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Meanwhile in Class One

It's been a problem for all southern Missouri CLASS 1 teams. CLASS 1 Thayer has been in a SWMO district for over 20 years. That's around 200 miles each way. The Bobcats usually win so that's 3 600-mile trips for one school or the other.
Used to be every 5 days too! I remember Tipton traveling to Hayti on a week night to play in a play off game. Mr. Norman, bless his soul, told coaches and players to be at school the next day.. If the story is correct, that would be a short night.
 
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So explain to the class what step 3 means with all the talk about class 1.

Thanks.
Class 1 can go over the 2.0 differential as in the lowest school could possibly be a 40 enrollemt school so the 2.0 break would be 80 but as we know Class 1 goes beyond as such and that is why Class 1 is different and does not follow the 2.0 rule.
 
Alright calculating the classes has several steps based upon MSHSAA manual there is a dozen steps in which to prevent schools from playing schools more than twice their size or in their case what they specify 2.0. Here is the official documentation.

Classification: District and State Tournament procedures are covered in By-Law 5.1, including the collection of enrollment data and the general procedures for classification. This information serves to further describe the procedures for classification breaks and district assignment release.

Annual Schedule for Schools Reclassification: MSHSAA member schools are classified annually based on updated school enrollment figures. The schools in each classification, or class, will compete against one another in MSHSAA-sponsored district and/ or state competition. The District and State Music Festivals are evaluative only. MSHSAA does not sponsor state championships in “emerging sports/activities” (see By-Law 5.2) and there are no classifications.

Determination of Classification Breaks Between Classes: The activities sponsored by MSHSAA are broken into classes based on school enrollment. Once classes are established based on the classification procedures, the classification breaks are defined. Classification breaks are the numerical enrollment lines which describe the enrollment span of a particular class, and are based on the largest school’s enrollment in that class.

Classification Procedures:

1. Official Enrollments Finalized and Registrations Reviewed: Enrollments declared and finalized; enrollments are combined 2023-24 MSHSAA OFFICIAL HANDBOOK Page 125 BOARD POLICIES for the schools in Cooperative Sponsorships (sport/activity specific). For the sports of cross country and track & field, determine which gender has more registrations, and begin Step 2 with that gender. (See By-Law 5.1)

2. Break into Last Year’s Classes: In enrollment order, place the current year’s registered schools a) into the same number of classes as the prior year, and b) into the same numbers per class as the prior year.

3. 2.0 Differential Review: Calculate the enrollment differential for each class by dividing the largest school’s enrollment by the smallest school’s enrollment. Determine if the differential for each class, other than Class 1, is 2.0 or below (differentials from 2.01 to 2.04 will be rounded down to 2.0). If all classes above Class 1 have a differential of 2.0 or less, the number of classes are final (end of procedure, see Step 7). If any class’s differential (other than Class 1) is greater than 2.0, the number of schools in the upper classes should be adjusted to see if, by moving schools down from a larger class into a smaller class, all differentials can be made to meet the 2.0 limit. Moving up from Class 1, the class counts should either be equal to the number in Class 1 or the count should decrease as the class number increases (preserving an equal or waterfall approach) AND all differentials, other than Class 1, should be at 2.0 or below. If this is successful, the procedure ends; see Step 7.

4. Efforts to Stay Consistent: Attempts will be made to adjust the class lines and the numbers in the classes while maintaining the 2.0 differential BEFORE adding a class. (See Classification Note 8.) If this is not possible, move to Step 5.

5. Add a Class: Increase the number of classes by one and place up to the applicable percentage of the total schools in the sport/activity into Class 1. (See also Notes 1 and 2). Number of Classes after adding a class Now 2 classes Now 3 classes Now 4 classes Now 5 classes Now 6 classes Max percentage of total to place in Class 1 70% 50% 30% 25% 20%

6. Percentage in Class 1 and Equally Divide the Rest: Equally distribute the remaining percentage of schools into the rest of the classes above Class 1. Return to Step 3 and review the differentials. Repeat as needed until the number of classes is finalized.

7. Ties: Enrollment ties across a class break will be ignored until after the Championship Factor has reclassified schools, due to those changes solving most ties.

8. Championship Factor Review and Adjustments: Move to Championship Factor section below for this second step of the classification process.

Classification Notes:
1. The maximum number of schools in a class for football is 64.
2. The maximum number of schools in a class for team sports is 128, and the minimum number of schools in a class for team sports is 32.
3. 8-Man football: The total enrollment of participating schools or co-ops must be 150 or less (grades 9,10,11).
WHo has time to read all that..
Here, here! That post was A LOT of words AND had numbers mixed in!!
 
