just as the Senate is trying to fast track a bill to force construction of the Keystone Pipeline through the same areas affected by the most recent leaks. One of those leaks dumped a North Dakota state record 3 MILLION gallons of a toxic salt brine into a river. That surpassed the previous record of 1 millions gallons from a pipeline leak into the same river in 2006 which is still being cleaned up 9 years later.
Pipeline leaks coming at a fast pace
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1st, have you got a link?
2nd, I bet the state of North Dakota can afford the cleanup with all the revenue generated by oil production in the state.
3rd, is there a totally safe way to transport oil or are you wanting to quit transporting it?
1st - Why do you guys keep asking 3R for a link. He has said multiple times, that he doesn't know how to do it.
2nd - A quick google search any one can do (Got your back 3R).
3rd - Why do you want a link, you are just dismiss it anyway. It's either a liberal site, or it's just science so it doesn't matter.
4th - Why should the STATE clean up. If the companies are making the mess they need to clean it up. Amazing how you don't want the government to pay for anything, unless it hurts big oil.
5th - I am fairly secure in saying that 3R would push for more oil transported by train. Am I right 3R?
http://ecowatch.com/2015/01/23/fracking-wastewater-spill-north-dakota/
2nd - A quick google search any one can do (Got your back 3R).
3rd - Why do you want a link, you are just dismiss it anyway. It's either a liberal site, or it's just science so it doesn't matter.
4th - Why should the STATE clean up. If the companies are making the mess they need to clean it up. Amazing how you don't want the government to pay for anything, unless it hurts big oil.
5th - I am fairly secure in saying that 3R would push for more oil transported by train. Am I right 3R?
http://ecowatch.com/2015/01/23/fracking-wastewater-spill-north-dakota/
Pipes under pressure fail with time. Always. Sometimes soon, sometimes later, but they always fail.
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1) I forget. It's so simple! Right click on the link at the top of the page, click on copy, goto another page and right click again, click paste. Presto! a link.Originally posted by Expect2Win:
1st - Why do you guys keep asking 3R for a link. He has said multiple times, that he doesn't know how to do it.
2nd - A quick google search any one can do (Got your back 3R).
3rd - Why do you want a link, you are just dismiss it anyway. It's either a liberal site, or it's just science so it doesn't matter.
4th - Why should the STATE clean up. If the companies are making the mess they need to clean it up. Amazing how you don't want the government to pay for anything, unless it hurts big oil.
5th - I am fairly secure in saying that 3R would push for more oil transported by train. Am I right 3R?
2) Wasn't my point.
3) It was a VERY liberal site that is VERY biased.
4) I didn't say they should! I said they could and would want to help keep the industry rolling.
5) Totally safe?
They spread the stuff on roads! How dangerous can it be?
Then drive yourself down to Poplar Bluff and show him how to do it, or don't condescend to the guy.
It's a liberal site, what does that matter. Facts aren't liberal.
Why should they want to clean up after an industry, that can afford to it, itself?
It's a liberal site, what does that matter. Facts aren't liberal.
Why should they want to clean up after an industry, that can afford to it, itself?
I think my tutorial will suffice.
Liberals skew the "facts". things like if you like your Dr you can keep it. They tend to tell the "stupid voters" what they want them to think.
I never said they would want to clean up. I said they would want to keep the revenue rolling in and if they had to clean up for that to happen they would. What did the state promise to get this industry to expand in their state?
His point wasn't that it wouldn't be cleaned up but that it shouldn't be piped because it was too dangerous. The question i've asked regarding safety has not been answered.
Liberals skew facts lol.
Conservatives ignore them.
Who cares what a company does, as long as it brings in money it can destroy the environment, and someone else will clean it up. Screw the people who have to deal with the mess we make.
I think a train is going to be much safer than a pipeline that will continue to leak.
Conservatives ignore them.
Who cares what a company does, as long as it brings in money it can destroy the environment, and someone else will clean it up. Screw the people who have to deal with the mess we make.
I think a train is going to be much safer than a pipeline that will continue to leak.
Do any of you think that the Keystone XL is nothing more than a political football? It is. Here is a link showing the oil (Red) and natural gas (Blue) pipelines in the U.S. The XL line will be like a needle in a big haystack. It is just fodder for politicians. Inform yourself.
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U.S. Pipeline network
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U.S. Pipeline network
As for the safety of rail over pipelines, I don't know of any runaway pipelines that have killed 47 people lately. Here is a non-political and informative discussion. Pipelines have slightly better record.
Oil train safety
Oil train safety
They've also been around for a much shorter time.
I agree keystone is a non issue though.
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Even if I could, or wanted to provide a link, I'm pretty sure I couldn't provide one for something I saw on TV. As for "my point" I didn't really have one except that it could look bad that people are trying to fast track a bill to pass something for an industry that is having a serious problems at the same time. I don't live anywhere near where the pipeline will go so my house and my water supply are safe. At least from that pipeline.
On another note, trains carry FAR more dangerous stuff than crude oil through cities and towns everyday. If we all only knew what goes by us in tank cars running 60mph while set 15 feet from it or what a train is dragging through our major cites and setting RR yards all the time we might not sleep so good at night.
