Obamas Contained JV Terrorists

[wcfanfourever]

the boys in black have went Bigtime it seems

What you get having a community organizer as President and Commander in Chief. The JV in the fight is our president and not ISIS

 

[BlizzardX]

Helen Keller could’ve have seen that this was coming to France. What's more interesting is I've not heard more condemnation from trendy France or other bordering countries borders closing down.
Bottom line every place Islam land's life suck's so much more. God forbid more people have to die in the US for us to wake up and give them the apocalypse that these crazy assholes pray for.

 

[Neutron Monster]

hardcore Islamists are the threat of our time and no one has come up with a good answer to the problem yet

 

[Neutron Monster]

And the President has been really, really wrong on ISIS's threat level. They were wrong when they called them the JV team and they were wrong when they said ISIS was contained.

Also, per the NYT:
"This spring, the F.B.I. had so many people under surveillance for possible ties to ISIS that officials pulled agents off of other cases to help keep watch."

That doesn't sound like containment to me.

 

[vbsideout]

You mentioned it on another post NM. The other partners in the Middle East are less involved than us. They continue to avoid the fight. As the Syrian refugees are leaving the country they should pick out the 18 to 30 year old men and send them to military boot camps and train them to fight for their country. Why should we send our young men and women into this civil war as their refugees are fleeing the country? The only way we can continue to engage in foreign wars is if we start the draft. We can not and should not continue to redeploy troops. Starting a draft would put an end to the hawks in short fashion as there would be protests across the land while the rich and politicians would be looking for ways to get their kids and grand kids exempted,

 

[ag-man]

And the President has been really, really wrong on ISIS's threat level. They were wrong when they called them the JV team and they were wrong when they said ISIS was contained.

Also, per the NYT:
"This spring, the F.B.I. had so many people under surveillance for possible ties to ISIS that officials pulled agents off of other cases to help keep watch."

That doesn't sound like containment to me.

I will give Obama this, he is a decent man and ASSUMES other people are decent givin the chance. He gives lots of chances. At some point, we need to realize we need a pr!ck for a president. Just like Ben Carson, I think Obama is a good man, just not a good leader of this country.

 

[Neutron Monster]

The foreign policy of nearly all Republican candidates not named Lindsey graham on Syria is nearly the same as obamas is. Their voters don't realize it but it is much truer than any of them would admit.

This is why the reactions of most R candidates are hyperbole. Obama already presides over a massive amount of air strikes. He leads an expansive surveillance state. He isn't willing to put a material amount of troops there but most of them aren't either. He is sending weapons and materiel over. You can certainly criticize his assessments of Isis but you should realize that outside of rhetoric his actions are very close to what the mainstream R position is. The two parties are actually pretty similar on this.

I don't think Obama assumes everyone is decent. I think his team underestimated ISIS.

 

[ag-man]

The foreign policy of nearly all Republican candidates not named Lindsey graham on Syria is nearly the same as obamas is. Their voters don't realize it but it is much truer than any of them would admit.

This is why the reactions of most R candidates are hyperbole. Obama already presides over a massive amount of air strikes. He leads an expansive surveillance state. He isn't willing to put a material amount of troops there but most of them aren't either. He is sending weapons and materiel over. You can certainly criticize his assessments of Isis but you should realize that outside of rhetoric his actions are very close to what the mainstream R position is. The two parties are actually pretty similar on this.

I don't think Obama assumes everyone is decent. I think his team underestimated ISIS.

Ok, his actions do not match his words.

He talks like diplomacy will cure all the worlds problems, but he kills with drones.

I applaud the killing of "jihad John"" or whatever the guy's name was, but, could we do more?

Is Obama doing all he can to keep us safe? Or just enough to make us feel safe?

I am all ears?

I agree with a lot of what he says, but things keep turning to hen shit.........I feel we need a president that convinces our enemies he won't put up with no guff, instead of being apologetic.

 

[Neutron Monster]

Obama talks like Bush and the next president will talk like them. Being president means being a part of international diplomacy not a Fox News or msnbc commentator. A President Rubio wouldn't go around saying the things he is saying as a candidate. Cruz and trump might but that's because they are either insane (Cruz) or pretending to be insane (Trump.)

