Ozuna will be gone.

[Duck_walk]

And the cardinals will act like Bader and Fowler are legit MLB hitters. Fowler has 2 more years. We just signed 30 somethings Carp and Goldie to big dollar extensions.
The outfield is in shambles. Jose can’t play out there. We tried that.

 

[3Rfan]

And the cardinals will act like Bader and Fowler are legit MLB hitters. Fowler has 2 more years. We just signed 30 somethings Carp and Goldie to big dollar extensions.
The outfield is in shambles. Jose can’t play out there. We tried that.

They don't have Bader up there because of his bat. Maybe he can learn something next spring

 

[Duck_walk]

They don't have Bader up there because of his bat. Maybe he can learn something next spring

I guess they don’t have Carp, Fowler or DeJong for their bats either.

 

[Neutron Monster]

That Carp deal is just awful, and it really hamstrings them. It made no sense.

 

[3Rfan]

I guess they don’t have Carp, Fowler or DeJong for their bats either.

Yes they do but Dejong is the only one for those 3 that is pretty decent defender. I have no idea where that question even came from, everybody that watches the Cards knows why Bader is in the bigs and it has NEVER been because he hits so well.

 

[Eagles_Ball]

That Carp deal is just awful, and it really hamstrings them. It made no sense.

It was a horrible signing by Mo. I honestly think the Goldie deal is going to turn out to be Fowler-esque as well. He won’t perform as bad as Fowler did last season, but the dude is obviously in an age decline. His analytics aren’t good.

My guess is they move Fowler and eat the money. Same for Carp if they can find takers, which if they eat enough money they will. They’re going to need an OF’er and a 3B. I hope Edman isn’t the fix there, even if it’s a short-term play to wait on Gorman. All the above is why I think they can’t move CMart unless it’s part of a deal to unload one of the Fowler or Carp contracts. The pitching is very good and cheap for the most part. That gives flexibility. Mo has some work to do.

 

[Eagles_Ball]

FWIW...I could see a Donaldson and Castellanos scenario. That would be enough to bridge to Gorman. Less likely is a Rendon signing and the OF options are in-house. I’d be excited with Rendon at 3B and an OF roster of Carlson, Bader, Thomas, O’Neill, Arazorena, JMart, and Edman.

 

[oldroundballer]

I'll be happy if Fowler and Ozuna never wear a Cardinal uniform again. It's likely to happen with Ozuna. But I just don't see much hope for unloading Fowler nor Carp for that matter. Fowler has a full no trade and we owe Carp even more than Fowler. Who would want either one of them? Our only hope is Mo fleeced Boston with Allen Craig. Maybe he can pull off something for at least one of them.

 

[Eagles_Ball]

I'll be happy if Fowler and Ozuna never wear a Cardinal uniform again. It's likely to happen with Ozuna. But I just don't see much hope for unloading Fowler nor Carp for that matter. Fowler has a full no trade and we owe Carp even more than Fowler. Who would want either one of them? Our only hope is Mo fleeced Boston with Allen Craig. Maybe he can pull off something for at least one of them.

If the Cards pay most of the salary on both, there are a lot of teams that would take them. That's the key, paying the money. I think it's likely with Fowler. Really unlikely with Carp. In a perfect world, they'd both be gone. And I think there's zero chance Ozuna signs the QO, so he'll be gone. Honestly, if none of those three are back and they don't add anyone I'd be happy. At least Shildt wouldn't be able to put them in the lineup.

3B Edman
2B Wong
1B Goldschmidt
RF Martinez
SS Dejong
LF Carlson/O'Neill
C Molina
CF Arazorena/Bader/Thomas

They'd struggle to win 81 games, but I think I might rather watch that than the pitiful ABs Fowler and Carp put together. And if I never have to watch Ozuna play LF again it'll be too soon.