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You're right. She's trying her best.Originally posted by Scout 4u:
B&G,
It's not fair debating libs like runny....lol
Be nice to her, she doing the best she can...(smile)
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I never said that oil wasn't getting to market. The pipeline is far more efficient though. Efficiency lowers cost. When talking of the spill potential, the pipeline is much safer than trains too. Trains are going the way of the horse and buggy.Originally posted by 3Rfan:
Miller the nasty tar sands oil from Canada IS getting to market, it's going by rail. I kinda like it that way.That and the oil from SD is good for RR business, taking up any slack in the coal hauling business, if there is any. Coal is still being exported so I assume the RR's are still hauling it to the ports to be shipped over seas.
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Pipeline risk of a spill is lower but the severity of a spill can be much higher. It's safer overall but you have to watch the worst case.
Your train comment couldn't be further from the truth in our globalized world
Pipeline risk of a spill is lower but the severity of a spill can be much higher. It's safer overall but you have to watch the worst case.
Your train comment couldn't be further from the truth in our globalized world
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Miller I was going to ask Run if he thought the balance of power between Dmitry Medvedev and Vladimir Putin would change the future of Russian relations throughout the Baltic States if another Ukraine incident would occur in 2015....
then I remembered who I was talking to...lol
Miller I was going to ask Run if he thought the balance of power between Dmitry Medvedev and Vladimir Putin would change the future of Russian relations throughout the Baltic States if another Ukraine incident would occur in 2015....
then I remembered who I was talking to...lol
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Miller if you think trains are going away you're more delusional than I thought.
Wasn't it some of that fine tar sands oil that destroyed a town in Arkansas in the last couple of years? It was already running through somebody's pipeline when that happened. That nasty stuff was crawling down the streets of that town and they could even clean it up enough to reclaim the place, they just closed it up and moved out. I'll bet that was real efficient for that company's bottom line.
Miller if you think trains are going away you're more delusional than I thought.
Wasn't it some of that fine tar sands oil that destroyed a town in Arkansas in the last couple of years? It was already running through somebody's pipeline when that happened. That nasty stuff was crawling down the streets of that town and they could even clean it up enough to reclaim the place, they just closed it up and moved out. I'll bet that was real efficient for that company's bottom line.
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If you are talking globally, the horse and buggy are still relevant. Doesn't mean much here though.
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I'm talking about the us. You really are clueless if you think trains are irrelevant. How do you think all those Chinese produced manufacturing goods get to Walmart? How do cars get from Japan to the east coast? They put a ton of that stuff on trains on the west coast.
The train is dead as a major means of passenger transport outside of the northeast but it's still the most cost effective method of land transport for goods. If anything it gets more cost effective in a world of higher oil prices relative to trucks.
I'm talking about the us. You really are clueless if you think trains are irrelevant. How do you think all those Chinese produced manufacturing goods get to Walmart? How do cars get from Japan to the east coast? They put a ton of that stuff on trains on the west coast.
The train is dead as a major means of passenger transport outside of the northeast but it's still the most cost effective method of land transport for goods. If anything it gets more cost effective in a world of higher oil prices relative to trucks.
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NM these are the same guys who claim the economy is in the tank, wall street is artificially built up, unemployment numbers are a lie, ACA is going to bankrupt the nation and anything else that might be going well is just a democratic lie.
NM these are the same guys who claim the economy is in the tank, wall street is artificially built up, unemployment numbers are a lie, ACA is going to bankrupt the nation and anything else that might be going well is just a democratic lie.
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I've not said that trains aren't still being used. There is less coal, oil, cattle, etc hauled now. The trend is not good especially with lower oil prices. I don't see as many cars on trains as trucks. There are still a lot of trains but the trend is not good for trains.
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The economy is not roaring, the stock market is at bought prices rather than earned prices, the labor participation rate says there are more unemployed not less, and the ACA isn't even half implemented.
Swapping prisoners for traitors, giving in to Cuba, spying on everything that moves, the IRS scandal, and the VA scandal are just a few examples of problems associated with this administrations policies.