I thought Romney's article on this the other day was ridiculous because he is a great example of the type of guy who wouldn't go nuts with inflammatory rhetoric.

Is it true that we are at war with militant Islamists? Yes. Is there a very good reason for the President to use more diplomatic language than that? Yes.

 

[vbsideout]

The foreign policy of nearly all Republican candidates not named Lindsey graham on Syria is nearly the same as obamas is. Their voters don't realize it but it is much truer than any of them would admit.

This is why the reactions of most R candidates are hyperbole. Obama already presides over a massive amount of air strikes. He leads an expansive surveillance state. He isn't willing to put a material amount of troops there but most of them aren't either. He is sending weapons and materiel over. You can certainly criticize his assessments of Isis but you should realize that outside of rhetoric his actions are very close to what the mainstream R position is. The two parties are actually pretty similar on this.

I don't think Obama assumes everyone is decent. I think his team underestimated ISIS.

I would say when it comes to foreign policy Obama has followed the Bush doctrine from d

Obama talks like Bush and the next president will talk like them. Being president means being a part of international diplomacy not a Fox News or msnbc commentator. A President Rubio wouldn't go around saying the things he is saying as a candidate. Cruz and trump might but that's because they are either insane (Cruz) or pretending to be insane (Trump.)

I thought Romney's article on this the other day was ridiculous because he is a great example of the type of guy who wouldn't go nuts with inflammatory rhetoric.

Is it true that we are at war with militant Islamists? Yes. Is there a very good reason for the President to use more diplomatic language than that? Yes.

 

[vbsideout]

I would say when it comes to foreign policy Obama has followed the Bush doctrine from d

I would say when it comes to foreign policy Obama has followed the Bush doctrine from d

It is tiresome to listen to these people continue to have urinating contest with each other. We all get it the Pubs hate Obama and blame him for everything and Obama hates the Pubs and blame them for everything. Jeeez grow up. It is time to come together and get something positive done for this country.

 

[Neutron Monster]

Especially on something like this where lives are at stake

 

[wcowherd]

At what point does the US just say screw it, we're sending 500k troops and cleaning this mess up?

 

[Expect2Win]

At what point does the US just say screw it, we're sending 500k troops and cleaning this mess up?

2003, 2007? Maybe at one of these points we prevent it from getting out of hand. Neither of these times did we do enough to stop it, and we have left a mess for the next person to clean up.
I want to live in the dream world that Ag lives in.

..I feel we need a president that convinces our enemies he won't put up with no guff, i

I can think of one he may have thought felt that way. I wonder how that worked out.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/target/etc/cron.html
Maybe we need to realize that we can not control what other countries and other civilians are going to do, and worry about our own country.

 

[Neutron Monster]

At what point does the US just say screw it, we're sending 500k troops and cleaning this mess up?

That would be a disaster that would haunt us for a very long time.

I also don't know if we can even send 500k over without significant changes in how we operate. We were strained with ~250k in Afghanistan and Iraq at one time.

 

[Neutron Monster]

2003, 2007? Maybe at one of these points we prevent it from getting out of hand. Neither of these times did we do enough to stop it, and we have left a mess for the next person to clean up.
I want to live in the dream world that Ag lives in.

I can think of one he may have thought felt that way. I wonder how that worked out.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/target/etc/cron.html
Maybe we need to realize that we can not control what other countries and other civilians are going to do, and worry about our own country.

The #1 problem with Syria is what is the viable long-term strategy? Assad is hated by a lot of people. Who is the alternative, though? "Moderate" sunnis? What will Shia Iran and the Alawites think of that? With the Saudis let you pick someone who isn't Sunni, though? It's a mess.


The #1 problem overall is that fighting jihadi terrorism isn't a military war; it is a battle for the minds of (generally) young men. You cannot "win" this battle with the armed forces; you can only contain it. The Saudis need to stop funding mosques full of nutters. The local governments need to promote more stable employment policies and continue to promote policies which lower their fertility rates. People with stable jobs and societies don't go blow themselves up.

