LeBron never plays college....

[hangmanbobbyjaggers]

basketball, but yet wants to support college kids getting endorsement deals in college in California. I say again, kids get paid to go to college in full rides. Lets Look at this:
USC: $56,225 Tuition and fees per year
UCLA: $13,226 (In State Tuition)
$42,218 (Out of State Tuition)
Starting Teacher Salary in California: $41,259

 

[mowesten]

Whatever happened to letting the market decide? It seems we’re good with letting the market decide what coaches at those universities can make — mostly on the taxpayer dime.

What kind of economic system would seek to prevent the market deciding what an athlete can make off campus?

 

[mowesten]

By the way, if the only people who get to talk about what should happen in college athletics are people who attended college, we would have a lot of posters here banned from discussing the subject.

And if we’re going to limit the discussion to just posters who attended a university whose academia is on par with USC or UCLA, we’ll likely have to shut down the board completely.

 

[Neutron Monster]

basketball, but yet wants to support college kids getting endorsement deals in college in California. I say again, kids get paid to go to college in full rides. Lets Look at this:
USC: $56,225 Tuition and fees per year
UCLA: $13,226 (In State Tuition)
$42,218 (Out of State Tuition)
Starting Teacher Salary in California: $41,259

What did USC and UCLA pay their head coach last year?

What does the average kid at USC actually pay? It's not 50k a year. Sticker prices at private schools are nearly meaningless, a la sticker prices at a hospital.

What does the salary for a starting teacher in California have to do with compensation in a 100% unrelated field? Why not post what Bill Gates made last year or what someone who pushes carts at Wynn Dixie makes? It's just as irrelevant.

It's pretty easy to have a "market price" for endorsements. Would college basketball really be worse off if Adidas had to give a cut of their funding of UCLA directly to the players of their choices?

 

[hangmanbobbyjaggers]

What did USC and UCLA pay their head coach last year?

What does the average kid at USC actually pay? It's not 50k a year. Sticker prices at private schools are nearly meaningless, a la sticker prices at a hospital.

What does the salary for a starting teacher in California have to do with compensation in a 100% unrelated field? Why not post what Bill Gates made last year or what someone who pushes carts at Wynn Dixie makes? It's just as irrelevant.

It's pretty easy to have a "market price" for endorsements. Would college basketball really be worse off if Adidas had to give a cut of their funding of UCLA directly to the players of their choices?

$100,000, AKA the aau circuit scandal was the going rate. When it is legalized then athletes will be paid much more to attend a certain university. Money does not belong in the college system. Just ask the professional Actors and actresses involved in the scandal as well. That being said, an athlete feels he/she is ready for a pro career, by all means should be able to go pro in all sports out of high school. Then they can make all the money they want!
As for the have to do with the teacher salary, figure it out! If you can not, an out of state student on scholarship makes more than a starting teacher, per year.

 

[Neutron Monster]

Money has been and will always be in the college system. I prefer not to live in fantasy land.

 

[mowesten]

$100,000, AKA the aau circuit scandal was the going rate. When it is legalized then athletes will be paid much more to attend a certain university. Money does not belong in the college system. Just ask the professional Actors and actresses involved in the scandal as well. That being said, an athlete feels he/she is ready for a pro career, by all means should be able to go pro in all sports out of high school. Then they can make all the money they want!
As for the have to do with the teacher salary, figure it out! If you can not, an out of state student on scholarship makes more than a starting teacher, per year.

I’m not sure where you are getting your information, but UCLA is part of the nine school University of California system and all its finances, including pay structure and salaries are public record ...

Professor salaries at UCLA depend on department, but they average $150-350k ... assistant professor salaries average $100-150k but that doesn’t include bonuses and other pay, which can top $30-50k per year.

Not to mention, nearly all professors, even the assistants, at a school with a reputation like UCLAs earn significant income off campus in a variety of ways, including giving speaches, advising non profits or other entities, writing, editing, research, etc, etc

You can see it all for yourself:

https://www.ucop.edu/academic-personnel-programs/compensation/2019-20-academic-salary-scales.html

 

[hangmanbobbyjaggers]

I’m not sure where you are getting your information, but UCLA is part of the nine school University of California system and all its finances, including pay structure and salaries are public record ...

Professor salaries at UCLA depend on department, but they average $150-350k ... assistant professor salaries average $100-150k but that doesn’t include bonuses and other pay, which can top $30-50k per year.

