. And yeah rules never get changed huh. The district format didn't get changed a few years ago? But you really do sound like those youth baseball teams who would complain about having to have to move up. That format was in place to keep teams competing. For likes of me I don't understand what true athletes wouldn't want that. They do it in youth baseball. They do it in youth basketball. Volleyball, Gymnastics.

But no, when you get to high school god forbid that format all of a sudden is about punishing kids. Hmmm Right. Oh thats right according to you rules aren't made to be changed. Reread your first response to me and please tell me who brought in the crying and stomping scenario.

But I guess under your way of thinking they should get rid of the multiplier for private schools but cause as you say, other teams should just suck it up and just get better right? Or as you say, "man up, work hard and prepare the best you can to go kick that teams butt."

But could it be that the did the multiplier so the public and private schools were a bit more equal on the competitiveness part of things. Wait that can't be it because according to you, trying to make high school teams competitive is punishing the kids.

This might have been the dumbest post I've ever had to read in my life. Thanks for wasting 5 minutes of my day (yes it took 5 minutes because I had to reread it multiple times because it makes zero sense).

 

[fb_wj]

This might have been the dumbest post I've ever had to read in my life. Thanks for wasting 5 minutes of my day (yes it took 5 minutes because I had to reread it multiple times because it makes zero sense).

Believe me. I have come to realize it is hard for a lot of people in here like you, to comprehend much. Actually surprised you were able to get it on the 2nd time. Good job.

 

[LHSTiger81]

Maybe you'd feel more comfortable on the Soccer Forum...

 

[MOpossum]

With that line of thinking if you win the 100M dash at state in class 2 would you have to run in class three the next year.

 

[Rufus R. Jones]

No need to move anyone up. Although it would be cool to see the Class 3-6 Champs play after to determine true undisputed Champ. (3 vs 5) and (4 vs 6) then winners play for ultimate state champ. Webb probably would've won last yr lol

Pretty sure CBC might have had something to say about that.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

We go on a 2 year cycle for enrollments.

How about if you win the state title in your class you automatically get bumped up 1 class for the next cycle.

For instance,

Say Valle wins the state in Class 1 again. They would be moved up to Class 2 next year for the next cycle of 2 years.

Now, not saying Lamar would get beat in the finals, let's say Lamar loses to Malden in the finals, then both Lamar and Malden would move to Class 3 the next cycle since they each won a state title in the past cycle.

Class 6 would be the catch all and for those who do not win a state title they just use their enrollment to place them.

Last example,

Lets say Webb City, who would be moved to Class 5 for winning Class 4 in the past cycle, then wins at least 1 state title in Class 5, they would then move to Class 6 for the next cycle. (Possible Webb City vs. CBC final) anyone want to see that??? On the hand, lets say Webb City doesn't win a state title in the 2 years as a Class 6 team, they would go back to the enrollment stage.

Just a thought, maybe someone could improve on this, thanks for reading

Simple fix for the small class private school problem:

Create a private school only class that they can play in (level playing field ) OR they compete with public school of their like geographical district size. So they'd compete against teams with a like talent pool (Because talent matters right?)

 

[LombardiHalas]

Agreed Rufus. Create revenue and still not print off a decent program at the dome. Instead we get a placemat. I love the dome but every year I walk in that place I just get angry about the program! Especially knowing how much money MSHSAA has in the bank. Best weekend of the year in my world.

 

[blakmilk]

You're absolutely right Veer. We should separate the privates and publics without a doubt. Then we can further separate the classes into rich and poor schools, democrat and republican area schools, smart and not so smart, tall and short, good and bad, athletic and non- athletic. Then once we have enough classes everyone can win a state championship.
So sick of hearing people whine about the big blue beast from the east. Why no whining about Lamar and Webb? Cape central has been to the semifinals three years in a row. Must recruit.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

You're absolutely right Veer. We should separate the privates and publics without a doubt. Then we can further separate the classes into rich and poor schools, democrat and republican area schools, smart and not so smart, tall and short, good and bad, athletic and non- athletic. Then once we have enough classes everyone can win a state championship.
So sick of hearing people whine about the big blue beast from the east. Why no whining about Lamar and Webb? Cape central has been to the semifinals three years in a row. Must recruit.

Or you could compete against teams with a like talent pool.

 

[fb_wj]

We said this many times before. If mshaa would decide to have to different champioships you would just see the private schools start their own association and not be governed by Mshaa. That association would open up its membership to any school who would want to join, private or public And mshaa couldnt stop them.

So lets say one of the blue springs schools decides to join, they could actually recruit kids from other blue springs schools. The new association could actually work with the ncaa and make this a stepping stone to the ncaa. Spring practices. Spring games. Year round team training ect so many things that Mshaa doesn't allow. Actually i have always been ok if they decided to do this, cause i gurantee you some public schools would follow and just watch where some of the best athletes will migrate to. This could be the very reason why this has gotten voted down time by large margin before. They could also sue or not, for their portion of their money that mshaa is worth right now since private schools help founded mshaa.

Is it me or does it seem like the very same people who cry out that they don't want Mshaa to change the football format when someone brings up something like the Indiana format, will come right back and say Mshaa should change the format and put private schools in their own state championships.

"equal talent pool" There will never be a such a thing. If they did put all the public schools in one state championship. You really think a school with nearly 1200 kids have the same talent pool as a school in the 700's?