 

[3Rfan]

Ok, his actions do not match his words.

He talks like diplomacy will cure all the worlds problems, but he kills with drones.

I applaud the killing of "jihad John"" or whatever the guy's name was, but, could we do more?

Is Obama doing all he can to keep us safe? Or just enough to make us feel safe?

I am all ears?

I agree with a lot of what he says, but things keep turning to hen shit.........I feel we need a president that convinces our enemies he won't put up with no guff, instead of being apologetic.

Ag maybe republicans that run both houses of congress should call for a vote on the request Obama made 2 or 3 years ago for the authority to use military force as needed in Syria and other places. They talk a good game but NO one has brought his request up for a vote. NONE of them on either side of the aisle want to go on record on this matter.

 

[Neutron Monster]

The Rs don't actually want that to happen, they would prefer Obama own it.

 

[3Rfan]

The Rs don't actually want that to happen, they would prefer Obama own it.

I've seen them asked about it by some morning news show folks and they stutter and stammer and never really give an answer as to why they didn't give that authority when asked back then and why they still refuse to give it.

 

[JakeFrmStateFarm]

I've seen them asked about it by some morning news show folks and they stutter and stammer and never really give an answer as to why they didn't give that authority when asked back then and why they still refuse to give it.

Repubs are sackless. They count on dullards to keep voting for them.

 

[The Rumor]

I've seen them asked about it by some morning news show folks and they stutter and stammer and never really give an answer as to why they didn't give that authority when asked back then and why they still refuse to give it.

I understand why they do so and don't really have a problem with it. Their actions aren't hurting our ability to do what we need to do.

I have more of a concern with irresponsible rhetoric that is unhelpful to our foreign policy

 

[Kenny56]

At what point does the US just say screw it, we're sending 500k troops and cleaning this mess up?

Genius idea.

 

[wcowherd]

That would be a disaster that would haunt us for a very long time.

I also don't know if we can even send 500k over without significant changes in how we operate. We were strained with ~250k in Afghanistan and Iraq at one time.

That's what it would take to make the Middle East into what we want it to be. We would have to be an occupying force. This is a war we've tried to make as painless for the average American citizen as possible. There is no shared sacrifice in the war on terror. If we're really serious about eradicating terror, we can't take half measures, which is what we're doing right now. The world is not safer for Americans now than it was 15 years ago, despite our actions in the Middle East.

 

[Kenny56]

That's what it would take to make the Middle East into what we want it to be. We would have to be an occupying force. This is a war we've tried to make as painless for the average American citizen as possible. There is no shared sacrifice in the war on terror. If we're really serious about eradicating terror, we can't take half measures, which is what we're doing right now. The world is not safer for Americans now than it was 15 years ago, despite our actions in the Middle East.

What would you want to do different? Are you ok with more American youths being killed? More innocents?

 

[vbsideout]

My biggest problem has always been with the Saudi's,Turk's and others in the region who have very little skin in the game and just sit back and watch while we sacrifice our blood and treasure. How does that make sense to any person with a brain.

 

[Expect2Win]

War is not somehow going to lead to peace. We are never going to end terror in the middle east.

 

[wcowherd]

What would you want to do different? Are you ok with more American youths being killed? More innocents?

Why is everything a fight with you? I'm telling you what it takes to bring peace in the Middle East. I didn't say I support it. I'm saying that our goal will never be accomplished using the half measures we use now.

 

[3Rfan]

Why is everything a fight with you? I'm telling you what it takes to bring peace in the Middle East. I didn't say I support it. I'm saying that our goal will never be accomplished using the half measures we use now.

The more we do there the more many of them hate us. You can't bring peace to people willing blow themselves up for their cause. How do you propose we stop that kind of thing? As for the Turks, I wouldn't look for much help from them since it was Turks that were standing and booing during the moment of silence for the folks that were killed in France.

 

[Neutron Monster]

Turkey was really late on trying to close their border, and they are terribly conflicted due to their opposition to supporting Kurdish separatists.

