Private Schools Recruit?

[VarsitySTLBlues]

Of course they do. How else would their doors stay open? Faith-based education and curriculum is still a option that many families prefer over public school education. Private schools ARE recruiting students (not just athletes). Tuition assistance can be made available at many schools depending on their families Estimated Family Contribution. Private school isn't free. Most private schools actually have iPad and Athletic fee's on top of tuition.

Believe it or not, PARENTS are shopping their kids around in an effort to find the best private school athletic program for their kid. Many of them are looking for programs that their kids can play Varsity right away and begin building their athletic resume as soon as possible. PARENTS are electing to enroll their children into programs where Coaches (many are non-faculty) are assisting with the college recruiting process & driving kids to college visits etc.

How can you be upset that PARENTS ARE CHOOSING to send their kids to private schools? Do you really think CBC has to "recruit" athletes based on their athletic ability? Their program's success is their recruiter.

#justsayin

 

[Limbline]

I don't hate private schools. I just hate the fact that public schools and private schools play for the same trophies. It makes zero sense. There are 2 different sets of rules in play here, so there should be 2 different sets of trophies.

 

[CaptainBackslap]

If I were a parent I would be upset I choose a school that sold me on values, integrity, and a faith based education and instead taught my kid to lie and cheat.

 

[Veerman_12]

If I were a parent I would be upset I choose a school that sold me on values, integrity, and a faith based education and instead taught my kid to lie and cheat.

This.

 

[Treadmill]

I don't hate private schools. I just hate the fact that public schools and private schools play for the same trophies. It makes zero sense. There are 2 different sets of rules in play here, so there should be 2 different sets of trophies.

Agreed. Private schools have their own set of rules, so they should have their own playoffs & championships.

 

[SteveLattimer]

Your kid must not be a top tier athlete inside the St. Louis Metro or KC Metro area...

 

[SteveLattimer]

Also, public school isn't free... Ask Ladue families how much they pay in property taxes compared to inner city St. Louis.... I agree, you get what you pay for... but to sit here and say that private schools aren't actively recruiting kids solely based on athletic ability is asinine... I disregard your comment fully.

 

[VarsitySTLBlues]

Also, public school isn't free... Ask Ladue families how much they pay in property taxes compared to inner city St. Louis.... I agree, you get what you pay for... but to sit here and say that private schools aren't actively recruiting kids solely based on athletic ability is asinine... I disregard your comment fully.

Do you know how many private schools there are? Do you honestly believe that they are all recruiting athletes based on their athletic ability? Or are you upset at the success of a handful of schools and lumping all Private schools into the same category? I disregard your response FULLY.

 

[JNreturns]

Do you know how many private schools there are? Do you honestly believe that they are all recruiting athletes based on their athletic ability? Or are you upset at the success of a handful of schools and lumping all Private schools into the same category? I disregard your response FULLY.

There are only a handful...who have decided to go the " full blown AAU basketball route" by bringing in entire youth teams into their school to win. Even pretend a Senior is a freshman.

 

[SteveLattimer]

Do you know how many private schools there are? Do you honestly believe that they are all recruiting athletes based on their athletic ability? Or are you upset at the success of a handful of schools and lumping all Private schools into the same category? I disregard your response FULLY.

 

[J. Kane]

Also, public school isn't free... Ask Ladue families how much they pay in property taxes compared to inner city St. Louis.... I agree, you get what you pay for... but to sit here and say that private schools aren't actively recruiting kids solely based on athletic ability is asinine... I disregard your comment fully.

 

[SteveLattimer]

 

[Wally389]

My son played at a KC area private school his freshman and sophomore year. And I have heard every side of this argument. My humble conclusion is that every single kid at a private school is recruited in some form. They dont have natural feeder middle schools so they have to entice kids to come.
I also know that if you give talented kids an opportunity to play with other talented kids they are likely going to choose to do so.

 

[Vallegrad2]

Do you know how many private schools there are? Do you honestly believe that they are all recruiting athletes based on their athletic ability? Or are you upset at the success of a handful of schools and lumping all Private schools into the same category? I disregard your response FULLY.

I agree 100% with your statement that you cannot lump all private schools together. I don't know about the other metro areas in Missouri, but the private schools in StL give all private schools a bad reputation. I think class 1 has 3 private schools and all 3 are from outlying counties in towns with limited populations to draw from. And I know 2 of them, St. Vincent's in Perryville and Valle Catholic in Ste. Genevieve are trying to keep those schools viable. Valle's freshman class has 42 kids, large by recent years. The class of 1969 just had a reunion and there were 94 kids in that class. Several things contribute to that decline...Ste. Gen public is a good school, and loss of religious vocations causing tuition to increase. I can assure you that everyone is proud of the football team and their success, but the number 1 priority of Valle Catholic is to have enough kids to keep the school open and to that end the administration is actively recruiting ANY and ALL kids to attend the school!