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Here, here! That post was A LOT of words AND had numbers mixed in!!
Bosko doens't math
Thinking Think GIF by Rodney Dangerfield
 
Class 1 can go over the 2.0 differential as in the lowest school could possibly be a 40 enrollemt school so the 2.0 break would be 80 but as we know Class 1 goes beyond as such and that is why Class 1 is different and does not follow the 2.0 rule.
so why 36?
 
the important part is class .5 is way over the 2.0 'limit' anyways with 82 to 172.

so why not go to 8 districts of 5 teams to balance it out geographically?

Logic
Let me guess if it was the bottom 40 Adrian would be class 1 and then they could avoid their likely curb stomping from Lamar?

Would you be calling it class .5 if Adrian was in it?

The good news is with as many teams that keep going 8 man Adrian could find themselves back in class 1 soon enough.
 
Let me guess if it was the bottom 40 Adrian would be class 1 and then they could avoid their likely curb stomping from Lamar?

Would you be calling it class .5 if Adrian was in it?

The good news is with as many teams that keep going 8 man Adrian could find themselves back in class 1 soon enough.
Nah it makes no sense to have 4 districts of 9 teams literally from one side of the state to the other.

To be the man, you gotta beat the man. No matter what level of the playoffs.
 
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To keep it as close to the 2.0 margin as possible. To increase that number takes it further up from that margin. If you then look at the rest then you have those even numbers throughout 2-5 of 56/57 respectfully and of course 6 is just different.
So 176 would have been so much worse than 172?
That smallest team in .5 (which said before the season they were going 8 man next year) played a 176 this season. They survived. No score was ran up.
 
To keep it as close to the 2.0 margin as possible. To increase that number takes it further up from that margin. If you then look at the rest then you have those even numbers throughout 2-5 of 56/57 respectfully and of course 6 is just different.
Also going from 172 to 176 means going from 2.1 to 2.15

Not really a good argument imo to make the ridiculous districts they did.
 
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I don't think the margin is that significant the lower you go. You are literally dividing out from the very bottom in class 1 so that number is a little skewed.

Class .5 with only 36 teams is a very watered down class.

Nothing against those kids and good luck to all the teams in that class but the big argument with this 2.0 margin doesn't really mean that much to me for Class 1 considering you are using the smallest school as your base divider for the margin.

Maybe I am wrong but I just don't think this was a smart move.
 
It will be VERY interesting to see how these traditional Class 1 schools fair this year in Class 2.

East Buch
Adrian
South Shelby
 
I don't think the margin is that significant the lower you go. You are literally dividing out from the very bottom in class 1 so that number is a little skewed.

Class .5 with only 36 teams is a very watered down class.

Nothing against those kids and good luck to all the teams in that class but the big argument with this 2.0 margin doesn't really mean that much to me for Class 1 considering you are using the smallest school as your base divider for the margin.

Maybe I am wrong but I just don't think this was a smart move.
yep that 2.1 turns into 1.68 if you go to the 2nd smallest 11 man team.

But the powers that be knew that. Will they readjust since WN was going 8 man anyway? Midway had really good numbers at 102 enrollment.
 
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Let me guess if it was the bottom 40 Adrian would be class 1 and then they could avoid their likely curb stomping from Lamar?

Would you be calling it class .5 if Adrian was in it?

The good news is with as many teams that keep going 8 man Adrian could find themselves back in class 1 soon enough.
Shouldn't ask questions you already know the answer to. But I will say, it has been impressive by Veer the way he's kept after MSHSAA's ass for 10 weeks on this subject. '23 will always be what could have been for his boys, but I think he might actually change some minds if he keeps beating the drum. GIVE US 40!

Hayti traveling 562 miles ( 9 hours and 20 mins) tonight for a district game at Miller.

What happens if they win? Glad you asked!!!

They then travel 542 miles ( 9 hours and 16 mins) next week to play at Marionville.
Don't feel sorry for them, if the rolls were reversed they would happily welcome you to Hayti Heights and see how high they can run it up & send you on your way. Just a part of the game.
 
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Shouldn't ask questions you already know the answer to. But I will say, it has been impressive by Veer the way he's kept after MSHSAA's ass for 10 weeks on this subject. '23 will always be what could have been for his boys, but I think he might actually change some minds if he keeps beating the drum. GIVE US 40!


