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11 years ago, I was prescribed a routine drug for a condition I had, 4 weeks later I am in the hospital and several times I almost died 2 weeks later after several test and countless heart test I was finally released. We found out that I had an underlying heart condition that the drug I was prescribed had exasperated ...I never knew I had it.. and my family doctor never knew it, it was undetectable until I took that drug, our bodies are amazing...
There is certainly always going to be a risk when taking meds and that goes for any meds not just this vaccine one of my close freinds back in my 20's died from taking an over the counter alergy drug just had a reaction to it and died while sleeping...And I certainly understand why people would be hesitant, and I don’t blame them you have to do what is best for you by consulting your doctor not the local facebook expert.
And please don’t go out giving medical advice or try to scare off others who might be considering it. Again that too should be their personal choice. I don’t need to hear about your uncle Roy’s Chicken study that proved the vaccine killed 8 out of 10 of his chickens and the other two are shedding the virus and gave it to his hogs who turned into to sheep, again seek advice from your local doctor and pharmacist. Because who are you going to go to when you actually need medical care? It's not going to be facebook or twitter.. I hope anyways. I am sure @503_Maple can do something for you he has said he knows more than anybody....
Well good. I'm glad I have your blessing to do what is right. Since I have already had COVID, and can rely on long term robust immunity from T and B cells, I will pass. I am not trying to scare anyone. These things happened. If someone is scared, that is on them. My uncle got a great vax shot from the VA in the 1960s that paralyzed his tongue. Should I be scared from that?
While I am not keen on mandates, especially for a drug that has not been fully approved, or for things like masks that depending on the type and application are mostly a charade... I do advocate people get the shot. I know a handful of people who are really amped up about the vaccine because they know someone who knows someone that died or was disabled or something from the vaccine. But I personally don't know a soul that has had anything worse than a day or two of feeling crummy. And most people have had little or no symptoms.
On the other hand I know a ****load of people who have died from covid. So to me it seems like a no brainer to get the shot especially for anyone with ANY kind of underlying condition or over the age of like 40.
Of course everything these days is muddied up by what person's version of the facts are. Seems like everyone has a different opinion on the facts depending on which politicians they trust as gospel and if they make decisions from here-say on social media on at a bbq. And "follow the science" has become a silly cliche because even science is skewed or selectively used to advance political agendas now.
Just strange that so many people have such wildly different versions of that is 'truth'.
On the other hand I know a ****load of people who have died from covid. So to me it seems like a no brainer to get the shot especially for anyone with ANY kind of underlying condition or over the age of like 40.
Of course everything these days is muddied up by what person's version of the facts are. Seems like everyone has a different opinion on the facts depending on which politicians they trust as gospel and if they make decisions from here-say on social media on at a bbq. And "follow the science" has become a silly cliche because even science is skewed or selectively used to advance political agendas now.
Just strange that so many people have such wildly different versions of that is 'truth'.
1) CDC Data 2) Peer reviewed studies 3) Common knowledge about viruses 4) observation of the experience of people around me. Politics have nothing to do with it.
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As far back as I remember, people die every day. Loved ones, strangers, acquaintances; they die every day. The Deaths particularly related to this pandemic are being exploited by those who benefit from it. That’s all I’m saying. You are good at writing; not so good at reading for understanding.
This post made me turn my phone upside down!
That's obviously what's so crazy about it - my parents in their 70's both get it, have a headache and runny nose for about 3 days and all good. My 40 yr old sister, healthy and in shape gets it and is sick as a dog for a week and a half. Everybody has one of these "my cousin works for Mercy" stories, but mine says its worse this go around, and about 90+ % of the folks they see did not have the vaccine.
What I don't get - the folks who don't trust the "corrupt and lying CDC and WHO", use the defense that "it is not FDA approved". Why do they trust the FDA but not the others?
What I also don't get - "I'm not putting something foreign in (pauses to take a bite of their big mac that won't mold after 6 years, a drag of of their vape, then a big gulp of a energy drink) my body".
