if I am reading right, the starting five combined for 16 points. Bench had 33 points. Maybe we have the wrong starters. Or maybe some of the kids play better coming off the bench. Tilmon didn’t start. But did manage to foul out.
Mizzou starters hot tonight
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Missouri must get the top players out of Missouri but that is not happening. Coach Martin and Porter Sr. must do a better job when evaluating talent. it appears to me the talent on the Tiger basketball team is border line Mid-Major-major and a few D-2 talent. Missouri must get better players if competing in the SEC is the goal.
Martin and Porter have had injuries that affected the won-lose record but Missouri is in the bottom three in a 14 team league. My advice to Martin and Porter Sr. is get on the recruiting trail fast. If Martin and Porter Sr. get in a recruiting war with other top D-1 coaches , who's going to leave the " Living Room Visit " with the recruit?
Your same old crap about Martin and Porter Sr. is borderline obsessive. You say the same after every loss, or even close win always about in state talent and they have to improve in "living room visit". How many of those living room visits have you sat in on? You think the coaching staff doesn't know they need better players.
Do you really think that they are not active on the recruiting trail? I hope each year for the wins to pile up and Mizzou to become a top program again, but until they do, I will just continue following and trust that these men are attempting to bring us the type of team that can compete with the top programs.
Metro I know you’re history comes from the bootheel area. What’s up with SEMO basketball. Hasn’t been very good lately. Think they are 9-20 this year if I read it right.
Looks like only one player on the roster from the southeast Missouri area. So much talent down there the last few years. Surely some of those kids would stay home if given a chance. Or is it the kids will go anywhere but SEMO as it has poor standing with the locals.
All of that mid-major and D2 talent is leftover recruits from Kim Anderson era. Outside of Courtney Ramey, Mizzou has signed the top player from Missouri in 2017 (Michael Porter), 2018 (Torrance Watson), and 2019 (Mario McKinney). Tilmon was #1 recruit in Illinois in 2017. Major injuries (Porter, Smith), poor upperclassman recruiting from the previous staff and youth (freshman and sophomores) = rough year.
Don't blame the previous staff any more. Year 2, the current staff is accountable. In this era, teams turnover talent all the time and win with youth. No excuses. That being said, I do like the current staff and the direction the program is headed.
They will be all right. I just want them to continue recruiting clean and not get down in the gutter with the shoe companies and so on. Don't need the FBI on campus.
semo74, please explain how the Missouri Tigers can improve up to an excepted level after all they are in 12th place in a 14 team league?
Accepted? By whom? They will be better next year with Dru Smith, Braun, the improvement of their freshmen, and adding Jackson and McKinney. Is that not easy to understand? Also they should have Mark Smith back healthy. I doubt Jontay tries to come back. Their losses can easily be replaced as Kevin Puryear is not playing much anymore and Geist is wearing down big time. They can both be replaced easily with incoming players. I can't give you any more information that that, but feel free to explain to me why I am wrong to be optimistic about the future for Missouri men's basketball under Coach Martin.
semo74, Missouri must do better then just replacing the graduating players. If the new players just replace, it could be more of the same and 12th place finish in a 14 team league.
I find it hard to believe the same Missouri players plus Jackson and McKinney will move the Tigers down from 12th place to an accepted level of a top 8 finish in the SEC. How many years will it take coaches Martin and Porter Sr. to get the Missouri Tigers in the top eight in the SEC?
The Tigers are 12-15 overall and 3-12 in the league and it could get worse. semo74, please explain again how we can get excited about next season with McKinney and Jackson added to the existing 2019 roster?
You say you have coached. I told you how they are going to improve with the redshirts, improvement from the current freshman in their sophomore season, plus the addition of the two incoming freshmen. It would be nice if they could bring in another big man, but everybody wants to find that. If you don't understand that, they somebody else will have to explain it in a different manner, because Cuonzo must have kicked your puppy or something. I just think you don't like him for some reason.
As I remember everyone attributed last year’s record to Martin. That was with the Anderson players then. So I would think this year should have shown great improvement. Can’t take credit first year then blame the old coach the second year.
Hey Semo still looking for response to the Semo RedHawks roster. Only one local player from Jackson and looks like he originally went to Fontbonne. Let’s face it they could be a force recruiting just the local area. Is there a bad reputation with kids in area that they refuse to go there?? Division 1 right at home would appear to be a big plus to me.
