They have no legit college playoff aspirants on their schedule. Zero.
Mizzou plays UGA at least. Because it's a CONFERENCE.
ND over Virginia by 7. Boise over Virginia by 42.
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They have no legit college playoff aspirants on their schedule. Zero.
Mizzou plays UGA at least. Because it's a CONFERENCE.
And MU lost to Georgia by what? The fact that clown had Clemson and Gtech ahead of FSU should tell you everything.
MU beat nobody on the way to a SEC East title. Gtech made the SEC their bia.
Remember that time you said FSU was irrelevant. Facepalm
Remember that time you said Mizzou was the new Vandy? I didn't realize FSU would do so much to keep thugs playing. Hows the woman beater doing?
It's kinda weird how you follow me around on this board only to get set straight over and over again.
Just like this. I refute your point a couple times and you just keep changing the topic.
Ga Tech and UGA should be fun this year. UGA gave that game away. That's why Richt hasn't won a title yet
And still FSU got ND'd in the final 4 that nobody thinks they belonged in.
Good stuff.
P.S. Didn't you use Sagarin to try to prove a point not long ago? Maybe it wasn't you.
I get the criticism of ND. I think they are going to lost 2-3 games anyway so people can relax.
FSU win a National title 2 years ago and followed that up by losing one game. Unless your team is Ohio St right now I think trying to dog FSU comes off as whiny. There is no trophy for top SOS. I can tell you Ohio St won the national championship last year. I don't know or care who had the best SOS. That is only revelant before picking the 4 playoff teams.
Probably at the same time he recklessly endangered the kid's life by making him film practice in 60+ mph winds. Don't worry, ND practiced later that day.
Would that be similar in any way to recklessly endangering people's lives by driving drunk instead of finding a ride or getting a cab?
Genius. Where does it say he made the kid film? I'm guessing the 20 year old made that decision. Nobody forces you to do anything against your will. Was it irresponsible? Sure. I want to see where Kelly forced the kid to do it or threatened his job. Find that, then you might have a case.
Is Pinkel responsible for Aaron O'neil not getting proper help? Should Pinkel be held accountable for that poor girl killing herself, since he had knowledge of the claimed incidents?
Plenty of ridiculous things come from your keyboard. This may take the cake.
Did you not read the article I linked? The kid was clearly terrified of filming. And you think he voluntarily went up there? Genius. Kelly is responsible for the actions that people do at an event he controls, especially when they work for him. He also practiced later on that afternoon. You want me to believe he gave a crap that someone died filming his practice on his orders? Talk about a blatant disregard for human life.
How was pinkel supposed to know about O'Neil's health condition? You want pinkel to be held responsible for actions that were not of his doing? Both major reaches and quite silly, even for you.
Yes. One resulted in a death of a human being and the other did not. They are not equal actions.
You do get that, right?
You pick which is the more irresponsible ACTION; One in which 3 people die per year or an action resulting in 30 deaths per day. You have to pick one, which are you going to do? Which is more irresponsible?
Or in another way. 2 guys standing next to each other. Both fire a gun into the air. One bullet falls harmlessly, the other happens to hit someone and kill them. Without knowing which fired the fatal shot, you pick the worse ACTION: Guy1 firing a gun into the air or Guy2 firing a gun into the air.
1. Considering the kid was rushed to the hospital, none of the coaches knowing the severity of it, why wouldn't they go about their business?
2. Show me where Kelly told him to go up there or he would lose his job. Do that and then we will agree.
3. People do **** at work everyday that can kill them, that scares them. It's a tragedy, but nobody forced the 20 year old to go up in that tower.
4. Oneal died in part due to the coaches pushing past his limit. He was struggling the whole day. He died because his coaches pushed him to keep going, while the players could see something was wrong.
When wide receiver Brad Ekwerekwu attempted to pour water over a sluggish O'Neal's head, he was told by an unnamed coach "not to baby" his teammate, Ekwerekwu told Rao.
But her autopsy report, which included interviews with Sharp, Ivey and nine other trainers and strength coaches, pointed out what O'Neal family attorney Bob Blitz has called several serious lapses, most seriously the decision to take a stricken O'Neal from the Faurot Field locker room to the football team offices rather than University Hospital.
Both buildings are across the street from the stadium, but on opposite sides.
O'Neal - whose body by then was so limp that Ekwerekwu and strength coach Josh Stoner had trouble holding onto him - was driven to the team offices in a campus landscaping truck that Stoner had to flag down. Stoner had to prop up the head of an unconscious O'Neal, Rao reported.
The decision not to immediately summon an ambulance may have violated the university athletic department's Emergency Action Plan, a detailed document that advises employees to call 911 "as soon as the situation is deemed an emergency situation or is life threatening."