I get it is is a personal choice. I also don't get not listening to folks like my kids pediatrician who is educated from Johns Hopkins and Stanford medical. If he says take it, I and my kids did, then take his word.
The problem I see is school districts have basically been hands off of it since school let out. Summer school and summer workouts, fall camp with no word or advice. Most starting back with masking strongly recommended. Gonna be hard to ever tighten the straps after they have already been loosened.
This is me in a nutshell. Sorta what started me down the path of not being scared to go outside my own house back in May 2020. I talked to a few docs. Same thing with the vaccine. I asked my kids docs when they had appointments. Honestly, the only reason I got the shot was so I could ditch the mask. And I’m a firm believer they have next to zero efficacy anyway. Funny thing, as I talk to their docs none seemed to mention it’s our “duty” to protect others. All three I spoke with had somewhat the same response. It’s nasty, but the vaccine was rushed for emergency use for those at high risk. Said sure, we wish more would do it but certainly understand why there’s skepticism. All three were also pretty quick to mention the timeframe these were done can’t really be compared to vaccines of the past merely based on how quickly data/information is shared now. Said basically the only component that can be the same are the trials, but the ability to instantly process and share that data is still much faster. All stated (and you would think any rational person gets this) that the vaccine will probably have plenty of breakthrough cases, but the whole point of it is to lessen the transmission and most importantly lessen the severity. After all, that’s what vaccines for viral infections do. All seemed to think if the people that should get the vaccine (elderly, high risk) would get the vaccine, we wouldn’t be in the position we’re in. And one even said that’s why she doesn’t necessarily think it’s the duty of everyone else to protect others. It was an eye-opening conversation, and quite a look behind the curtain of the obvious frustrations of the docs.
All the doctors I have talked to about it have said the unknown side effects of COVID are worse than the unknown side effects of the vaccine. To each their own though. Everyone has a strong opinion, but the hate and rudeness over it is out of control.
You talked to some docs.....guys?
They said they were real docs!
Well maybe if the people weren’t lied to every second of everyday that more people would listen to these so called experts. It really doesn’t matter if their experts if they aren’t telling us the truth.
face masks for instance at the very beginning we were told don’t work and and there is no need to wear them, the Fauci says he just said that so there would be masks available for the medical field. Then we’re told to wear them, now the other day a Dr for the Biden administration goes on CNN and says cloth masks do little to nothing to preventing the spread and only N95 masks work. So, we’re back to them not working in the mean time the country is more divided and they still have people wearing underwear for masks against a virus. It’s a complete joke and it’s in theatre only. So unless they are giving out N95 masks they ain’t worth a damn.
As far as the vaccine I don’t get this mandate stuff. Should be up to everyone if they want the jab or not. I mean both my in laws got the jab and both got covid. So we have a vaccine that really doesn’t work. We’re told that it helps us get over it quicker but who the hell knows. I just don’t see the risk in taking a jab that really doesn’t prevent you from getting the virus but again to each their own.
face masks for instance at the very beginning we were told don’t work and and there is no need to wear them, the Fauci says he just said that so there would be masks available for the medical field. Then we’re told to wear them, now the other day a Dr for the Biden administration goes on CNN and says cloth masks do little to nothing to preventing the spread and only N95 masks work. So, we’re back to them not working in the mean time the country is more divided and they still have people wearing underwear for masks against a virus. It’s a complete joke and it’s in theatre only. So unless they are giving out N95 masks they ain’t worth a damn.
As far as the vaccine I don’t get this mandate stuff. Should be up to everyone if they want the jab or not. I mean both my in laws got the jab and both got covid. So we have a vaccine that really doesn’t work. We’re told that it helps us get over it quicker but who the hell knows. I just don’t see the risk in taking a jab that really doesn’t prevent you from getting the virus but again to each their own.