That you love all this I can't help.
Democrats don't lie about EVERYTHING, just many things. If you like your Dr you can keep him, if you like your insurance you can keep it, obamacare will save you $2500, Bengazzi was caused by a video, shovel ready jobs, and so on.
The economy is not roaring, the stock market is at bought prices rather than earned prices, the labor participation rate says there are more unemployed not less, and the ACA isn't even half implemented.
Swapping prisoners for traitors, giving in to Cuba, spying on everything that moves, the IRS scandal, and the VA scandal are just a few examples of problems associated with this administrations policies.
That you love all this I can't help.
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I don't know when the last time cattle was hauled by rail, I never saw it happen around here in y 32 years on the track. Coal is still being moved by rail to get it to ports and oil just started being hauled by rail in much volume a few years ago. When I was still working crude oil was rarely shipped by rail but now it's big business for RR's. If you think "the trend is not good" for RR's you have NO clue what you're talking about. UP records huge profits nearly every quarter and other class 1 RR's do too. UP stock went to $200 a share this year then split and it's well over $100 now. They carry more cars on one RR car than 2 trucks can carry and they can pull a LOT of car loads at a time so that's not even up for debate.
I don't know when the last time cattle was hauled by rail, I never saw it happen around here in y 32 years on the track. Coal is still being moved by rail to get it to ports and oil just started being hauled by rail in much volume a few years ago. When I was still working crude oil was rarely shipped by rail but now it's big business for RR's. If you think "the trend is not good" for RR's you have NO clue what you're talking about. UP records huge profits nearly every quarter and other class 1 RR's do too. UP stock went to $200 a share this year then split and it's well over $100 now. They carry more cars on one RR car than 2 trucks can carry and they can pull a LOT of car loads at a time so that's not even up for debate.
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Miller's huge scandals/issues.
If you like your Ins. you can keep it--true for 98% of all previously insured Americans. Not a huge issue.
Benghazzi---repubs cleared the admin. of any wrong doing. If this upsets you, don't vote for repubs. Not a huge issue.
The economy is not roaring--we don't need roaring. Steady, moderate growth is more healthy.
the stock market is at bought prices--what exactly does that mean? Prices depend on supply and demand and always have.
Giving in to Cuba?? You mean opening a new market for our goods and changing an outdated policy that didn't work?
The huge IRS scandal was in one office in Ohio. Not a huge issue.
The VA scandal has been going on for decades.
Miller's huge scandals/issues.
If you like your Ins. you can keep it--true for 98% of all previously insured Americans. Not a huge issue.
Benghazzi---repubs cleared the admin. of any wrong doing. If this upsets you, don't vote for repubs. Not a huge issue.
The economy is not roaring--we don't need roaring. Steady, moderate growth is more healthy.
the stock market is at bought prices--what exactly does that mean? Prices depend on supply and demand and always have.
Giving in to Cuba?? You mean opening a new market for our goods and changing an outdated policy that didn't work?
The huge IRS scandal was in one office in Ohio. Not a huge issue.
The VA scandal has been going on for decades.
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Stupid things are stupid things wheter done by libs or pubs.
Show me or shut up where i've said anything supporting repubs! You just shout things you can't substantiate.
Stupid things are stupid things wheter done by libs or pubs.
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Cleared...wrong. They are not through but decided to not persue anything at that point.
VB was toubting the great economy. I was simply saying it wasn't.
Demand is high for stocks because of low interest rates bought by the fed. No one else is buying US debt at those rates.
We could have got many concessions from Cuba for more normalized relations but got ZERO.
Only in Ohio....wrong.
Scandal for decades....wrong. There have been occurances for decades but noting like this.
98%...wrong. it isn't fully implemented.
Cleared...wrong. They are not through but decided to not persue anything at that point.
VB was toubting the great economy. I was simply saying it wasn't.
Demand is high for stocks because of low interest rates bought by the fed. No one else is buying US debt at those rates.
We could have got many concessions from Cuba for more normalized relations but got ZERO.