They are another example of an ally whose actions have not been tremendously supportive of the US, partly because their goals are not entirely aligned with ours. They have taken things more seriously after their big suicide bombing but it was pretty late in the game.

 

[Neutron Monster]

Why is everything a fight with you? I'm telling you what it takes to bring peace in the Middle East. I didn't say I support it. I'm saying that our goal will never be accomplished using the half measures we use now.

I think it would do a very good job of putting Americans and Arabs in body bags without fixing the underlying problem.

 

[Neutron Monster]

My biggest problem has always been with the Saudi's,Turk's and others in the region who have very little skin in the game and just sit back and watch while we sacrifice our blood and treasure. How does that make sense to any person with a brain.

Saudi Arabia is maybe the worst ally we have, their money has paid for school after school that creates jihadis.

 

[wcowherd]

I think it would do a very good job of putting Americans and Arabs in body bags without fixing the underlying problem.

We'll never fix the underlying problem. Do you really think we can fix radicalism? They are religious fanatics that hate the west. We will never change that.

 

[wcowherd]

The more we do there the more many of them hate us. You can't bring peace to people willing blow themselves up for their cause. How do you propose we stop that kind of thing? As for the Turks, I wouldn't look for much help from them since it was Turks that were standing and booing during the moment of silence for the folks that were killed in France.

By being an occupying force? That's why we'd need hundreds of thousands of troops. We will never get jihadists to like us. So either we occupy, or we accept that terrorist attacks will happen. It is a religious war. Have you ever talked to a religious nut? Do you find them to be reasonable?

They will always hate us.

 

[Neutron Monster]

We'll never fix the underlying problem. Do you really think we can fix radicalism? They are religious fanatics that hate the west. We will never change that.

So your solution is to put hundreds of thousands of Americans where it is even easier for them to be killed or injured?

Troops are a short-term tactic not a long-term solution.

 

[ag-man]

There is a reason I don't harp on Obama or any previous president too much when it comes to the ME. If the problem was easy to solve, it would be solved by now.

My ONLY gripe with Obama, is that sometimes he comes off weak against our enemies, which I think leads to more attacks.

 

[wcowherd]

So your solution is to put hundreds of thousands of Americans where it is even easier for them to be killed or injured?

Troops are a short-term tactic not a long-term solution.

I'm saying that's what it would take to fix the Middle East. I am not saying I would support that. I am telling you what it would take. It would take an occupying force, we would be there for decades, and lots of soldiers would die for us to achieve peace in the Middle East. That's the harsh reality. Until then, it will be like it is now. Radical Islamists hate us.

We are not going to talk sense into them. They are on a mission from God. Do you generally have success arguing religion with even the most rational of people? They aren't interested in foreign aid or bribes. They fundamentally hate everything western. Religion, ideology, culture, and values, all of it. Force is the only response that will work, and we aren't going to drone our way to peace.

 

[millerbleach]

We'll never fix the underlying problem. Do you really think we can fix radicalism? They are religious fanatics that hate the west. We will never change that.

Who stole Cowherds username?

 

[vbsideout]

Who stole Cowherds username?

Wasn't me, but I do agree with him!!!

 

[millerbleach]

Wasn't me, but I do agree with him!!!

You and Cowherd both think we need a half million troops in there? And you call us war mongers.

 

[3Rfan]

I'm saying that's what it would take to fix the Middle East. I am not saying I would support that. I am telling you what it would take. It would take an occupying force, we would be there for decades, and lots of soldiers would die for us to achieve peace in the Middle East. That's the harsh reality. Until then, it will be like it is now. Radical Islamists hate us.

We are not going to talk sense into them. They are on a mission from God. Do you generally have success arguing religion with even the most rational of people? They aren't interested in foreign aid or bribes. They fundamentally hate everything western. Religion, ideology, culture, and values, all of it. Force is the only response that will work, and we aren't going to drone our way to peace.

Cow what part of they will hate more the more we try to occupy their lands? us going into and occupying Iraq is what stirred up this whole mess and crated ISIS out Iraqi military people we put out of a job. BTW does anybody know what women suicide bombers get after they blow themselves up? For the men it's supposed to be 70 virgins, what's in it for the women?