I'm not going to say people have to take it or not. You all can decide on your own. You've been told what it can do and can face the consequences of your decisions. It's like my dad who smoked 4 to 6 packs of Camel straights a day. I said dad, that stuff is going to kill you. He would always look at me and laugh. He had a heart attack at 50. Didn't stop. Visited me on a Thanksgiving had to go to icu and was intubated and spent 2 mo here. Wouldn't stop. Life flighted to another hospital. I drove him home and he smoked. Had to help him go to the bathroom cause he couldn't walk 5 ft and drop his pants and wipe his butt. Do what you want.
Yeah I had covid last Christmas. I was still able to walk to the bathroom and wipe my ass. Amazing I know.🤷♂️
I had Covid last October. Didn’t quite put me in the hospital but kicked by ass pretty good. Got the phizer shots in March. About 20 hours after the second shot I had a huge Afib episode and just about went to hospital.
FWIW I would get the shot again and I think it is probably like a 70/30 thing and your chances are better getting the shot than not but I totally get the reluctance of people to get the shot and it is not out of ignorance. You take a risk (probably greater)not getting a shot but for a significant minority the shot may do more harm than good. I know people that died from Covid and I know other people who have had health problems after getting the shot, at least the phizer one. I really haven’t heard anything bad about Moderna or J&J in particular, I do think once you get below a certain age, certainly if you are college age or a teenager I think the vaccine may be more risky than getting Covid.
Now masks by and large are just theater and remain theater if you are around someone more than a few minutes.
FWIW I would get the shot again and I think it is probably like a 70/30 thing and your chances are better getting the shot than not but I totally get the reluctance of people to get the shot and it is not out of ignorance. You take a risk (probably greater)not getting a shot but for a significant minority the shot may do more harm than good. I know people that died from Covid and I know other people who have had health problems after getting the shot, at least the phizer one. I really haven’t heard anything bad about Moderna or J&J in particular, I do think once you get below a certain age, certainly if you are college age or a teenager I think the vaccine may be more risky than getting Covid.
Now masks by and large are just theater and remain theater if you are around someone more than a few minutes.
What about Cal-Poly?
@da bears 25 I'm glad you can. My dad died in 2018 so he didn't have to deal with shit. I guess you didn't get my story. That's alright it's DOK 3 or higher.
A family member got into an argument with a friend of hers on facebook about this. Later they got covid bad and they knew she worked on the covid ward so they began texting her for advice...She basically told them to consult facebook since they thought it was more reliable than medical experts.
Okay there you clown! For the record, the Ampipe Community College is a fine educational institution. Lots of Ampipe grads have gone there to further their education, then go on to do great things.
Many have gone on to fulfill wonderful careers as doctors, lawyers, and IT professionals. Sadly, a high percentage still end up working at the steel mill.
First off, you clearly did NOT go to the Ampipe Community College, as those graduates know how to spell the work FIXED!! Second, only Vinnie has gone to prison!! So NICE TRY!!
I love the argument from a point of authority. Degrees don’t even determine consensus agreements within science, people with the same education don’t agree. I guess the difference between you and me is I don’t just assume someone knows what they are talking about. Just because they have a degree. I mean, if you got told you had a cancer, but you wanted a second opinion would you not show “distrust” towards one doctor and get one? Before you take something or endure something. Maybe you don’t need a degree to research and listen to different voices.
Oh and have to point out, you are being catty which is cool. But don’t pretend I’m the only one. I’m sorry this is a emotional thing for you. But I’m sure on 99 percent of topics we’d find things in common. This isn’t personal. But it is a heated topic.
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Pretty sure 99.9 percent of people who take the personal choice to not get the vaccine will survive. But smoking your whole life is much less likely to be survivable. Sorry to poke a hole in your “I’m not going to tell you, but I’m telling you” example.
I wasn't comparing smoking to covid. I was comparing choices. There are tons of people that have smoked that haven't died from it. Yes a lot will live from the covid. You never know exactly who is going to make it. Kind of the same with smoking. Hey, we are all going to die someday, some sooner than others so don't worry about it.
Me Chatty? Because I want to know your qualifications because you claim to know more than all others on a subject? LOL
Flu Deaths Dropped 97 Percent In 2020. That's Amazing News
The United States had a banner year for kicking the flu out the door.
