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The honorable Reverand Jesse Jackson, the gift that keeps on giving.
He says it is not fair that a team CHEATS to win, and then gets punished for it.
Talk about wasting the race card, it has been misused so much as to be basically of no value. Folks like Jackson and Sharpton are terrible for people of color. They need to find a spokesman with something these two lack....integrity.
He says it is not fair that a team CHEATS to win, and then gets punished for it.
Talk about wasting the race card, it has been misused so much as to be basically of no value. Folks like Jackson and Sharpton are terrible for people of color. They need to find a spokesman with something these two lack....integrity.
President Obama said he still stood behind the kids and the way that they represented their city. Basically said it was the adults' fault and the kids should still be proud
Which is 100% correct
These kids don't have a freaking clue what's going on other than they were playing baseball. They won't understand how big the LLWS is or what actually happened for a few more years.....this coming from experience.
The kids didn't cheat. The adults around those kids cheated.
Well, it's mostly the adults fault. I am skeptical that none of the kids knew, especially ones from another league, that playing on another leagues all-star team wasn't exactly legal. When I was a 12-year old all star I knew if some kids from Joplin or Carl Junction were playing on the WC all-star team that it wasn't within the rules but it is possible that the adults all lied to the kids about what the rules exactly were and the kids believed them.
I don't really have a problem with what Obama said but I feel far more sympathy for the Las Vegas team that apparently played within the rules not to mention any other team that lost as a result of the cheating by this Little league. I've been an all-star coach and it is quite a bit of work you have to do to prove all players on your team are eligible. Little League is about as reputable an organization as you will find anywhere. You get caught cheating, you pay the price. Play by the freaking rules!
I didn't say I disagreed with the president, just simply reporting what he said. But on that topic, I agree that the kids should be proud only if they weren't aware of the rules being broken. The adults in the situation might have lied, and the kids just didn't know. Now if they kids DID know and were told to either lie, stretch the truth, or whatever, then that's a whole new story
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I think most 12 year old players are smart enough to know that the kids on their all star team were not the same kids they had been playing with/against in their League all year long.
They are but if their parents/coaches told them that it isn't against the rules for them to play with a neighboring league then some might believe them. I do agree in that I'm skeptical that every last one of them didn't know better.
Plus how many of those kids play traveling ball together?
The only year my group did not play traveling ball is age 12. other than that, we played with guys from Joplin, CJ and Baxter. So sure....maybe they knew they were from other cities. But when that's normal, how many 12 year olds care? They are playing baseball with the same friends as always.
But yea, sucks for the Vegas kids
The only year my group did not play traveling ball is age 12. other than that, we played with guys from Joplin, CJ and Baxter. So sure....maybe they knew they were from other cities. But when that's normal, how many 12 year olds care? They are playing baseball with the same friends as always.
But yea, sucks for the Vegas kids
From the KC Star today;
CHICAGO
A Little League team that captured the attention of the nation and the hearts of its hometown was stripped of its national title Wednesday after an investigation revealed that team officials had falsified boundaries so they could add ineligible players to the roster.
Only last summer, the all-black Jackie Robinson West team was the toast of Chicago and was honored with trips to San Francisco and to the White House.
But the sport's governing body announced that team officials had engaged in a Little League version of political gerrymandering. Instead of politicians redrawing district maps to pick up votes, it was local league officials who changed the boundaries that determined where players must live. And after learning that their scheme had been exposed, they scrambled to persuade surrounding leagues to go along with what they had done.
"This is so heartbreaking," said Stephen D. Keener, president and CEO of Little League International. "It is a sad day for a bunch of kids who we have come to really like ... who did nothing wrong." But "we cannot tolerate the actions of some of the adults involved here."
The organization suspended the manager, Darold Butler, and suspended the team from Little League tournament play until the local league's president and treasurer have been replaced. A district official who is believed to have helped change the boundaries was also removed.
"I'm super proud of the boys and what they did," Butler told the Chicago Sun-Times. "They always will be champions in my eyes, and they'll always be champions in a lot of people's eyes. They did it on the field in between the lines, and I'm the proudest coach in the world to be a part of a group of 13 boys like that."
All of the team's victories were thrown out, meaning that the wins will be awarded to other teams. Mountain Ridge Little League, the team from Las Vegas that lost to Jackie Robinson West in the national championship game, will be awarded the title.