I went to school there, but not since 1983. I have no idea who is coaching neither do I know any of the players. I live in Central Missouri now and lost all interest in their basketball program. I go back to the days of Charley Parsley up till about Ron Shumate, after that I was way too busy working on a career to even follow them. It would seem that they could do better with the kids from Sikeston, Charleston, Jackson, Cape Central, Poplar Bluff, and others from Southern Illinois, Kentucky, and Arkansas. But somebody else would know all that a lot better than I do. Many years ago they might have missed a big boat by not hiring Gene Bess to run their program.
semo74, In your opinion have the Missouri Tigers overachieved or underachieved this season using the available players? Most of my friends had the Tigers winning 20-21 games this season. I had the Tigers winning 15 games. Most had the Missouri Tigers winning 8 games in the SEC. If you believe my friends prediction, You must admit the Missouri Tigers have underachieved using the 12-15 overall record and the 3-12 record in the SEC.
semo74, I'm waiting on the overachieving and the underachieving question.
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Southeast Missouri only has a few ( Under eight ) class 4 and 5 high schools but have many class 1,2 and 3 school. Southeast Missouri University is a mid-major University. Players like Sikeston's Fred Thatch, the H's from Poplar Bluff and Otto Porter from Scott County Central were higher level D-1 players not mid major players.
It is my understanding three-four players from Sikeston and one player from Cape Central will play college basketball next season on basketball scholarship. I can not comment where they will enroll.
The lack of quality depth hurt them when Porter and then later Smith went down. I thought they would win 18, then Porter went down and I was hopeful they might with 13 or 14. They were on track to better that, but when they lost Smith they went off the rails. They should have better depth next season, so I think 18 is a decent goal, with an NIT appearance. I see that as reasonable.
semo74, did the Missouri Tigers underachieve this season playing with the player available?
Do you think winning 18 games next year in Coach Martin and Porter Sr. third year as basketball coaches is what the Missouri AD had in mind when the hire was made two years ago? I see nothing wrong with having high goals and quick achievement but not everyone have the above formula.
I tend to think they missed out when SEMO ignored the pleas of Shumate to stay D2.
I agree, bad mistake. I'm sure their attendance was a lot better when they were D2 and using locals like Charlie Joe Bertrand, Carl Ritter, Bill Giessing, Dan Milligan, Russ Mothershead, Otto Porter Sr., Larry Briggs, and other local guys.
I made a bet with a buddy that Mizzou would not win more than 16 games. It appears I will win that bet. Winning 20 games this year would have been a stretch unless you had a healthy Jontay & Mark Smith. I think 18 wins next year is a great over/under but that is a long ways away. This program is heading in the right direction. The young core will only get better and he addition of Dru Smith should really help.
I don't believe that is going to be a problem. Marked improvement to me would be 18-20 wins and .500 record in the conference.
I don't think it will. I don't want to deal with that, but I think he would be ok anyway.
There are far too many Santos/Suggs/Mitchell Smith/Nikko types on the roster. Guys that are probably in over their head, and a far bigger piece of the rotation than would be at a school like MU. Then you've got the Porter injuries, Tilmon's lack of ability to play like someone who doesn't suffer from some sort of brain disorder, and a bunch of lackluster freshmen...and this is what you've got. I think the Porter injuries should buy some time. But there should be concern over talent evaluation and the ability to get through to players. Even a Dru Smith isn't going to save the day. Averaging 13 as a soph in the MVC is nice, but it's not P5 hoops. The young guys will get better and improve, but they did under KA too. But a 3-star is ranked that for a reason. They're likely not to become huge difference makers, especially as a frosh or soph. Jackson and McKinney are nice players, but they're not saviors. They're a top 75 player and a top 180 player. For reference, they're Watson and Pinson/Pickett. And unless Martin purges (which he should definitely do), they're the new players to this same roster, along with Dru Smith.
HCCM is paid very well, in the top 25 in the country in college hoops. As quickly as rosters turn over in today's climate, I'm not sure a .500 record after three years is worth that kind of cash. It's not a very good ROI.
HCCM is paid very well, in the top 25 in the country in college hoops. As quickly as rosters turn over in today's climate, I'm not sure a .500 record after three years is worth that kind of cash. It's not a very good ROI.
TERMINATION BUYOUTS
If Martin is fired …
Missouri will not have the right fire Martin without cause for the first three contract years. Starting in his fourth year if MU fires him without cause Martin shall be continued to be paid monthly for the remainder of the contract with reductions for income received by Martin for that contract year to date and from other full-time employment during the remaining terms of the contract.
After the first time Mizzou wins 20 or more games and/or goes to the NCAA Tournament, the university will not have the right to fire Martin without cause until after his fourth year at which the buyout total increases.
If fired during Year 4, between May 1, 2020 and April 30, 2021, Martin receives $6 million.