Your posts here have to be a joke. If not, you lack all common sense.
Both arguments are flawed. We aren't judging this based in aggregate or blind. The most irresponsible action is the action that kills someone. That's why we don't punish intent nearly as much as action. Why would you?
One man's action resulted in a death, the other did not. It's a really simple situation.
Not true at all. The guy being executed in Oklahoma today set up the murder of his boss. The guy that killed him got life to testify. Cowherd you act as though the coach knew the wind would blow the lift over. I'm guessing he had no clue it could happen or he wouldn't have sent him up there to film. Pinky makes millions and represents the University of Missouri and is the highest paid state employee, no excuse for getting a DWI.
These arguments are so stupid it hurts.
1. The kid died before that started practice later that afternoon. Plus, they knew he was seriously injured at the scene. Other than that, great point.
2. Does your boss usually not discipline you if you don't do your job? I mean, maybe yours does, but that's not how it works in the real world.
3. People take dangerous jobs knowing the risk. Usually practice filmers don't take that job knowing they're going to risk their life. He did not want to go up and film practice. Read the damn article. And even if he did, Kelly could have and should have prevented him from doing so. No practice film is worth risking a life for. Further, Kelly lied about the conditions at practice. Why would he lie if he thought all was fine? He wouldn't. He is criminally negligent.
4. This is honestly my favorite dumb argument from you. First, it's been admitted by all sides that Pinkel had no idea of O'Neil's condition. Second, we're going to base this on what an "unnamed coach" and what a family lawyer said? Hm, yeah, that's legit. Third, the football team offices are much closer to the practice field than the ER is at university hospital. Pinkel was doing what he thought was right. Fourth, his conduct did not violate university policy. The university never punished him for it. Fifth, the family has been to Mizzou games and still maintains a relationship with the university. His high school coach has no ill will to Mizzou. Of course they filed a wrongful death suit, that's the nature of the business. Look at the family's actions. That will tell you the real story.
Who's making an excuse for pinkel's dui?
The murderer in that case had a plea deal so he wasn't pursued with the death penalty. Pleas happen. Doesn't mean the actions are judged differently.
If you want to delude yourself that Brian Kelly is an idiot and didn't know the danger of sending a person up in a tower that wasn't anchored to the ground in 50+ mph winds, you go ahead. I mean, it's not true in the slightest, but go ahead. The manufacturer's specifications said that the tower should not go up in winds exceeding 25 mph, but Kelly wanted his practiced filmed. That is criminal negligence.
My last one on this subject.
1. In another post, it was questioned whether Kelly was the one to send the kid up in the lift. In reply to that you said, "Kelly is responsible for the actions that people do at an event he controls, especially when they work for him.". But yet above, you excuse Pinkel because he had no idea? You can't have it both ways.
2. Just because the University never punished Pinkel publicly doesn't mean he didn't violate university policy. They may not have done that knowing that a lawsuit was probably forthcoming and a formal punishment would be more damning that not.
3. In the paragraph above, you state Pinkel had no idea what was happening but a couple sentences later you state that Pinkel was doing what he thought was right by not taking an unconscious player to the hospital but instead to the football offices. Which is it? (It appears that Pinkel was not personally present here and I agree that at that moment in time, he probably didn't know what was happening. BUT if you're trying to make a cogent argument, you need to not contradict yourself in the same paragraph. Just some friendly advice.)
4. There are depositions under oath that corroborate the story above and that the unnamed coach above was actually Rex Sharp, the sports medicine director, who rebuked Ekwereku for "babying' him. Usually depositions from numerous sources under oath are pretty legit. http://old.seattletimes.com/html/sports/2009051585_apfbcmissouriplayercollapse.html
I don't care either way and both of those are very unfortunate instances to lose a life so young. And while I think neither are directly responsible for a death, if you're going to accuse Kelly of killing someone in the lift incident then I think you would need to look at Pinkel also in the O'Neal incident. Hence the glass houses comment by someone.
Have a great evening.
1. Yeah, I'm going to excuse pinkel for not knowing about a health condition while I'm not going to excuse Kelly for sending a kid into obviously serious conditions. You do get the difference, right?
2. The lawsuit is over. They're free to punish him, or not, as they see fit.
3. No, I state that pinkel did not know about the health condition. I assume pinkel did what he thought was right based on the logistics of the football offices and the hospital. I'm sorry you didn't understand that.
4. Rex sharp is not a football coach nor does sharp work for Pinkel. Nevertheless, if the head athletic trainer at Mizzou, a man who is widely respected not only at Mizzou but nationally for his expertise, thinks a player is just dogging it, you really want pinkel to diagnose him with all of Pinkel's extensive medical background? You're joking, right?
Good "contribution" as always, sbdude.
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