On another note, trains carry FAR more dangerous stuff than crude oil through cities and towns everyday. If we all only knew what goes by us in tank cars running 60mph while set 15 feet from it or what a train is dragging through our major cites and setting RR yards all the time we might not sleep so good at night.
Show me where I said it was safe.
Maybe you can get NM to help you since he is banking on your genius.
And that is my point! There are no risk free options for moving things we need so why post about the "dangers" presented by a pipeline that no one thinks is perfectly safe?
I posted about 3 pipeline leaks and you make it sound like I said the sky is falling. I thought it was interesting that the very week the senate is pushing through a bill in an attempt to force construction of the Keystone Pipeline that there were 3 separate leaks in the very same are where the new line would go. To my post about RR's hauling much more dangerous stuff than crude oil, I don't see why they shouldn't continue to carry it in a high rate since they seem to be safe enough to a multitude of things that are worse. If you lived around the place where the leaks have polluted the rivers or ran down city streets til they had close the town you might not feel like it's a good idea to put even more of them in either.
The runaway train you spoke of was likely caused by human error and gross negligence of RR rules in properly tying down an unoccupied train. The only human error in the pipeline leaks is the companies that own the pipelines don't even want spend the money to put in basic safety devices like pressure monitors and automatic shutoff valves to prevent leaks from becoming so big.
The runaway train you spoke of was likely caused by human error and gross negligence of RR rules in properly tying down an unoccupied train. The only human error in the pipeline leaks is the companies that own the pipelines don't even want spend the money to put in basic safety devices like pressure monitors and automatic shutoff valves to prevent leaks from becoming so big.
Liberals skew the facts lol
1. If we don't stop Isis they will come over hear and kill us all
2. Ebola is going to wipe out the US
3. Death panels
4 Climate change is a hoax
5. The female body has a way to deal with that (Rape)
6. We've seen a tick up in the economy since the last election. This one really takes the cake taking credit for what they have been complaining about for the last 6 years.
Those liberals are such liars the way they twist the facts at least they know what a fact is
1. If we don't stop Isis they will come over hear and kill us all
2. Ebola is going to wipe out the US
3. Death panels
4 Climate change is a hoax
5. The female body has a way to deal with that (Rape)
6. We've seen a tick up in the economy since the last election. This one really takes the cake taking credit for what they have been complaining about for the last 6 years.
Those liberals are such liars the way they twist the facts at least they know what a fact is
My son has been working at this Sinclair Oil refinery in Wyoming for the past two years on a Build / Repair project. He tells me that place in a ticking time bomb of oil leaks just waiting to go off, and they have known about this leak for years and have basicaly made ZERO efforts to stop it.
And miller says "3R, I am sorry for making an assumption about the point you were making, when I didn't know and wanted it to meet my agenda." ????
He never said I was a genius, just said I know basic civics, history, science. Things you've obviously skipped over.
And how much smarter he is, but he just thinks outside of the box. Unfortunately, I think the box he is thinking outside of, is full of the toxic water in the rivers.
Since you can't comprehend what you just read, that is highly unlikely.
Where did I say crude oil was safe? Help him out NM, he's your hope.
What exactly are you claiming I misunderstood?
If the opening post wasn't trying to make the case that we shouldn't be using pipelines because they are unsafe, what was it saying?
Pipelines will eventually burst and we have seen over and over that corps don't give two shakes about safety or cleanup.
They are good GOPers and leave the gubmint to clean up the mess.
I hope one busts in some of our resident republiberalcans neighborhoods and then we'll see what they think when their land value drops to zero and some of the loved ones suffer.
One more time Miller. I thought it was ironic that senate republicans are busy trying to push a bill through in an attempt to force construction of the Keystone pipeline while no less than THREE pipelines started leaking at the same time. That may or may not have any affect on public opinion in the area. I'm sure it will NOT have any affect on those trying to get the bill passed that will get vetoed by the president. It's all about politics and everybody knows it. The pipeline will have zero affect on my life, my water supply or my community.
Are you saying you weren't saying you oppose the pipeline or that you weren't saying they were unsafe? That is what I interpreted your post indicated. If not, I see no point in you posting it.
Then I guess you never watch any kind of news, cable or network. The timing of the leaks coinciding with the Senate push to pass a bill to get it built struck me as funny. As I said the Keystone pipeline will have no real affect on my life, my water supply or my home town. It will help some rich guy in Canada I guess. I'd be happy to get some good paying jobs for those that would build it, but it will create less than 40 permanent jobs. That is the knock on a lot of highway/bridge construction or repair jobs is they don't last. NO construction job lasts forever, they get all get finished at some point, but we have enough of them that need to be done they would last MUCH longer than the pipeline jobs.
It "struck you as funny" and you"found it ironic" you keep saying implying you weren't posting against the pipeline. Everything you have said is in opposition to the pipeline (or ant pipelines) yet you keep insisting nothing was meant when YOU started the conversation.
Yet, probably the three biggest environmental hazards and clean up are probably from nuclear accidents.
In terms of a local event, yes. In terms of a national/global event, no, carbon and other major pollutants would be higher.