If fired during Year 5, between May 1, 2021 and April 30, 2022, Martin receives $3 million — unless the team has won 20 games or made the NCAAs. Then the buyout doubles to $6 million.
If fired during Year 6, between May 1, 2022 and April 30, 2023, Martin receives $1 million — unless the team has won 20 games or made the NCAAs. Then the buyout jumps to $3 million. If MU has won 20 games twice or made two NCAAs, the buyout is back to $6 million.
If fired during or after Year 7, between May 1, 2023 and April 30, 2024, Martin receives $300,000 — unless the team has won 20 games or made the NCAAs once. Then the buyout jumps to $1 million. Two 20-win seasons or NCAAs, it’s $3 million. Three 20-win seasons or NCAAs, it’s $3.3 million.
If Martin is fired …
Missouri will not have the right fire Martin without cause for the first three contract years. Starting in his fourth year if MU fires him without cause Martin shall be continued to be paid monthly for the remainder of the contract with reductions for income received by Martin for that contract year to date and from other full-time employment during the remaining terms of the contract.
After the first time Mizzou wins 20 or more games and/or goes to the NCAA Tournament, the university will not have the right to fire Martin without cause until after his fourth year at which the buyout total increases.
If fired during Year 4, between May 1, 2020 and April 30, 2021, Martin receives $6 million.
If fired during Year 5, between May 1, 2021 and April 30, 2022, Martin receives $3 million — unless the team has won 20 games or made the NCAAs. Then the buyout doubles to $6 million.
If fired during Year 6, between May 1, 2022 and April 30, 2023, Martin receives $1 million — unless the team has won 20 games or made the NCAAs. Then the buyout jumps to $3 million. If MU has won 20 games twice or made two NCAAs, the buyout is back to $6 million.
If fired during or after Year 7, between May 1, 2023 and April 30, 2024, Martin receives $300,000 — unless the team has won 20 games or made the NCAAs once. Then the buyout jumps to $1 million. Two 20-win seasons or NCAAs, it’s $3 million. Three 20-win seasons or NCAAs, it’s $3.3 million.
Eagle Ball made an accurate call on the state of the Missouri Tigers basketball program. semo74 is calling a " Marked Improvement " for the Missouri Tigers?. Marked Improvement to me is an Obvious and noticeable change on the won-lose record and great improvement for the Missouri Tiger roster. I just don't see anything big going on with the Missouri roster. I believe semo74 is betting on the come and that's a loser most of the time in Las Vegas. I am a big believer in what the Vegas boys have to say.
Missouri athletic Director Jim Sterk went all in on Cuonzo Martin and Porter Sr. It would be difficult for Missouri AD Jim Sterk to make changes this early in a seven year 21 million dollar contract. Michael Porter Sr. is the 5th highest paid ( $ 500,000.00 per year ) asst coach in NCCA college basketball. Jim Sterk owns the signing of Martin and Porter Sr. and could be troubling for him in future hiring. If the won-lose record and the attendants does not improve, changes could be made after next year if outside money comes in to rescue and pays off a bad contract.
Eagles_ball that’s pretty much exactly what I’ve thought for sometime. I don’t see big recruits listed so far. McKinney I think is a question at next level. The one game I saw him play he didn’t play first quarter. I’m assuming some type of discipline issue. The other night I hear was a major issue.
I heard all about Martin being great recruiter. But I don’t feel he was that successful at Missouri state, Tennessee or California. And in the scheme of things, who leaves Tennessee for Cal?????
Don't put words in my mouth fellow. I'm not ecstatic with this year, but I have sense enough not to get my panties in a bunch and try and say the coach is not doing a good job. That is your style, not mine. Don't say I'm thrilled with the progress this year, but I am reasonably optimistic that a coach with a track record as good as Martin will get this turned around starting next year. You might need to be as mature as a man your age should be.
washMoSports, why are you so rough on Cuons Martin? Did Cuons Martin rough up your dog? I believe I have Martin's problem @ Missouri.
Cuons Martin will need ten different banks each year to deposit his 2.7 million dollars salary from Jim Sterk the AD for the University of Missouri. Banks only insure $ 250,000.00 per deposit in each bank. This means it would take ten banks to insure Coach Martin's salary each year. semo74 has stated on MoSports Cuons Martin is well worth the 2.7 million and even more and he's seen " Marked Improvement " by the Tiger basketball team. Some posters have questioned if the tax payers of Missouri are getting their moneys worth in terms of wins and recruiting SEC type basketball players @ Missouri.
semo74 could have the last laugh and word if Cuons Martin and Porter Sr. turns this ship around @ Missouri.