Not to mention, nearly all professors, even the assistants, at a school with a reputation like UCLAs earn significant income off campus in a variety of ways, including giving speaches, advising non profits or other entities, writing, editing, research, etc, etc

You can see it all for yourself:

https://www.ucop.edu/academic-personnel-programs/compensation/2019-20-academic-salary-scales.html

I am talking about public school teachers! College athletes on scholarship make more than they do per year!

 

[mowesten]

I am talking about public school teachers! College athletes on scholarship make more than they do per year!

It sounds to me like you’re trying to make an inane point by comparing two things that have little to do with each other.

Whether or not a college athlete gets paid off campus has nothing to do with what other public employees make off a college campus, including, high school teachers or any other public school employees.

You could compare the tuition and the ways in which college athletes are benefitting with what others in the exact same arena on the exact same campus, are receiving. But that wouldn’t fit with your narrative since the college coaches are making millions in taxpayer money — not to mention that contractors, architects and all the other people who raking in money thanks to all the money that is being funneled into building athletic shrines — things that don’t directly advance the academic mission of a university.

 

[hangmanbobbyjaggers]

It sounds to me like you’re trying to make an inane point by comparing two things that have little to do with each other.

Whether or not a college athlete gets paid off campus has nothing to do with what other public employees make off a college campus, including, high school teachers or any other public school employees.

You could compare the tuition and the ways in which college athletes are benefitting with what others in the exact same arena on the exact same campus, are receiving. But that wouldn’t fit with your narrative since the college coaches are making millions in taxpayer money — not to mention that contractors, architects and all the other people who raking in money thanks to all the money that is being funneled into building athletic shrines — things that don’t directly advance the academic mission of a university.

Correct, but those coaches get paid to win. My point is that college scholarship kids are being paid! The college system tried the work study payment system and that was taken advantage of. IF COLLEGE KIDS WANT TO MAKE MONEY, GO PRO! They should have that right in all sports out of high school. Leave getting paid extra in college out of college athletics or just go to college and make money as they want and not play college sports! Pretty simple.

 

[mowesten]

Correct, but those coaches get paid to win. My point is that college scholarship kids are being paid! The college system tried the work study payment system and that was taken advantage of. IF COLLEGE KIDS WANT TO MAKE MONEY, GO PRO! They should have that right in all sports out of high school. Leave getting paid extra in college out of college athletics or just go to college and make money as they want and not play college sports! Pretty simple.

I can’t discuss secondary education with someone who resorts to using all capitals to express themselves.

Words that are worth writing and worth reading have the ability to stand on their own two feet.

All the best.

 

[Orange Julius]

If I am not mistaken most college coaches get a huge portion of their salaries from something similar to a booster club (but more complicated than that) and I know we don't want athletes getting paid by them.
Also the bill is so that athletes can make money off of their likeness. For most college athletes their value is highest while they are in college. Also athletes have a a lot of expenses associated with going to school that are not covered by scholarships (i.e. clothes, shoes, fees and various materials). The market will dictate what an athlete makes. Sure UNC players have the potential to make more than a Mizzou player but life isn't fair...lol

If it passes they have three years to figure out the minutia and then we can see what they finally agree with.

 

[Neutron Monster]

If I am not mistaken most college coaches get a huge portion of their salaries from something similar to a booster club (but more complicated than that) and I know we don't want athletes getting paid by them.
Also the bill is so that athletes can make money off of their likeness. For most college athletes their value is highest while they are in college. Also athletes have a a lot of expenses associated with going to school that are not covered by scholarships (i.e. clothes, shoes, fees and various materials). The market will dictate what an athlete makes. Sure UNC players have the potential to make more than a Mizzou player but life isn't fair...lol

If it passes they have three years to figure out the minutia and then we can see what they finally agree with.

A large % of the average coach's pay also comes from the shoe companies.

 

[da bears 25]

You could let the players get paid and then make them pay taxes on all sources of income including scholarships. That's how the real world works. They may like the free school, free merchandise, free food, and stipend after that.

 

[Neutron Monster]

You could let the players get paid and then make them pay taxes on all sources of income including scholarships. That's how the real world works. They may like the free school, free merchandise, free food, and stipend after that.

In the "real world" education has lots of tax breaks. Smart kids who get a full ride don't pay taxes on that. College tuition, in particular, is not a fixed price good, and lots of these discussions about the value of an education make a silly assumption that the list tuition price is a reasonable proxy for the value being received by an athlete. If a college wants someone to go there for free, that's the market price. It's not a related party transaction or some tax gimmick; it's a decision by the business to offer an extremely low price for their product. They can set conditions on that offer.

Additionally, actual cash pay would be taxable, as it should be.