Which of the previous 7 (heck, I'll throw in this year's squad) is THE BEST Lamar team of the run? I'll allow up to 3 votes per poster, so you can vote a top 3 if you feel so inclined. Would love to hear some banter on close comparisons.
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I remember watching the 2016 team. It’s a really remarkable team. I don’t think many class in 1-3 maybe 4 could have beaten them that year. It was the best year imo. I also really enjoyed the 2012 season. Wish Cassville could have the success the tigers have on a constant basis.
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Although the 2013 did not go undefeated (CJ hitch and pitch), they were the most talented team. Currently have four Division I players finishing out their career.
Peter Quill
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I don’t have a clue but I know the funnest football game I ever watched was the state championship against Blair Oaks.
That 2012 state title game between Blair oaks and Lamar was a lot of fun for a while. The final score didn’t do it justice. It was back and fourth for 3 quarters
2013 had the best offense. 16 best defense. 14 most underrated
Peter Quill
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Wasn’t there 6 or 7 records set at that game?
The B.O. game was crazy good. I remember watching on my laptop thinking I'd listen while I did some other things! No 'other things' got done.
Trinity game at MOState was guts and grit.
Drama level 4,237.
I also included the 2013 class.
That was the year everyone cried about the Brotherhood 'running up scores'.
They were just so strong.
Trinity game at MOState was guts and grit.
Drama level 4,237.
I also included the 2013 class.
That was the year everyone cried about the Brotherhood 'running up scores'.
They were just so strong.
Is funnest a word Peter???
I believe the 2013 team was the best Class 2 team in Missouri of all time. They had two players rush for 2500 yards. As a team, they set several state records for rushing in a season. The team set the Missouri record for points in a season with the starters averaging about two quarters. They turboed every team except Carl Junction. 2016 was the second best Lamar team. The current team is still to be determined. They do not have the standout star players those other teams had but, because of that, opponents can't key on any one player.
There’s some definite speed missing right now on Lamar. But once they are healthy I can see that being what sparks the offense.
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You could argue all day between the 2013 and 2016 teams. I believe the 2013 team had better top end talent but, I think the 2013 team was much deeper. The 2013 team may have been the most complete small school team in Mo history. You could argue they had above average or better players at every position with a few quality starters standing on the side lines. However the best player on the 2016 team may not have been one of the top 5 players on the 2013 team. 2012 and 2017 is kind of a toss up for the next tier. I gave the edge to 2017 because had they been healthy I think they could have been honorable mention in the top tier. Flip a coin for 2011 2014 and 2015, all were good teams. These teams were classic work hard and play together teams. I am not sure what it is but there is something missing from the 2018 team. I have been trying to figure it out sense week one but just can't put my finger on it. They have had games where it seems to come together but the next week they just seem off again. Hopefully it comes together and stays over the next couple of weeks.
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These teams were classic work hard and play together teams. I am not sure what it is but there is something missing from the 2018 team. I have been trying to figure it out sense week one but just can't put my finger on it. They have had games where it seems to come together but the next week they just seem off again. Hopefully it comes together and stays over the next couple of weeks.
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That's good analysis from someone who knows.
From afar it's hard to tell who the athletes are that are leading the team. I know a huge part of past success has been spreading the success around and having several kids share the stats. But, you still saw clear leadership from a handful of those older kids.
That ability to lead and 'lift one another up' (the Brotherhood thing) may not be as much in the skill set of this group.
I've heard them talk about the players themselves taking an active part in letting coaching know what is working, what isn't working, what they might need to do differently ... during a game. The vision for that might be lacking a little in this group? Just guesses.
And that last one was just based on so few changes being made during the second half in the loss to Cassville. Not taking anything away from Cassville.
The athletic ability isn't a question. And, it sounds like they are banged up a bit. I hope they find their way too.
These teams were classic work hard and play together teams. I am not sure what it is but there is something missing from the 2018 team. I have been trying to figure it out sense week one but just can't put my finger on it. They have had games where it seems to come together but the next week they just seem off again. Hopefully it comes together and stays over the next couple of weeks.
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That's good analysis from someone who knows.
From afar it's hard to tell who the athletes are that are leading the team. I know a huge part of past success has been spreading the success around and having several kids share the stats. But, you still saw clear leadership from a handful of those older kids.
That ability to lead and 'lift one another up' (the Brotherhood thing) may not be as much in the skill set of this group.
I've heard them talk about the players themselves taking an active part in letting coaching know what is working, what isn't working, what they might need to do differently ... during a game. The vision for that might be lacking a little in this group? Just guesses.
And that last one was just based on so few changes being made during the second half in the loss to Cassville. Not taking anything away from Cassville.
The athletic ability isn't a question. And, it sounds like they are banged up a bit. I hope they find their way too.
2013 was my favorite team, with 2016 a close second. I disagree with the post that the top player from 2016 wouldn't be in the top 5 in 2013. 2013 broke all the records, had tremendous stats, but that was also a turning point in the program IMO. It was then that we stopped beating teams by 70+ points. You can compare scores since then, and there haven't been the high score blowouts. 50-7 is a very typical win. (and sometimes less). People outside the program seem to think that these more recent teams aren't as strong, or that there are more question marks. I think that is just the way coach wants it. Fact is almost all of those victories could have been so so much worse.
