So WP was like the tallest midget, huh? Or almost the tallest midget? That OC wasn't exactly a collection of football powers.
CJ wouldn't have left the OC if they thought they could/would compete.
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CJ wouldn't have left the OC if they thought they could/would compete.
Yeah, when they had to play with others their size they didn't win as much, huh? Weird.
Totally agree Mits. Somebody has to be the smallest school. Somebody has to be that school that .500 or so in conference is a good season. But with a lot of teams it preps them for the postseason. CJ was a great example of that. There's obviously a point where that can become counterproductive. I just wonder if that was really the case, or if this was just the easy way out. Easy way meaning they get to appease parents who want to see a couple more Ws so they can live vicariously.
I actually think CJ could have been very competitive in the COC over the next few years but long term the enrollment disparity is just too much for football. Playing half of your games against schools twice your size just won't work.
What you’re actually saying is: “the OC not play football as good as COC. Me no like the OC”
The OC had some strong teams and some weak teams, just like the COC did.
The COC overall was better, definitely better at the top, but Willard, Neosho, Carl Junction, Branson, and Ozark haven’t exactly been world beaters in the last decade either other than a few years for CJ.
The tallest midget? You are either just trolling or you’re one of the Webb/Nixa/Carthage supremacists.
You're really going to try to compare, historically, OC and COC football?
I should have you tarred and feathered for thinking I belong to any of those places.
I'm just able to not look through Zizzer colored glasses and argue their worth in what everyone knows was a bad football conference.
I get it. I'm just not sure this move is going to help CJ where it really matters. Time will tell.
CJ left the Big8 (as the largest member) to join the COC (where they would be the smallest) and it was questionable if they could compete. So it's not like they have a history of always looking for the easy out. There are now several schools roughly double their size. The gap between them and everyone else is likely to get larger not smaller. Although I do agree with others who have suggested they might have actually been pretty competitive over the next few years.
It might make some others in the COC feel big and superior to talk down about CJ or Branson not being able to cut it in the COC but if the end result is a better experience for their kids and families then it's the right move. I think sometimes we overlook that winning a state championship isn't the only goal and purpose or event the most important aspect of this extra curricular activity.
Ohhhhh. So we’re doing the “historically” COC, so we can remove Webb, Joplin, and Carthage’s accomplishments from there. And what’s left after that?
West Plains was beating down the original COC schools 20 years ago before the SW conference schools joined the COC more than a decade later.
Such a bad conference that the COC welcomed half of them with open arms this summer 🤣🤣🤣
Take away Webb City who joined the COC about a decade ago and how many state titles does the COC have this millennium?
I’m thinking maybe 1? Which would be Carthages(who also joined about a decade ago) from about 5 years ago
Well the OC has more than that this millennium
I have NEVER said that the OC is a better conference because it’s not true but all this chest thumping when there’s really only one school in the COC that has dominated state wide(other than Carthage one time).
Funny thing is back during pre-COC Webb I remember one OC school in particular that gave Webb fits in the playoffs whenever they faced off. They only beat Webb once if I recollect but it was always a battle when they met.
I actually don't think the COC is a historically good football league. However it is a really good league right now. CJ blasted Nixa and Republic their first few years in the league. However when those larger schools committed to football the league became much better.
Only thing that seems wild to me is I can recall back in the day (90s, etc), there was talk that the bigger COC at that time could merge into the Ozark Conference, as that league had even supposedly sent Republic, Ozark, Nixa, etc their bylaws hoping for them to consider. Yet as time went on, the COC ended up owning this merger situation, and the historical Ozark was obliterated. Suburbia won out.
Honestly is CJ football better now after having left the big 8 and joining the COC than it was before? The reason they left they felt they were never being tested and it hurt them come district time. Yeah they made it to the district title but still were soundly beat by a Big 8 school.
It did help but their best teams were stuck with really good WC teams in districts. They haven't had quite enough talent over the past 3 or 4 years for it to matter.
Carl and Carthage both have had many good teams not even advance out of district by virtue of being 5 miles from Webb City. Not sure there is any single worse position a team could be in than being the same size and proximity to WC. There are lots of tough districts in various classes all over the state but none have been as consistently impossible to win as whatever district Webb City is in.
The difference between CJ/Carthage and the others is that those other good teams at least had a district champ trophy to show for it, sometimes a quarter or semi final appearance or might even make it to the title.
ALMOST.........................Almost any school in Class 4 could say that over the years as Webb rolled.
Well now Kearney continue to adjust their enrollment and rule class four as the biggest...LOLALMOST.........................
Historically was probably a bad use of the word. Most recent iteration of both maybe better, all the Joplin mess aside. But I can't imagine anyone thinking the OC compares to the COC over the last, what, 10-15 years. It just doesn't seem to hold weight or pass the eye test. Camdenton isn't and hasn't been the Camdenton of the mid to early 2000's and before, and they were still the best in the conference (at least consistently) during that period. Lebanon obviously has an argument. WP maybe can try, but they'd fail. And pretty much everyone else in the OC was god freaking awful. A one off here and there, but by and large just bad football.
Hang a banner for that.
Buddy, I can assure you, they didn't "get invited" because of their football prowess. It's, in fact, probably quite the opposite.
State titles aren't a qualifier of better football across an entire conference. That would be what we like to call a small or concentrated sample.
You can say or not say whatever you want. You've tried to argue the OC is on the same level as the COC in football. You're incorrect. That's all. Camdenton and Leb would've and probably could've competed regularly. Joplin has, obviously. WP might have, maybe, a few years. That's it. And the really bad OC teams have been far worse than the really bad COC teams for a long time.
I wasn’t arguing that they’re on the same level, you just act like the COC is a 10/10 and the OC was a 1/10. Just taking pot shots for the sake of it and just being an ass. You know you were. Everybody on here knows you were. Show a little class and maybe you’ll get the same in return.
And wouldn’t you know it, once again every Class 4 team in this conference is in the same district (this might be the first year for this conference, but it’s not the first year these same teams have been in the same Class 4 district…)
This fact alone makes this conference a good idea for these schools (for football, anyway 🤷🏻♂️)
This fact alone makes this conference a good idea for these schools (for football, anyway 🤷🏻♂️)
Without glancing at schedules and doing season-long predictions… kinda curious what the odds are of a week 9 game followed by a week 10 rematch
