Mt Vernon FB coach comment

[golfindude]

Did anyone hear the humorous comment coach Tom Cox made after this friday nights game with with Reed Springs ? Tom was sporting a big mountianeer smile when He said something to the affect that they wanted to give a nice going away present to the schools that didn't want to be in the Big 8 anymore.

 

[TadQueasy]

huh?

 

[ChaoticFanatic]

I will say this: I said Mt Vernon would win by 14+ and they won by 15 so…
Told ya 🤣🤣🤣

 

[Arcola]

Yep

Mt. Vernon uses big second half to claim Big 8 East title

Share on Facebook Share on Twitter By Derek Shore (For OzarksSportsZone.com) REEDS SPRING, Mo. — Longtime Mt. Vernon coach Tom Cox was cool, calm and collected at halftime as his Mountaineers trailed 21-14 to Reeds Spring with

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[AC100]

That comment should apply more to Marshfield and Rogersville. Reeds is basically moving down.

 

[ChaoticFanatic]

That comment should apply more to Marshfield and Rogersville. Reeds is basically moving down.

Not basically, that’s EXACTLY what they’re doing.

 

[MoSooner69]

Not basically, that’s EXACTLY what they’re doing.

Moving down? Very narrow way of thinking. Looking at the overall picture, it was the only choice. Plus, many sports are at least as competitive.

 

[ChaoticFanatic]

Mid-Lakes enrollment 9-12

Forsyth- 395
Fair Grove- 375
Strafford- 368
Clever- 364
Skyline- 230


Reeds Spring- 608
Hollister- 481

 

[MoSooner69]

so by moving down, you are talking enrollment? So you consider West Plains as moving down, too?

 

[ChaoticFanatic]

so by moving down, you are talking enrollment? So you consider West Plains as moving down, too?

In a way, yes, WP is moving down.
They’ve been in a conference where 70-80% of the schools are larger than them for the last 22 years.

Now they’re moving to a conference where 65% of the schools are smaller than them, 75% if Hillcrest and Parkview join. BUT, all the schools are at least in their classification and above.

Reeds Spring is moving to a conference where 100% of the schools are smaller than them and it’s not even close. Two Class 2, one Class 1 school even.

Not a fan of WP moving to the OMC if I’m being honest. I think it hurts them in football in particular when it comes to the ultimate goal of winning games in October and November.

 

[TadQueasy]

It would be almost like West Plains moving back to the SCA.

And this move no doubt hurts Reeds in football. They will not be as close to battle tested come the playoffs. And I agree that this is not the best move for WP from a football perspective.

 

[MoSooner69]

You have to look at more that enrollment. In a perfect world that would work.. But when you are going to have multiple mid week trips that get kids home after midnight when they have school the next morning, if there is an alternative you look at it.

 

[ChaoticFanatic]

It would be almost like West Plains moving back to the SCA.

And this move no doubt hurts Reeds in football. They will not be as close to battle tested come the playoffs. And I agree that this is not the best move for WP from a football perspective.

If WP went back to the SCA, that would be terrible.
The conference has evolved so much since they’ve left. Plus, it would just never happen.

The largest school in the conference has had the worst program in the conference for most of the last decade, and Cabool and Thayer are Class 1,
and even in a down year like this year, WP would probably still run through the SCA, this year at least, and that’s not a dig at any members of the SCA, it’s just the truth.
The only team that would give them a game is Ava, but the Zizzers would still beat them, as they should.

Leaving the SCA, made WP better. The OC, made WP better. They had two terrible years in the early 2010s but from 2002-2008 in WPs early years in the OC, going 3-4 in that conference wasn’t no slouch, Camdenton was making playoff runs, Waynesville won a state title, Kickapoo had the Doke’s brothers coming through at RB, the OC was some good football back then.

I think leaving the OC, solves the problem of WP going into a down cycle for a few years, but that’s it. Bad for them long term.

 

[AC100]

You have to look at more that enrollment. In a perfect world that would work.. But when you are going to have multiple mid week trips that get kids home after midnight when they have school the next morning, if there is an alternative you look at it.

I looked at Reeds travel. They had several trips under an hour but Lamar and Nevada would be rough.

 

[TadQueasy]

If WP went back to the SCA, that would be terrible.
The conference has evolved so much since they’ve left. Plus, it would just never happen.

The largest school in the conference has had the worst program in the conference for most of the last decade, and Cabool and Thayer are Class 1,
and even in a down year like this year, WP would probably still run through the SCA, this year at least, and that’s not a dig at any members of the SCA, it’s just the truth.
The only team that would give them a game is Ava, but the Zizzers would still beat them, as they should.

Leaving the SCA, made WP better. The OC, made WP better. They had two terrible years in the early 2010s but from 2002-2008 in WPs early years in the OC, going 3-4 in that conference wasn’t no slouch, Camdenton was making playoff runs, Waynesville won a state title, Kickapoo had the Doke’s brothers coming through at RB, the OC was some good football back then.

I think leaving the OC, solves the problem of WP going into a down cycle for a few years, but that’s it. Bad for them long term.

Agree with all of that.

 

[MoSooner69]

I looked at Reeds travel. They had several trips under an hour but Lamar and Nevada would be rough.