COVID-19 “ Experimental” Vaccines
You have the right to make an informed decision about your health and your future and you may be asking: Should I take this experimental vaccine? Here are a few facts you should consider to help you make an informed decision.
Facts:
1. According to the Pharmaceutical Companies themselves, these vaccines may not prevent the SARS-COV-2 virus: Evidence:
a. From the Moderna and Pfizer Vaccine Fact Sheets: The (Moderna/Pfizer) COVID-19
Vaccine is a vaccine and may prevent you from getting COVID-19. There are no FDA
approved vaccines to prevent COVID-19.
b. However, the handout you get when they give you the shot, says it “...has been authorized to prevent COVID-19”, so they are lying about it. They are experimental and have been approved by FDA and CDC via an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) but have not been fully tested.
2. These vaccines are experimental compounds that use “synthetic messenger RNA (mRNA)” housed in fat cells. In 2005 an animal study was done with SARS-CoV-1 mRNA vaccines on ferrets. Two doses were administered in the same manner as the SARS-CoV-2, aka, COVID- 19 mRNA Vaccines. The ferrets showed no adverse reaction and seemed to be completely healthy. After some time, the ferrets were exposed to the SARS-CoV-1 coronavirus in the wild. The ferrets died. The mRNA Vaccine had caused a cytokine storm, a fatal cascade of exaggerated immune responses. The SARS-CoV-1 vaccines was not further developed.
3. Big Parma has asked for the normally required animal studies for the CoV19 vaccine to be waived. It was waived for EUA purposes, so there have been no long-term animal studies to see if this could happen with these new mRNA vaccines. WHY?
4. Because these vaccines may or may not prevent infection, and as some reports show, only reduce symptoms, why take something that does not prevent the infection in the first place. It is a proven fact, with hundreds of scientific studies to prove it, that Zinc and Zinc ionophores can prevent or mitigate infection in the first place; take them as supplements and you are protected. The CDC recently said that 80% of all people who were infected with COVID-19 were deficient in Vitamin D, another Zinc ligand (metal binding) ionophore (transporter). And this helps explains why Sub-Saharan Africa and other countries where most people are in the sun a lot only have marginal deaths from this virus.
5. Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) is a 65-year-old drug that has been shown to stop an infection if taken within the first 2 – 7 days of getting symptoms from COVID-19. So, if you are taking your preventative Vitamins like C, D, E and Quercetin, and/or other supplements like Melatonin plus Zinc, and for some reason this doesn’t prevent infection, you can stop it with HCQ + zinc; which is readily available online.
6. Other synthetic drugs like Budesonide, Dexamethasone, Ivermectin as well as natural substances (i.e., vitamins, flavonoids, amino acids, and hormones) can be found in the Pharmaceutical Zinc20 database, a database funded by a subsidiary of NIH. This database is comprised of ligands, which carry metals like Zinc, Calcium and other micronutrients present in our blood serum and transport them across cell membranes into the body of the cell (cytoplasm) to help our immune system fight infection. Like HCQ, these synthetic drugs need zinc and other micronutrient metals to work. Dr. Zelenko uses the analogy “the drug is
1
COVID-19 “ Experimental” Vaccines
the gun and zinc is the bullet” which is essential to stopping the viral reproduction and
resulting infection.
7. Because these “Vaccines” are unproven experimental substances, we won’t know what side
effects may occur for months or years to come, but it may result in a long-term unnatural human manipulation of our DNA building blocks. Do you really want to take that risk or risk your children’s lives? Especially since:
8. There is no pandemic. The number of deaths from COVID-19, which is highly inflated, is no worse than a bad flu season. And your chances of dying from it, even if you do nothing to protect yourself as defined in #3 and #4 above, are very small according to CDC data. Especially if you are under 60 years old.
9. Since both experimental vaccines are EUA, both Pfizer and Moderna are indemnified from all legal action resulting from patients experiencing side effects; including death. Since they assume no risk, you are the one who takes all of it! And according to Dr. Sherri Tenpenny that is not a good idea.