Only in Ohio....wrong.
Scandal for decades....wrong. There have been occurances for decades but noting like this.
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Increased automation and technology is largely responsible for the increased productivity. Neither would imply an earned wage increase. If there were not an illegal workforce, there would be much greater demand for workers and thus increased wages.
That chart shows increased productivity not demand for workers! So how does it show i'm wrong?Originally posted by wcowherd:
So, yeah, you're wrong.
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Increased automation and technology is largely responsible for the increased productivity. Neither would imply an earned wage increase. If there were not an illegal workforce, there would be much greater demand for workers and thus increased wages.
You're saying there hasn't been a strong demand for jobs at any point in the last 55 year? Stagnant wages of not about jobs, which is what you said.
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I don't drive by the cheap gas station to pay more than I have to. It is foolish to do so and that is what employers would be doing if they paid more than the market demanded.
Find a chart that includes benefits and you won't see near the disparity. In the last 55 years the cost of benefits has grown substantially as has the number and quality of benefits given.
You just disproved your own point. You just said that employers are not increasing real wages because they dont have to, which is in direct contradiction of your original argument that job demand drives wage growth.
Your point about increased benefits is also completely wrong. With increased benefits, you should see an increase in real wages because your money has more purchasing power because you have more income to spend on things that were originally devoted to the benefits you now receive. Instead you see a flat line, which suggests that if you assume increased benefits, then then there must be a generally stagnant real income growth over the same period of time. And sure enough, except for the top 25% or so, incomes have have remained generally stagnant over time.
This is is of course ignoring that you're trying to shift your argument away from your point about job demand driving wage growth, which has been shown to be completely and utterly false.
This exists and it still shows you're 100% wrong. The share of the economy being paid as wages or benefits has steadily declined for the last 30-35 years. It's being captured as corporate profits.
It's generally accepted by economists that the US was at full employment for most of the pre-recession 2000s yet wages stagnated during that time.
You can explain the most common sense concept
imaginable and Miller will tell you how wrong you are.
Remember Cousin Eddie from Christmas vacation?
His last name had to be Miller.
imaginable and Miller will tell you how wrong you are.
Remember Cousin Eddie from Christmas vacation?
His last name had to be Miller.
You can't be that stupid....quit playing dumb!
I said lack of demand kept wages low. I said technology (increased productivity) has helped keep demand low. No one is going to pay high wages if they don't have to. Only those who are excellent at what they do (far superior to others) can DEMAND higher wages when demand is low. I also said your chart didn't tell the whole story since benefits have increased over THAT period.
Where is the contradiction???????
Wages and purchacing power are different things!
When a person doesn't have to buy health insurance because his employer is paying for it his purchacing power increased but his wages are still the same unless he gets a raise. THAT was my point not yours!
Profitability has increased ofer the years because of increased productivity. Wages have not because increased productivity reduces the need for workers....less demand.
YOU are the one changing subjects.
Your chart shows that wages haven't kept pace with productivity. That is proof of my point not evidence to the contrary.
Full employment meaning everyone who really wants a job has one or is only without one for a short time? That does not equal a shortage of workers which would drive wages higher. With Millions of illegals soaking up any jobs that need filled ther is no need to raise wages. You still haven't given any reason for wages to be higher other than profits being higher. My farm profits were much higher the last couple years but I haven't seen the need to disperse them to the community. Demand for workers drives wages not corporate profitability.
You realize you said he's wrong and then said the exact same thing he said???
Profitability has increased for more than just "productivity." Workers used to reap the gains of productivity - that's how their real wages increased. Logically, how else do their wages increase (after adjusting for inflation) if the workers didn't become more productive? You can't pay people more and more for doing the same work in the long run (on an inflation adjusted basis); you'll be bankrupt.
What has happened is a shift in the economy where the value of increased productivity is being taken as profits instead of as increased wages. That's not caused by workers being more productive. Productivity has been steadily increasing for two centuries now. Workers took those gains for the first 170 years or so. It's a recent trend that wages have not kept up with productivity due to capture as corporate profits.
