MSHSAA’s Dream
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Ok. I can pick any AAU player I want and you get whoever happens to show up at your public school. Now just work hard enough to beat me.
It’s truly amazing how many people fail to realize this and instead just say shut up and work harder.
Oh I know. That's why I've said private schools should have their own class.
If MSHSAA did go private and public, how many private school divisions would you have? You couldn't just have 1. Schools like St. Vincent, St. Paul's New Covenant Academy, etc.. wouldn't stand a chance against your Class 5 or Class 6 private schools. If you went 2-3 divisions you are looking at some really small districts. Do you reduce the amount of classes in public?
Odd nothing was said when Strafford won 5 straight sate titles. Rock Bridge? Skyline? No?
Don't be upset though, the other private schools can't beat them either
Don't be upset though, the other private schools can't beat them either
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Did I see that CJ girls BB had to defeat a private school to reach the finals where they faced another private school?
I just looked up the bracket. 5 of the 8 teams in the class 5 bracket were private schools.
Strangely enough, they're the private school folks that would have zero clue how to act or behave if playing fields were leveled.
No idea but I remember looking into it a few years back and it seemed like I came up with something like finding that privates were roughtly 5% of the schools but accounted for around 40% of the appearances in state championship games. In football at least over the span of about 5 or 10 years, I forget exactly what it was just that it was way out of proportion.
And how many were playing Class 5 because they've been bumped up at least one if not two classes because of the success multiplier.
How come instead of complaining about the private schools maybe fix the real problem which is the horrible public school systems in the St. Louis metro.
The metro area school are all pretty dang good; Rockwood, Parkway, Clayton, Ladue, Pattonville, etc. offer a great deal of programs, AP, electives, etc.. Some others, St. Louis pubic obv have had problems.
The whole deal should be a no brainer. Play by two sets of rules, play in two classifications. The success factor has no effect on the schools that are all in. St. Mary's for example, they would be state champs at class 2-5, probably contend at 6. The factor makes no difference.
Someone correct me if I am wrong here but last I knew most of the public STL area schools outside of the inner city are consistently rated among the best in the state.
This could be a whole separate debate but in my opinion in many cases the problem with these failing public schools is not simply a function of bad teachers or poor administration - it's districts with high rates of poverty, little or no parental support/involvement, fatherlessness, drugs, crime, absenteeism - or present but disruptive students.
You're exactly correct, the communities are the problem. It's almost like communities with low crime rates and higher socio-economic rankings have quality school districts. Super strange, huh?
I've been trashed for suggesting that but I firmly believe poorly performing school districts are in most cases just one of many symptoms of community with underlying problems. With kids that are more difficult to educate. Not less capable, just more difficult because of all the things I mentioned previously and a lot of that is out of the control of the school district.
I just don't see it as a stand alone problem that can be entirely fixed independently of the other problems in the community.
Exactly. Hard to educated a student when there's no value in education at home or in the community. It's definitely systemic (to borrow a term from the 2020s) to the community and the school. There are exceptions to every rule, but there's certainly evidence to back all of this up. I get tickled when I see some great new educational program that came from some superintendent that was in a district with 3% free and reduced. That's like Vashon running the flex in basketball and touting it as the next greatest offense. No offense to those high achieving schools or the coaches running the flex to great success, but the one common denominator is quality families and good players. No matter what those places do, it's probably going to be a success. Just like no matter what approach you have in a district in a community that has the troubles you mentioned, it's probably not going to work. Doesn't mean you stop fighting the fight, just means the school (or the offense in basketball) can't fix all the underlying problems.
All of the top rated school districts in the state of Missouri (and especially all of the highest achieving individual high schools) all exist within metro STL.
The climb to dominance of private schools in the St Louis metro area is directly related to the discontinuation of the deseg program.
Bottom line is school districts, administrators, and teachers are under more scrutiny and are increasingly blamed for poor testing. Blamed by legislature and parents alike, They bark at educators, but not at parents. Simple math would tell you a kid is at school for 7 hours a day, they are under parents supervision for the other 17 hrs a day, all day weekends, all summer, all Christmas and spring break. One of the biggest issues I see is attendance has became much worse; it is not uncommon to have kids who miss 20+ days of school. I see teachers working harder than they ever have.
My solution - go back to retention when absences are out of control and they are failing. With most schools having an advisory time for tutoring, allowing for retaking tests, no late work penalties, their is no reason that students can't get to mastery. If there is a real fear of repeating a grade, that might be some incentive to put in more effort. Obviously keep the IEP process for SPED issues.
Education is like our political system, many of the problems are too big or too far gone to be fixed.
No hate coach, just implying with those students (or players) damned near any program (or offense) would work. When run correctly, with all the options and counters, it can be pretty hard to defend.Don't hate on the Flex!
This says it all. Keep fighting the fight though, but it's not going to get "fixed".
I honestly think this is a huge part of the problem in the elementary levels. An elem student is moved along, but often never given the individualized or specialized education they need in the deficient areas. Grade levels, given all the available resources to educate now as opposed to 20-30 years ago, are pretty archaic. But it's not easy, and it would take a huge shift in how elem level schools operate. Then you have the issue of smaller districts not having the resources to be able educate individuals based on their needs. But kind of like you said, the problems are big enough now that completely fixing them might be impossible.
Nah, I know. I was just trying to be funny. Shumate ran a version of the flex back in the D2 days. Wasn't the main offense, but it was one that he ran some. Can't tell you how many times I have seen coaches run a version of a stall game, as an actual offense. You can win with anything.
Or just run a "normal" offense and not shoot it for a stall game. I'm telling you, there's a simple common denominator among really good teams. They all have really good players. Get them young and develop them or "hope" a good one moves in every now and again. Lol
Yep they are still good at feeding great athletes into the Missouri side private schools.😁
Who cares they are private.... let them recruit better and work harder with the mercenary's they bring in.
Re: Pancho
AGREED
The issue starts with the parents, and home life. Teachers just don't cross the 270/44 line and become bad teachers. Take the same teacher at Vashon and put them in Eureka and BAM great scores, great teacher. Until we fix the economic disparity in areas, it'll never change.
AGREED
The issue starts with the parents, and home life. Teachers just don't cross the 270/44 line and become bad teachers. Take the same teacher at Vashon and put them in Eureka and BAM great scores, great teacher. Until we fix the economic disparity in areas, it'll never change.
Also explains the mythical 'superiority' of private schools.
In scholastics and athletics if you can pick your team you're going to do well regardless.
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