 

[daveok]

I agree 100% with your statement that you cannot lump all private schools together. I don't know about the other metro areas in Missouri, but the private schools in StL give all private schools a bad reputation. I think class 1 has 3 private schools and all 3 are from outlying counties in towns with limited populations to draw from. And I know 2 of them, St. Vincent's in Perryville and Valle Catholic in Ste. Genevieve are trying to keep those schools viable. Valle's freshman class has 42 kids, large by recent years. The class of 1969 just had a reunion and there were 94 kids in that class. Several things contribute to that decline...Ste. Gen public is a good school, and loss of religious vocations causing tuition to increase. I can assure you that everyone is proud of the football team and their success, but the number 1 priority of Valle Catholic is to have enough kids to keep the school open and to that end the administration is actively recruiting ANY and ALL kids to attend the school!

We had I believe 52 in my class of 1988. We were the last group who played in class 2. We played all the big schools such as Farmington, North County, Park Hills etc in the MAAA. I agree, Valle recruits students not athletes. Of course they are pretty good at finding those 160 pound offensive linemen : )

 

[have an idea]

Do they even have basketball programs I have never heard much about them. Valle and St Vincent

 

[Local Expert]

Most of your state legislators kids go to private schools, or are home schooled.
And it's those same legislators that pull the strings at MSHSAA.
As long as that's the case, nothing of real reform or importance is
gonna change for private schools in Missouri. Period.

 

[bullitpdq68]

Do you know how many private schools there are? Do you honestly believe that they are all recruiting athletes based on their athletic ability? Or are you upset at the success of a handful of schools and lumping all Private schools into the same category? I disregard your response FULLY.

I ask you, If you truly believe that private schools don't actively recruit athletes then how come there are some private schools who proportionally have more D1 "prospects" athletes than others even more than some of the larger private schools, while others might not have any?
If they don't recruit the numbers should statistically be spread out more, based on those kids attending schools for true academic and location purpose.

 

[JNreturns]

This all gets blown out of proportion by a couple of bad eggs. There are private schools that have gotten killed by the multiplier over the years. Because they don't recruit for sports at all. They go play schools they can never compete with...that happens A LOT more than the few that excel at sports.

 

[Jomjam]

This all gets blown out of proportion by a couple of bad eggs. There are private schools that have gotten killed by the multiplier over the years. Because they don't recruit for sports at all. They go play schools they can never compete with...that happens A LOT more than the few that excel at sports.

No one ever seems to have any issue with Priory, Burroughs, MICDS, Principia, or Westminister.

 

[Veerman_12]

No one ever seems to have any issue with Priory, Burroughs, MICDS, Principia, or Westminister.

Yes because they appeal to STUDENT-athletes.

40% of their male students aren't D1 football players.

 

[Vallegrad2]

Do they even have basketball programs I have never heard much about them. Valle and St Vincent

Both Valle and St Vincents have basketball teams. Valle had a decent team a few years ago with Bergholdt (sp), a couple of Baslers and a Trautman. Lost to Scott County at Farmington in a playoff round. Previous best before that would be back in the 50's. I think. Valle has had good baseball teams in recent years. When I was there baseball didn't get a lot of attention but that has changed in Ste. Genevieve now, including SG Public.

 

[bullitpdq68]

That’s because they don’t have a 15 D1 scholarship offers on a class 2 football team.

You know, I get it. If you can get it rolling recruiting becomes unnecessary. Players will come to your school. But when you amass that many great athletes at one tiny school, how can 60 other teams even compete?

Classes were created to establish some sort of level playing field. Schools of equal size SHOULD have somewhat of a similar talent pool to work with and develop. Of course, it’s never perfect, but the class 2/3 private schools we’re talking about here may have more recruits than the entire class 6 suburban west conference combined.

I don’t have the answer, but there has to be a better one.

I don’t begrudge all the talent the Trinity’s, L Norths, etc have, but putting them in class 2/3 is kind of silly.

Have to say I admire them stepping up and playing some larger teams with more similar that make it competitive, win or lose. That’s the kind of teams they should be playing.

AMEN!!

And if you go out and Tweet about it as a coach...

 

[bullitpdq68]

No one ever seems to have any issue with Priory, Burroughs, MICDS, Principia, or Westminister.

Well you have only been on here since 2018, but yeah Burroughs has been brought up. I guess you forgot they had a great player by the name of Zek who played on the team. But he lived and was a resident of Illinois.... but that is another issue....

 

[Rufus R. Jones]

Most of your state legislators kids go to private schools, or are home schooled.
And it's those same legislators that pull the strings at MSHSAA.
As long as that's the case, nothing of real reform or importance is
gonna change for private schools in Missouri. Period.