Lamar, Nevada, Seneca, and McDonald County mid week would all be rough. 4 of the teams in the new league are basically as close of closer than the closest in the current league

 

[bullitpdq68]

Mid-Lakes enrollment 9-12

Forsyth- 395
Fair Grove- 375
Strafford- 368
Clever- 364
Skyline- 230


Reeds Spring- 608
Hollister- 481

Honestly Reeds could dominate this conference in Football. Everybody says these moves are not about football but if Reeds becomes what Bolivar was in the Small COC could these schools kick them out also, that would leave Reeds looking again..
And you look at Reeds Springs it is a growing community down by the Lake, nice schools, They have been with in 70 students of Monett at times, you have to wonder if they could grow to class 4?

 

[TadQueasy]

They should dominate that conf in football.

 

[MoSooner69]

There was a lot more the the end of the COC small than Bolivar "winning". And they finished third in football the last year of the league

 

[MoSooner69]

RS enrollment is almost exact as it was four years ago.

 

[TadQueasy]

RS enrollment is almost exact as it was four years ago.

While technically true. It appears as if this year is the outlier. They were in a pattern of growing each year. Going from a report of 435 to 465 to 505 and now back down.

 

[MoSooner69]

Last year was the outlier... Upcoming classes are pretty similar

 

[bullitpdq68]

While technically true. It appears as if this year is the outlier. They were in a pattern of growing each year. Going from a report of 435 to 465 to 505 and now back down.

And Monett was 579 that year so a bit off.. but still pretty close considering we were class 4.

 

[Mitsurugi san]

And forgive me for not knowing, but Class 1 is the class with 32 teams now, right (not Class 6)?…

…doesn’t that in theory speed up Reeds’ eventual move to Class 4 (by 32 teams)?

Class 5 is still the catch-all, right? 🤔

 

[MoSooner69]

Class 1 and Class 6 are both capped.. then divided out (or close to it) for 2-5. I don't belive there is still a "catch all" class.

The numbers are going to have to change a whole lot for the Wolves to move up to Class 4. There are 23 Class 3 Schools larger than the Wolves.

 

[bullitpdq68]

Class 1 and Class 6 are both capped.. then divided out (or close to it) for 2-5. I don't belive there is still a "catch all" class.

The numbers are going to have to change a whole lot for the Wolves to move up to Class 4. There are 23 Class 3 Schools larger than the Wolves.

The lowest school in class 4 this year is at 511, you guys were at a reported 505 a year ago...

 

[MoSooner69]

It was one outlier year. We have not been close and will not be any where close to that number fo the foreseeable future...

 

[Throw n bricks]

Mid-Lakes enrollment 9-12

Forsyth- 395
Fair Grove- 375
Strafford- 368
Clever- 364
Skyline- 230


Reeds Spring- 608
Hollister- 481

If this is the enrollment why is clever class 3

 

[TadQueasy]

Clever is 312

 

[MoSooner69]

They are the smallest team in Class 3 and growing at a pretty good clip

 

[Throw n bricks]

They won't be able to compete with these 3 schools coming in football but have already been playing these schools in other sports.

 

[ChaoticFanatic]

Clever is 312

If this is the enrollment why is clever class 3

These are 9-12 enrollment numbers from 2022.

They aren’t this years and they aren’t 9-11 numbers that they use for the classifications

 

[ChaoticFanatic]

The numbers I used I mean. Not going to be 100% accurate to this year. But I was making a point about reeds being significantly larger. That’s all.

 

[Mitsurugi san]

Class 1 and Class 6 are both capped.. then divided out (or close to it) for 2-5. I don't belive there is still a "catch all" class.

The numbers are going to have to change a whole lot for the Wolves to move up to Class 4. There are 23 Class 3 Schools larger than the Wolves.

2023 MSHSAA Football Manual

Page 12 makes it sound like classes 2-6 will always have 8 districts, but the number of districts in class 1 will vary based on how many schools are in class 1 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

[CalvinCandie]

It would be almost like West Plains moving back to the SCA.

And this move no doubt hurts Reeds in football. They will not be as close to battle tested come the playoffs. And I agree that this is not the best move for WP from a football perspective.

People thinking the Big 8 East was "battle testing" anybody is comical. Class 3 is weak enough consistently that Reeds will be just fine.

 

[TadQueasy]

People thinking the Big 8 East was "battle testing" anybody is comical. Class 3 is weak enough consistently that Reeds will be just fine.

In the words of a great American "opinions vary"

 

[ChaoticFanatic]

In the words of a great American "opinions vary"

The names…. Dalton.

 

[bullitpdq68]

People thinking the Big 8 East was "battle testing" anybody is comical. Class 3 is weak enough consistently that Reeds will be just fine.

I do agree the east is the weaker side, But I also think at times we put to much stock into this battle test at times. Not saying it doesn't help either... Just saying good teams find ways to win. Come play offs you hope anything can happen.

MV came out of the east last year and dang neer beat Seneca the West Champs and they had a 2 TD lead at one time.

 

[TadQueasy]

Can you give some of us who may not be familiar with the complete story of Coach Cox? He did this twice? Webb City?

 

[jabinoah]

Did anyone hear the humorous comment coach Tom Cox made after this friday nights game with with Reed Springs ? Tom was sporting a big mountianeer smile when He said something to the affect that they wanted to give a nice going away present to the schools that didn't want to be in the Big 8 anymore.

Can you give some of us who may not be familiar with the complete story of Coach Cox? He did this twice? Webb City?

Can you give some of us who may not be familiar with the complete story of Coach Cox? He did this twice? Webb City?

Coach Cox basically laid the foundation for MV (twice), and then Webb and Ozark Too bad OzarksSports has faltered without him. Great man and great coach.