Most likely the last opportunity for coach VanLeer to win that elusive district title. Pacific was by far the superior team last night but were outplayed and out coached all night long. Kids played not to lose and it cost them. I counted the time and in a span in the second half Cullen went over 3 minutes of game time without touching the ball other than getting it across half court, simply unacceptable and cause for concern. Cullen is easily one of the best high school players in this area ever but just could not best te knights when it counted
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We didn't get it done last night . The knights played w nothing to lose and have a few legends on their bench. When the Indians are at best is when CVL is being harassed the supporting cast makes shots. No one feels the last 2 district games like the people in that locker room last nite. Pacific basketball isn't going to disappear in the next 3 years- that's all i will say on that.
CVL has been the standard of hard work and class for 4 years. He has been ridiculed, fouled w out getting many calls and had to face box and one for 3 plus years. He never has made excuses or showed weakness. He could make any Div 1 team better in America. His brother cam now will play the same wAy for the next 3 as well.
CVL has been the standard of hard work and class for 4 years. He has been ridiculed, fouled w out getting many calls and had to face box and one for 3 plus years. He never has made excuses or showed weakness. He could make any Div 1 team better in America. His brother cam now will play the same wAy for the next 3 as well.
Easier for the other four to help in a box. No man-you-ball responsibilities. Basically dumbing down the defense of the other four to help them be in a better position to help. Not really needed if one of your defenders has the size and athleticism to guard, but I doubt many in the FRC had that the past few years.
If you've ever been guarded by the "1" you'd understand why it's tougher. You've at least watched basketball for a while right?? Hard to believe this isn't veiled criticism of CVL.
This post was edited on 3/9 6:58 AM by Green&Black
This post was edited on 3/9 6:58 AM by Green&Black
No criticism at all, I've never seen the kid play and only heard great things about him. I've seen plenty of box and 1 defenses and the 1 really stays after his man when he's doing that. Just never figured out why he couldn't guard him that hard in a man to man. Most man to man defenses help each other, if they try to clear out and let the great player take his defender then the other guys have to help. That's what you're doing with the 4 man zone anyway. In a man to man you don't have to be all over your guy if he's not a threat from 15 or 20 feet. Just always seemed to me that the 1 defender plays harder and tries to deny his man the ball. Why can't he do that all the time no matter who he's guarding? If the idea is to get him play harder and make it seem more important that night then that's what you do I guess.
It was a typical Borgia end of the year tournament win. I don't see how you think Pacific was by "far" the superior team Saturday night. You definitely not giving enough credit to some really good Borgia athletes. Is there a CVL on Borgia's team, no there isn't. But Borgia has definitely a far better athletic overall team after that. Next year they are going to be a top 10 team. Coach Neier in my mind is one of the best all time Coaches in the state. The last 3 years they have said Borgia is going to have a down year, only to come out victorious in Districts. For those who weren't there I will say, there entertainment wasn't only on the court, I think the student sections were classic. I asked one of the parents from the Borgia team about that, an they said, there was a bit of extra motivation tonight, as someone from Pacific must have sent out a tweet asking for all the students from public schools in the area to come to their student section to root against Borgia. There was definitely a good showing on both sides. Also I am looking very forward to seeing CVL playing next year at Mizzou. I hope Anderson get more players like this kid.
Box and one
One of the main things a box in one does is to disrupt your offense. What do you run? Man to Man offense or zone offense. I have played against and coached against "junk' defenses and I always found it difficult to decide on what to to do against them. I coached against a coach who just last year was inducted into the Mo. Hall of Fame. You might not have a superstar but he would run triangle and two's and a box in one just to mess up your offense.
One of the main things a box in one does is to disrupt your offense. What do you run? Man to Man offense or zone offense. I have played against and coached against "junk' defenses and I always found it difficult to decide on what to to do against them. I coached against a coach who just last year was inducted into the Mo. Hall of Fame. You might not have a superstar but he would run triangle and two's and a box in one just to mess up your offense.
Re: Box and one
It is difficult because usually the 1 defender is all over you the length of the floor not letting you touch. They do not have to worry about getting beat back door. I usually run zone offense against it and set picks for the one being guarded to get touches.
It is difficult because usually the 1 defender is all over you the length of the floor not letting you touch. They do not have to worry about getting beat back door. I usually run zone offense against it and set picks for the one being guarded to get touches.
I don't know why you would say that it's the last opportunity for a district title. it did appear that the Indians were poised for the district title this year, but John VanLeer always gets the best out of the talent he has, and he always seems to put a competitive team out there...year after year. Don't sell him or the future athletes short.
As far as Pacific being superior team "by far"...You need to take a closer look at ALL the athletes on the floor. It's true that nobody is of the caliber of Cullen, but after that...well...I believe that the Borgia Knights have slightly more talent overall. I saw frustration set in midway through the third quarter and the Indians just couldn't recover from the 14 point deficit that they found themselves in. You have to give them credit though...they almost came back in the end! Credit also goes to the Knights as they managed to hit key free throws down the stretch to protect the lead. These two teams always seem to play each other tough...regardless of their records. I believe that's in large part to the excellent coaching of both teams!
For the record...Early in the season I predicted that this would be Pacific's year. What I didn't count on...as Metro reminded me...is the tradition factor. I apparently sold Borgia short this season as the Knights always seem to manage to do what they have to do to advance through districts. Congrats to the Borgia Knights on 7 consecutive district titles!
This post was edited on 3/9 6:47 PM by SWJ
3RFan...the reason it is tougher is because the defender only has one responsibility and that is to deny the ball from the offensive player, whereas if you are playing 5 on 5 man defense, you are responsible for the ball and not just your man.
Often you will see the defensive team attempt to guard a great offensive player like it is box and 1 even when the other 4 are also guarding someone with the idea that the one defender has no help responsibilities...and that can also be effective stopping the one offensive player...but the weakness of that is it provide driving lanes for the other 4 offensive players and it does allow for more back door cuts or allows you to set back screens or other screens off the ball to get that great offensive player open where as when you always have that zone in the back, it is much tougher to do that.
Also, as it was mentioned above, it can really confuse the offense. I personally think you should just run your man offense against it, but the truth is, if it is executed by the defense, neither work very well.
What works is the other 4 players have to be good enough to make the defense pay for playing the box and one because there will be some wide open opportunities for the other 4 players.
The team playing the box is betting the other 4 can't beat them, otherwise they would not play that defense.
Often you will see the defensive team attempt to guard a great offensive player like it is box and 1 even when the other 4 are also guarding someone with the idea that the one defender has no help responsibilities...and that can also be effective stopping the one offensive player...but the weakness of that is it provide driving lanes for the other 4 offensive players and it does allow for more back door cuts or allows you to set back screens or other screens off the ball to get that great offensive player open where as when you always have that zone in the back, it is much tougher to do that.
Also, as it was mentioned above, it can really confuse the offense. I personally think you should just run your man offense against it, but the truth is, if it is executed by the defense, neither work very well.
What works is the other 4 players have to be good enough to make the defense pay for playing the box and one because there will be some wide open opportunities for the other 4 players.
The team playing the box is betting the other 4 can't beat them, otherwise they would not play that defense.