10. According to Dr. Richard Fleming, Ph.D, MD, JD, a renowned cardiologist and researcher, there is a chance that the mRNA from the vaccine can be incorporated into your human DNA by action of the reverse transcriptase enzyme present in the vaccine. This may affect your auto immune system and result in various auto immune diseases. However, for all you who are taking zinc supplements + ionophores and decide to get vaccinated, Dr Fleming stated that he believes Zinc does appear to interfere with the mRNA process of the vaccines to make the spike protein. This means it will probably reduce the symptoms you can get, so make sure you are taking them.
11. The vaccine nano particles of lipid/fat composition, in which the mRNA is transported into your cells, has never been used before in human trials and long-term health effects have not been determined. These lipid nano particles bind with the normal fats in cell membranes and allow entry of thousands of the synthetic mRNA vaccine into your muscle cells. Unlike the virus RNA which has to enter through the ACE-2 receptors found on cells, the nano particles create new pathways into cells. Because the ACE-2 receptor sites are where the normal entry of the virus occurs, bypassing this means a greater amount of mRNA can enter the cell producing increased amounts of the spike protein exacerbating the immune response to the virus. This increased immune reaction can produce the very InflammoThrombotic Response (ITR) responsible for so many deaths. Again, long-term health effects are not known since long-term studies in lab animals have not been conducted. We humans have become the lab rats.
12. According to Dr. Simone Gold, MD, JD, Pharmaceutical companies will track and measure all side effects from these experimental vaccines and enter data into the CDC VAERS database in order to perform statistics on us human guinea pigs/rats. Like real lab animals you cannot sue these pharmaceutical companies for suffering from any side effects after taking these experimental vaccines. However, companies requiring CoV19 vaccinations as a requirement for employment may be subject to legal action since it violates our civil rights.
13. The choice to take an experimental EUA COVID-19 vaccine is yours to make. Hopefully we have given you the facts to make a better-informed decision.
Good luck and good health to you all.
You have the right to make an informed decision about your health and your future and you may be asking: Should I take this experimental vaccine? Here are a few facts you should consider to help you make an informed decision.
Facts:
1. According to the Pharmaceutical Companies themselves, these vaccines may not prevent the SARS-COV-2 virus: Evidence:
a. From the Moderna and Pfizer Vaccine Fact Sheets: The (Moderna/Pfizer) COVID-19
Vaccine is a vaccine and may prevent you from getting COVID-19. There are no FDA
approved vaccines to prevent COVID-19.
b. However, the handout you get when they give you the shot, says it “...has been authorized to prevent COVID-19”, so they are lying about it. They are experimental and have been approved by FDA and CDC via an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) but have not been fully tested.
2. These vaccines are experimental compounds that use “synthetic messenger RNA (mRNA)” housed in fat cells. In 2005 an animal study was done with SARS-CoV-1 mRNA vaccines on ferrets. Two doses were administered in the same manner as the SARS-CoV-2, aka, COVID- 19 mRNA Vaccines. The ferrets showed no adverse reaction and seemed to be completely healthy. After some time, the ferrets were exposed to the SARS-CoV-1 coronavirus in the wild. The ferrets died. The mRNA Vaccine had caused a cytokine storm, a fatal cascade of exaggerated immune responses. The SARS-CoV-1 vaccines was not further developed.
3. Big Parma has asked for the normally required animal studies for the CoV19 vaccine to be waived. It was waived for EUA purposes, so there have been no long-term animal studies to see if this could happen with these new mRNA vaccines. WHY?
4. Because these vaccines may or may not prevent infection, and as some reports show, only reduce symptoms, why take something that does not prevent the infection in the first place. It is a proven fact, with hundreds of scientific studies to prove it, that Zinc and Zinc ionophores can prevent or mitigate infection in the first place; take them as supplements and you are protected. The CDC recently said that 80% of all people who were infected with COVID-19 were deficient in Vitamin D, another Zinc ligand (metal binding) ionophore (transporter). And this helps explains why Sub-Saharan Africa and other countries where most people are in the sun a lot only have marginal deaths from this virus.
5. Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) is a 65-year-old drug that has been shown to stop an infection if taken within the first 2 – 7 days of getting symptoms from COVID-19. So, if you are taking your preventative Vitamins like C, D, E and Quercetin, and/or other supplements like Melatonin plus Zinc, and for some reason this doesn’t prevent infection, you can stop it with HCQ + zinc; which is readily available online.
6. Other synthetic drugs like Budesonide, Dexamethasone, Ivermectin as well as natural substances (i.e., vitamins, flavonoids, amino acids, and hormones) can be found in the Pharmaceutical Zinc20 database, a database funded by a subsidiary of NIH. This database is comprised of ligands, which carry metals like Zinc, Calcium and other micronutrients present in our blood serum and transport them across cell membranes into the body of the cell (cytoplasm) to help our immune system fight infection. Like HCQ, these synthetic drugs need zinc and other micronutrient metals to work. Dr. Zelenko uses the analogy “the drug is
1
COVID-19 “ Experimental” Vaccines
the gun and zinc is the bullet” which is essential to stopping the viral reproduction and
resulting infection.
7. Because these “Vaccines” are unproven experimental substances, we won’t know what side
effects may occur for months or years to come, but it may result in a long-term unnatural human manipulation of our DNA building blocks. Do you really want to take that risk or risk your children’s lives? Especially since:
8. There is no pandemic. The number of deaths from COVID-19, which is highly inflated, is no worse than a bad flu season. And your chances of dying from it, even if you do nothing to protect yourself as defined in #3 and #4 above, are very small according to CDC data. Especially if you are under 60 years old.
9. Since both experimental vaccines are EUA, both Pfizer and Moderna are indemnified from all legal action resulting from patients experiencing side effects; including death. Since they assume no risk, you are the one who takes all of it! And according to Dr. Sherri Tenpenny that is not a good idea.
10. According to Dr. Richard Fleming, Ph.D, MD, JD, a renowned cardiologist and researcher, there is a chance that the mRNA from the vaccine can be incorporated into your human DNA by action of the reverse transcriptase enzyme present in the vaccine. This may affect your auto immune system and result in various auto immune diseases. However, for all you who are taking zinc supplements + ionophores and decide to get vaccinated, Dr Fleming stated that he believes Zinc does appear to interfere with the mRNA process of the vaccines to make the spike protein. This means it will probably reduce the symptoms you can get, so make sure you are taking them.
11. The vaccine nano particles of lipid/fat composition, in which the mRNA is transported into your cells, has never been used before in human trials and long-term health effects have not been determined. These lipid nano particles bind with the normal fats in cell membranes and allow entry of thousands of the synthetic mRNA vaccine into your muscle cells. Unlike the virus RNA which has to enter through the ACE-2 receptors found on cells, the nano particles create new pathways into cells. Because the ACE-2 receptor sites are where the normal entry of the virus occurs, bypassing this means a greater amount of mRNA can enter the cell producing increased amounts of the spike protein exacerbating the immune response to the virus. This increased immune reaction can produce the very InflammoThrombotic Response (ITR) responsible for so many deaths. Again, long-term health effects are not known since long-term studies in lab animals have not been conducted. We humans have become the lab rats.
12. According to Dr. Simone Gold, MD, JD, Pharmaceutical companies will track and measure all side effects from these experimental vaccines and enter data into the CDC VAERS database in order to perform statistics on us human guinea pigs/rats. Like real lab animals you cannot sue these pharmaceutical companies for suffering from any side effects after taking these experimental vaccines. However, companies requiring CoV19 vaccinations as a requirement for employment may be subject to legal action since it violates our civil rights.
13. The choice to take an experimental EUA COVID-19 vaccine is yours to make. Hopefully we have given you the facts to make a better-informed decision.
Good luck and good health to you all.
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