What do you mean they "pull the strings at MSHSAA?" Can you please be more specific?

 

[Jomjam]

Well you have only been on here since 2018, but yeah Burroughs has been brought up. I guess you forgot they had a great player by the name of Zek who played on the team. But he lived and was a resident of Illinois.... but that is another issue....

I have been around longer than just belonging to a message board. Zeke went to an elementary school that prepped kids for schools like JBS.

 

[RichardDingledine33]

What do you mean they "pull the strings at MSHSAA?" Can you please be more specific?

What he is saying is these politicians are strong-arming mshsaa into making decisions that help or provide opportunities for private schools. Mshsaa could easily be destroyed by another building in Jeff City.

 

[bullitpdq68]

I have been around longer than just belonging to a message board. Zeke went to an elementary school that prepped kids for schools like JBS.

That still doesn't change his residence.

 

[Vallegrad2]

We had I believe 52 in my class of 1988. We were the last group who played in class 2. We played all the big schools such as Farmington, North County, Park Hills etc in the MAAA. I agree, Valle recruits students not athletes. Of course they are pretty good at finding those 160 pound offensive linemen : )

Not to mention a 140 pound freshman QB!

 

[VarsitySTLBlues]

I ask you, If you truly believe that private schools don't actively recruit athletes then how come there are some private schools who proportionally have more D1 "prospects" athletes than others even more than some of the larger private schools, while others might not have any?
If they don't recruit the numbers should statistically be spread out more, based on those kids attending schools for true academic and location purpose.

This is a silly question. The answer is simple. There is no such thing as Division 1 talent. There are tons of great athletes at all levels college football. These kids are getting "Division 1" offers because their coaches & parents are committed to the process that it takes to get to that level. There are tons of athletic kids at many public schools. But is their English Teacher/Coach sacrificing their weekend to take their athletes on college visits? Are they helping them fill out questionnaires? Are they attending exposure camps with them in the summer? I highly doubt it.

 

[VarsitySTLBlues]

Bash Lutheran North aka #scholarshiphigh all you want, but Carl Reed and that coaching staff are on the road EVERY weekend after their game with their kids to check out a college football program.

Have you ever heard how bad the St. Louis Public School system is? It's damn near unaccredited. If I lived ANYWHERE within the city limits of St. Louis (Not St. Louis County) and my kid was a great athlete and I as a parent could not afford to send him to college...what do you think I'd do? Sacrifice my child's future because of a few idiots who think that all kids should go to public school? Absolutely not. I'm going to put my kid in the best place possible to succeed.

 

[Duck_walk]

Bash Lutheran North aka #scholarshiphigh all you want, but Carl Reed and that coaching staff are on the road EVERY weekend after their game with their kids to check out a college football program.

Have you ever heard how bad the St. Louis Public School system is? It's damn near unaccredited. If I lived ANYWHERE within the city limits of St. Louis (Not St. Louis County) and my kid was a great athlete and I as a parent could not afford to send him to college...what do you think I'd do? Sacrifice my child's future because of a few idiots who think that all kids should go to public school? Absolutely not. I'm going to put my kid in the best place possible to succeed.

yawn. Here we go with the private school coaches outwork everyone nonsense again.

 

[Mike*Honcho]

Bash Lutheran North aka #scholarshiphigh all you want, but Carl Reed and that coaching staff are on the road EVERY weekend after their game with their kids to check out a college football program.

Have you ever heard how bad the St. Louis Public School system is? It's damn near unaccredited. If I lived ANYWHERE within the city limits of St. Louis (Not St. Louis County) and my kid was a great athlete and I as a parent could not afford to send him to college...what do you think I'd do? Sacrifice my child's future because of a few idiots who think that all kids should go to public school? Absolutely not. I'm going to put my kid in the best place possible to succeed.

Nobody said cheaters can't work hard.

 

[Vallegrad2]

Bash Lutheran North aka #scholarshiphigh all you want, but Carl Reed and that coaching staff are on the road EVERY weekend after their game with their kids to check out a college football program.

Have you ever heard how bad the St. Louis Public School system is? It's damn near unaccredited. If I lived ANYWHERE within the city limits of St. Louis (Not St. Louis County) and my kid was a great athlete and I as a parent could not afford to send him to college...what do you think I'd do? Sacrifice my child's future because of a few idiots who think that all kids should go to public school? Absolutely not. I'm going to put my kid in the best place possible to succeed.

I agree with your statement except If I lived in StL city, I would try to find a better school for my kids regardless of their athletic ability!

 

[Rufus R. Jones]

yawn. Here we go with the private school coaches outwork everyone nonsense again.

When you've spent years refining your work ethic in the pee wee leagues and 7 on 7 leagues, a high school program seems to simple.