With the exception of a couple busted coverage surprises, and of course Cassville, the bulk of the points in 2018 have been scored against the Lamar JV squad during garbage time. Coaches put them in and want them to experience the adversity of playing against more mature and sometimes more talented personnel. Lots of times they hold, and sometimes they don't. There have been instance where the JV squads dominate as well. People talk about it all the time, but it is a true luxury to be able to do that with your young kids, and a great way to build your program.
With the exception of a couple busted coverage surprises, and of course Cassville, the bulk of the points in 2018 have been scored against the Lamar JV squad during garbage time. Coaches put them in and want them to experience the adversity of playing against more mature and sometimes more talented personnel. Lots of times they hold, and sometimes they don't. There have been instance where the JV squads dominate as well. People talk about it all the time, but it is a true luxury to be able to do that with your young kids, and a great way to build your program.
I can see it happening. It needs to be more coaching imo. They have speed from the 3 games I’ve seen personally. I think the only way Lamar can overcome this brutal stretch of games possible (Ava, Lathrop, Blair Oaks, LN) is to have more creative schemes, and to play smash mouth football and control the clock. I think Lamar can throw, and I know Bailey hates passing. But? Why not pass more as well. I just think 2018 Lamar hasn’t seen the peak performance yet. And it will be displayed shortly. I hope to see your tigers and my wildcats at state this year! Win or lose.
I have family in Lamar. And I think people are overreacting to this years team personally. Not completely. But they are dangerous. And can win state again. Depends on how the boys step up.
I don't doubt for a second that the lower final scores (overall) have been intentional!
Blair Oaks/LN/Lathrop/Ava is a tough road. Hopefully things can work out
Peter Quill
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Depends on if you consider my typing formal or informal!
2016 is a close second, but I think the 2013 team takes the edge, simply because of size and depth. Every game that year (aside from the CJ hitch and pitch loss) was won via turbo clock. Every. Single. Game.
Watching them turbo Mt View Liberty, aka "the greatest show on grass", at "The Nest", is probably my favorite game from the last 8 years.
Watching them turbo Mt View Liberty, aka "the greatest show on grass", at "The Nest", is probably my favorite game from the last 8 years.
That was a Liberty team that had an NFL level player on it as well, still wasn't much of a factor. I would probably go with 2013 for that reason.
Who was throwing to a D2 WR in Denton.. It was so much fun to watch. Couldn't throw the deep ball because of pressure, and couldn't throw short because you had a Bailey twin on each end with a 10' wingspan batting passes down.
Was that also the infamous pizza game, or was that a different trip to Liberty?
I feel the same way. Bailey has something up his sleeve.
....and also the 30 MPH winds
But yes that was the legendary pizza game, lest we never forget
I believe that you have your teams and years mixed up. The Strafford team of a couple years later was the so called "greatest show on grass." Their players came out on the field claiming as much. They had read too many clippings from the Springfield News and were just a bit cocky.
There are several in the discussion just since 2000. 2010 Penney was a monster. I'd put 2003 Centralia on top. 2005 Cameron also stacks up well.
The whole reason for the question was I'm tinkering with an idea to bracket Class 2 since 2003 Centralia. The 8 teams would be:
2003 Centralia
2004 Blair Oaks
2005 Cameron
2007 Lawson
2008 Clark County
2009 Maryville
2010 Penney
2013 Lamar
Got some work to do on a formula and weighting it. Calpreps, PF/PA, human poll on here, etc.
With 3% of the precincts reporting, I'm projecting the 2013 Lamar Tigers as the greatest Barton County football team of all time.
Would it be possible to put the same team, from 2013 and 2016 on your list. Because I believe that both of those teams are deserving of being considered. Either of those teams would destroy that 2009 Maryville team. After all, Lamar's 2009 team that went 1-6 in the Big 8 gave them all they wanted in the semifinals. Maryville picked up a supposed lateral pass and returned it for a TD to lead 14-7 until late in the 4th. Because of that play, Lamar was forced to go on a fourth down deep in their own territory late in the game. Maryville scored because of a short field to win 21-7. I think several of Lamar's 7 state championship teams could have beaten that Spoofhound team. I don't know much about any of those other teams.
Anything is possible. I first wanted to use Calpreps as part of the formula to come up with the champion, so that limited me to 2003 forward. Next, after looking at the list of champions, there just happened to be 8 different schools. My thought was one team per, so Blair Oaks and Lamar had to be paired down. Blair Oaks seemed fairly easy on which team should move through, but had no real idea on Lamar. Perhaps I'll look into a 16 team bracket and include a non-championship team so that all Lamar (and Blair Oaks) teams get a shot.
My vote would be 2005 Cameron. Newhart could not be stopped with his 5 wide offense. They set the MO record for fewest punts in a year i remember. It was like only 5 times all year with 1st team offense against a primarily Class 4 schedule.
