Lindenwood (St. Charles)
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You mean Law Enforcement? I heard sirens outside my house a while ago not sure if it was kids being pursued or not, not sure if they were from MO or Illinois. I've got a scanner let me check into it a little more.
In the past L'wood has been in on kids from Pattonville, in addition to other StL area schools. Not sure who they are looking at for 2016 and beyond.
Tough league. Lindenwood found out that recruiting regulations are much different in the NCAA, compared to the NAIA.
What happened? Did they break some recruiting violations?
No, and I didn't intend to imply that. As you know, Lindenwood used to be in the HAAC. Having recruited at that level and in that conference the requirements for prospects to be admitted to NCAA affiliated school are much tighter guidelines than in the NAIA. Schools like Lindenwood and Sioux Falls SD, could recruit elite athlete's based on two of three requirements, 1. Graduated in the top half of their class 2. 2.0 GPA, 3. Min. 16 on the ACT. No clearing house. Scholarships are based exclusively on a need basis and there are no limits to how many football players you can recruit. In fact, it's not uncommon for the Missouri Valleys of the world to recruit 200 freshman, in hopes that the schools will at the very least collect at least one semester of federal funding checks.
School's like Lindenwood with money and outstanding facilities had a distinct advantage over less endowed schools like Baker, Missouri Valley, Culver, Mid-AM Avila, Benedictine, Graceland, Evangel and old Billy.
Now Linenwood is on a level playing field, though they are huge by any standards of enrollment.
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coachperk. Very informative post. Good information to help fill my knowledge gap, or should I say canyon.
Often times, because of the guidelines I have described, there are some NAIA schools that can sign up great football players that meet two of the three standards.
When I recruited football players at Missouri Valley, packages were set up on athletes based on what the "bring"value was to the institution. The lower the income reported in FASA records, the higher the bring. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out, there's pressure on recruiters to sign up as many recruits as possible purely driven by on what the school can collect from the federal government.
When I recruited football players at Missouri Valley, packages were set up on athletes based on what the "bring"value was to the institution. The lower the income reported in FASA records, the higher the bring. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out, there's pressure on recruiters to sign up as many recruits as possible purely driven by on what the school can collect from the federal government.
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A prospect at the NAIA level, with a low financial need, pays to play NAIA football. If the financial need is high, the government money is not mailed to the athlete and then paid to the school for tuition, it's collected directly by the financial services. This is not uncommon at any school. Work study is also a way schools off set costs, some institutions don't directly pay out a check to a student. Essentially, a school can pull a tuition figure out of thin air and call it a scholarship.
Whether a institution delivers the product they claim, is up to the athlete to decide. Questions on how they handle the cash flow need to be asked. How many freshman are recruited? Am I really a value for my playing and academic qualities or am I a "bring"?
Whether a institution delivers the product they claim, is up to the athlete to decide. Questions on how they handle the cash flow need to be asked. How many freshman are recruited? Am I really a value for my playing and academic qualities or am I a "bring"?
Quite sad how much money drives things in this world. What you are describing sounds more like a business than a school! You gotta know, that out the 200 freshman recruited, maybe half of them are equipped to finish college. With standards as low as that, the others will most likely drop out, transfer, etc and it wont matter at that point because the school got their money. Its awful, to lure kids to college under the façade of a college education, continue their playing career, etc when most aren't capable of finishing! All just to make a buck off some poor kids head.
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Academically speaking, I have a friend that told me this story. He took a class at a local college. The professor was adjunct and he used the same text book used in the same classes in his career at Harvard. Needless to say, the school wasn't an IVY League school. What makes IVY League, IVY, is the student sitting around you. Lol
Kinda like how the plant Ivy grows around things!
The extra $200,000 you pay a year to attend the IVY League school!
Actually, if your kid can get into an Ivy/Stanford, and you don't make a ton of money, it's probably cheaper to go there than Mizzou. If your family income as determined by Stanford is $60K or less, you will go for free (including room and board). At about 100K you will only pay room and board of around 15K. The estimated cost to attend Mizzou (before financial aid) is 25.5K. No loans at Stanford, it's all scholarship.
For most families, an Ivy/Stanford is cheaper than a state school. The hardest part is just getting accepted.
For most families, an Ivy/Stanford is cheaper than a state school. The hardest part is just getting accepted.
Coach Stugart up at Sioux Falls has done as good a job as any with their school's transition from NAIA to NCAA. They are back in the NCAA playoffs 4 or 5 years later. Jewell hasn't fared well at all...no surprise.
When Lindenwood was in the HAAC, I was amazed when they lost a game. So much speed. They were on a different level with play makers.
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