Parents were angered by the news, saying their children were being unfairly punished.
"The boys had no inside dealings ... about any borders, and I as a mother had no idea there were any (questions about) boundaries," said Venisa Green, who was driving her son, Brandon, to school Wednesday when they were "blindsided" by the news as it came over the radio.
"We weren't involved in anything that could have caused us to be stripped of our championship," said Brandon, appearing at a news conference with his mother.
Venisa Green said the move was especially disheartening because the team was part of efforts to keep children safe and prepare them for college in a community better known for gangs and drugs than any kind of achievement.
"What would you have us do, Little League, for them to be killed on the streets of Chicago?" she asked.
She wondered if the fact that the players were black had any role in the ruling, something that the Rev. Jesse Jackson and others questioned as well.
"Is this about boundaries or race?" Jackson asked.
Jackson did not discuss whether he blamed any league officials for what had happened, but in Washington, White House spokesman Josh Earnest suggested that it was the adults who let down the boys.
"The fact is, you know, some dirty dealing by some adults doesn't take anything away from the accomplishments of those young men," he said.
The Chicago Cubs said they would not ask that donations it made to the Little League team be returned.
"We can only imagine this was an extremely difficult and heart-wrenching day for these talented young athletes, but we hope they will continue to play this wonderful game of baseball for years to come. The game is counting on it," spokesman Julian Green said in a statement.
It was a stunning end to a story that began last summer as the team marched through the Little League tournament. Their odyssey ended with a loss to South Korea in the world championship game in South Williamsport, Pennsylvania.
For days, Chicago was enthralled by the story, in large part because the team was from the city's South Side, an area that has a reputation in much of the country for being synonymous with crime and gun violence. They were part of one of the most heartwarming World Series in Little League history, with the country rooting for Jackie Robinson West and a team from Philadelphia that had Mo'ne Davis, a star pitcher who was the first girl to appear in the series for a U.S. team since 2004.
When the Chicago team returned home, the boys were treated as conquering heroes. Thousands of people lined city streets to catch a glimpse of them as they were paraded by bus from their home field to a downtown park. The team was treated to a trip to a major league World Series game in San Francisco and then a visit with President Barack Obama and first lady Michelle Obama at the White House.
Behind the scenes, Keener said, the investigation was creating a different story after a coach from a nearby suburb alleged that Jackie Robinson West had violated rules by poaching top suburban players.
The investigation, which was first reported by DNAinfo.com, appeared to end in December when the national organization said it had uncovered no violations. Officials said they would reopen the inquiry if new information surfaced. About that time, the organization learned of questions about boundary maps involving multiple leagues. The investigation resumed.
In an interview, Keener said Jackie Robinson West officials expanded the boundaries of their league at the expense of three neighboring leagues, so that the boundaries included the homes of several players on the team who would not otherwise have been eligible.
The investigation found that at least one district official who had helped redraw the map went to the other teams to ask that they go along with what the team had done, Keener said.
"They (said) 'We know we took your territory. We shouldn't have done it, but will you give it to us' to essentially legitimize it," Keener said.
The other leagues refused, he said.
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/news/government-politics/article9726365.html#storylink=cpy
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CHICAGO
A Little League team that captured the attention of the nation and the hearts of its hometown was stripped of its national title Wednesday after an investigation revealed that team officials had falsified boundaries so they could add ineligible players to the roster.
Only last summer, the all-black Jackie Robinson West team was the toast of Chicago and was honored with trips to San Francisco and to the White House.
But the sport's governing body announced that team officials had engaged in a Little League version of political gerrymandering. Instead of politicians redrawing district maps to pick up votes, it was local league officials who changed the boundaries that determined where players must live. And after learning that their scheme had been exposed, they scrambled to persuade surrounding leagues to go along with what they had done.
"This is so heartbreaking," said Stephen D. Keener, president and CEO of Little League International. "It is a sad day for a bunch of kids who we have come to really like ... who did nothing wrong." But "we cannot tolerate the actions of some of the adults involved here."
The organization suspended the manager, Darold Butler, and suspended the team from Little League tournament play until the local league's president and treasurer have been replaced. A district official who is believed to have helped change the boundaries was also removed.