Don't feel sorry for them, if the rolls were reversed they would happily welcome you to Hayti Heights and see how high they can run it up & send you on your way. Just a part of the game.
I'm just getting started. It's amazing what a few calls to legislators can do to clarify what's happening.

10 hour drives before the playoffs isn't part of the game. Regional districts? Ya that's part of the game.
 
I'm just getting started. It's amazing what a few calls to legislators can do to clarify what's happening.

10 hour drives before the playoffs isn't part of the game. Regional districts? Ya that's part of the game.
20 hours of bus rides before the district championship game. OUCH!
 
"I'm just getting started. It's amazing what a few calls to legislators can do to clarify what's happening."

Go Veer Go!

Pierce City has some big classes coming up. If they get bumped up, I'll be going into Class 0.5 mode as well.

I had a rain day, so I read the whole misha post. It seems they want to keep Class 2 through Class 5.5 schools from playing other schools twice their size in the districts. To accomplish this, they totally wrecked Class 1 districts in Southern Missouri. When open enrollment is in play, Class 1 will probably become a memory. Why go play 8-man at Jasper when I can play real football at Carthage?

5 classes evenly split.
 
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"I'm just getting started. It's amazing what a few calls to legislators can do to clarify what's happening."

Go Veer Go!

Pierce City has some big classes coming up. If they get bumped up, I'll be going into Class 0.5 mode as well.

I had a rain day, so I read the whole misha post. It seems they want to keep Class 2 through Class 5.5 schools from playing other schools twice their size in the districts. To accomplish this, they totally wrecked Class 1 districts in Southern Missouri. When open enrollment is in play, Class 1 will probably become a memory. Why go play 8-man at Jasper when I can play real football at Carthage?

5 classes evenly split.
Honestly 6 evenly split would make the most sense so it will never happen. Too many agendas on the board.
 
All joking aside.

I think the way class 1 districts is setup is asinine. But you could fix the problem many ways even with the current 36 schools.

Defeats the purpose of a “district” if the the district covers from one side of the state to the other.
 
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Hayti traveling 562 miles ( 9 hours and 20 mins) tonight for a district game at Miller.

What happens if they win? Glad you asked!!!

They then travel 542 miles ( 9 hours and 16 mins) next week to play at Marionville.

Phew. Some real rocket surgeons making decisions up there in Columbia.
it makes since to me that the top 4 teams make it to the playoffs and save teams the utter embarrassment of a beat down of a 40 points loss.
 
class .5 should of been 4 team districts. Does anyone at MSHSAA knows what for 4 Teams districts are!!…. Yes they’re would be still 28 or 36 teams not playing but still the travel freaking ridiculous crazy.

D1
1. Portageville 54.43
2. Thayer 42.74
3. Cabool 40.28
4. Charleston 30.56
5. Hayti 23.84

D2 (Only District that will have travel over 5+ Hours roundtrip)
1. St Vincent 51.70
2. Van-Far 40.89
3. Crystal City 46.73
4. Chafee 34.56
5. Louisiana 29.42

D3
1. Marionville 55.62
2. Ash Grove 39.22
3. Pierce City 27.25
4. Miller 27.09

D4
1. Tipton 46.36
2. Windsor 40.08
3. Skyline 30.97
4. Lincoln 24.62
5. Russellville 23.19

D5
1. Westran 44.69
2. Salisbury 32.63
3. Harrisburg 28.94
4. Fayette 20.37

D6
1. Milan 45.09
2. Marceline 37.58
3. Putnam County 25.66
4. Scotland County 23.33

D7
1. Penney 38.90
2. Polo 38.4
3. Maysville 30.66
4. Gallatin 19.66

D8
1. North platte 47.08
2. Crest Ridge 37.98
3. Midway 31.95
4. West Platte 30.83
5. Wellington-Napoleon 23.85
 
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There are still 10 best out of 36 (or the 40 I suggested). Just because they may not be as good as a top 10 team in Class 2 doesn’t mean there shouldn’t be a Top 10 in Class 1. It is a comparison of their peers.
I agree. It's disrespectful to the "also receiving votes" kid's teams.

They're not in the suburbs, so let's just rank 5 of 'em.
 
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I agree. It's disrespectful to the "also receiving votes" kid's teams.

They're not in the suburbs, so let's just rank 5 of 'em.
Will make it that much sweeter when an unranked team wins a state title.
Happens all the time.
 
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