"I'm super proud of the boys and what they did," Butler told the Chicago Sun-Times. "They always will be champions in my eyes, and they'll always be champions in a lot of people's eyes. They did it on the field in between the lines, and I'm the proudest coach in the world to be a part of a group of 13 boys like that."
All of the team's victories were thrown out, meaning that the wins will be awarded to other teams. Mountain Ridge Little League, the team from Las Vegas that lost to Jackie Robinson West in the national championship game, will be awarded the title.
Parents were angered by the news, saying their children were being unfairly punished.
"The boys had no inside dealings ... about any borders, and I as a mother had no idea there were any (questions about) boundaries," said Venisa Green, who was driving her son, Brandon, to school Wednesday when they were "blindsided" by the news as it came over the radio.
"We weren't involved in anything that could have caused us to be stripped of our championship," said Brandon, appearing at a news conference with his mother.
Venisa Green said the move was especially disheartening because the team was part of efforts to keep children safe and prepare them for college in a community better known for gangs and drugs than any kind of achievement.
"What would you have us do, Little League, for them to be killed on the streets of Chicago?" she asked.
She wondered if the fact that the players were black had any role in the ruling, something that the Rev. Jesse Jackson and others questioned as well.
"Is this about boundaries or race?" Jackson asked.
Jackson did not discuss whether he blamed any league officials for what had happened, but in Washington, White House spokesman Josh Earnest suggested that it was the adults who let down the boys.
"The fact is, you know, some dirty dealing by some adults doesn't take anything away from the accomplishments of those young men," he said.
The Chicago Cubs said they would not ask that donations it made to the Little League team be returned.
"We can only imagine this was an extremely difficult and heart-wrenching day for these talented young athletes, but we hope they will continue to play this wonderful game of baseball for years to come. The game is counting on it," spokesman Julian Green said in a statement.
It was a stunning end to a story that began last summer as the team marched through the Little League tournament. Their odyssey ended with a loss to South Korea in the world championship game in South Williamsport, Pennsylvania.
For days, Chicago was enthralled by the story, in large part because the team was from the city's South Side, an area that has a reputation in much of the country for being synonymous with crime and gun violence. They were part of one of the most heartwarming World Series in Little League history, with the country rooting for Jackie Robinson West and a team from Philadelphia that had Mo'ne Davis, a star pitcher who was the first girl to appear in the series for a U.S. team since 2004.
When the Chicago team returned home, the boys were treated as conquering heroes. Thousands of people lined city streets to catch a glimpse of them as they were paraded by bus from their home field to a downtown park. The team was treated to a trip to a major league World Series game in San Francisco and then a visit with President Barack Obama and first lady Michelle Obama at the White House.
Behind the scenes, Keener said, the investigation was creating a different story after a coach from a nearby suburb alleged that Jackie Robinson West had violated rules by poaching top suburban players.
The investigation, which was first reported by DNAinfo.com, appeared to end in December when the national organization said it had uncovered no violations. Officials said they would reopen the inquiry if new information surfaced. About that time, the organization learned of questions about boundary maps involving multiple leagues. The investigation resumed.
In an interview, Keener said Jackie Robinson West officials expanded the boundaries of their league at the expense of three neighboring leagues, so that the boundaries included the homes of several players on the team who would not otherwise have been eligible.
The investigation found that at least one district official who had helped redraw the map went to the other teams to ask that they go along with what the team had done, Keener said.
"They (said) 'We know we took your territory. We shouldn't have done it, but will you give it to us' to essentially legitimize it," Keener said.
The other leagues refused, he said.
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/news/government-politics/article9726365.html#storylink=cpy
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Some webbies gotta pat themselves on the back for things that happened back when Friends was still on the air.
Sportsmanship, parents/coaches showing kids the right thing to do, league officials bending the rules, cheating, and any other topic that we have all discussed at some point on this football board.
As compared to your posts the last two months, i'm a unicorn crapping skittles and farting rays of sunshine.Originally posted by Drop.Tine:
Personal attacks.
I suppose you could have posted on the LL baseball board, once it is set up. Then in about 7 months someone would read and comment on it.
Gotta love how the other boards on here get almost no attention. How is the posting in the jungle? I wouldn't know since its a members only kind of place...
I said almost no attention lol. I would say though that the majority of the other boards don't get much attention.
