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JW3 leaving the Tigers?

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IMO, that was Norms's 2nd best team behind 1980-81 team;
Stipanovich, Sunvold, Frazier, McCrary, and Prince, with Jones, Cavender, and more off the bench. 27-4, #2 seed, lost in regional semis to Houston 79-78. Norm had his chances. Seemed to always have his team more amped for Big 8 tournament more than NCAAs.
 
Originally posted by 3Rfan:
What happened to kids that would go to a school to be THE guy to help get others like him and make it a winning team rather than go to a place that already has 6 or 8 others guys just like him? If a kid like Tatum would come then a couple would come too and they could be good immediately and get better the next year when even more guys like him came along.
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Ok, you're Jayson Tatum. Odds are, you play 1-2 years of college ball and then go pro. You could:

Go to Duke, UK, wherever and compete for a title.
Go to Mizzou and not play in the tourney under a coach who make get fired in a year.

The problem with the follow-on theory is that Tatum will be gone by the time anyone else shows up. He's going to be playing with the kids who are there now and the kids who enter with him.

If I were his dad, I'd tell him he'd be nuts to go to Mizzou. He should go somewhere where he gets better in practice everyday like Kentucky or Kansas, or go somewhere like Duke where he'll be on the road to having a great education if he decides hoops isn't for him. Or may go somewhere like Arizona where it doesn't snow.

It's not like his dad played for Mizzou, he doesn't have some family legacy to uphold. If anything, that's SLU, not Mizzou.
 
Re: If you guys don't care about what these kids do in school

I agree on Norm. He was a winner. History doesn't remember the Norms and the Keadys and the John Chaneys as much as they should.
 
Re: If you guys don't care about what these kids do in school

You can make a great case for that team, although I think as the NCAA tournament has evolved over the years, it has also become much tougher to win.

I agree he had the label of putting more emphasis on the conference season, but I don't know if that is always a bad thing. We kinda went through that this year with our kids and I have to admit doing the same thing. It is pretty difficult not to when you are in the heat of battle. The truth is there isn't a time when everyone isn't pushing to win, whether it is conference or post season.
 
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One thing about a kid staying home is he could be set for life after his career is over with local business connections.
 
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Yes he could, but most kids of his caliber are looking to go pro as quick as they can.
 
Re: If you guys don't care about what these kids do in school

You can find plenty of those connections at any big school. You think he couldn't find those at UK or KU?

Also he's nba caliber so that's not really a difference maker.
 
Re: If you guys don't care about what these kids do in school

Unless the big injury comes along early in his career. Like I said no one wants to be the guy that stays home and lets a coach build a team around him and maybe be the reason other top players join him. If they're good now they have to jump to the NBA game that ain't worth watchin.
 
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The game has change 3R, and not for the better I'm afraid. The days of a guy like Stipo staying home and going to Mizzou are long gone I'm afraid.
 
Re: If you guys don't care about what these kids do in school

I think you can get some of them to stay. But, you have to have a good enough team to entice them. Look at dekker at Wisconsin.

If you have a top 25 team you can get some of those kids.
 
Re: If you guys don't care about what these kids do in school

If the team/program was good enough the in state kids would stay home.., also, the nba game has never been more popular or as good!!!!
 
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You are beginning to convince me that you know nothing about basketball. Pro ball and college ball have both regressed since the 80's.
 
Pro basketball is ridiculously good right now. As good as it's ever been.
 
Re: If you guys don't care about what these kids do in school

The pro game is way better.

A big part of it is coaching; the way the game is played now is vastly superior in terms of using talent. a team from the 1980s couldn't compete with today's style. They'd get killed by the 3.

Not to mention improvements in athleticism and training.

Older people like to talk about how the game was better a long time ago in basically every sport but it's complete bull in basically every case.
 
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Athletes are better, but skill and court knowledge not even close. That is the case in college also.
 
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Originally posted by Neutron Monster:
The pro game is way better.

A big part of it is coaching; the way the game is played now is vastly superior in terms of using talent. a team from the 1980s couldn't compete with today's style. They'd get killed by the 3.

Not to mention improvements in athleticism and training.

Older people like to talk about how the game was better a long time ago in basically every sport but it's complete bull in basically every case.
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The game was called much differently now than 25-30 years ago. George Gervin would have a hard time playing in today's game with the way the game is played today. A lot of players today would struggle playing in previous era. In today's game if a player blocks a shot and the then pretty much knock the shooter to the ground in the follow through it is generally not called a foul. 30 years ago just about any contact on a shooter was a foul. Game is far more physical today overall. I'm not saying the way it is called today is wrong but apart from a few elite players the players in the 80's were better shooters.

I disagree about 3 point shooters. I think the 3 point shot is where the game has regressed. There are less good shooters now. Where players of the past would struggle is the physicality of the game today.
 
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physicality = mugging
 
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Your opinion of the three is 100 percent wrong - go look up the percent of 3 point shots made in the NBA as well as the attempts per game.

30 years ago the average team made 28 percent of their threes. 28 percent!!!! And they only attempted the shot 3 times a game.

Average NBA team today shoots 35% now from 30 while jacking up over 20 attempts a game.

The difference is staggering. Basically the players of today have been trained by shooting threes for their entire career and it has transformed the game. The rosters of 30 years ago were not set up to win under today's conditions.
 
so that means?


The next logical step is that the original Dream Team would be easily defeated by todays stars if both groups played at the peaks of their careers.

Magic Johnson
John Stockton
Larry Bird
Karl "Mailman" Malone
Charles Barkley
Patrick Ewing
Chris Mullen
Clyde "The Glide" Drexler
Michael Jordan
Scottie Pippen
David "The Admiral" Robinson
Christian Laettner
 
Re: so that means?

they probably would yes.

Advances in training and coaching are a big deal.

Plus the best all star team in the NBA has foreign players now.
 
Re: so that means?


That is the great thing about sports.....we can disagree and there really is no way we can ever know.


So what about the college game? Better of worse the past 30 years?

I'm saying the game is weaker than 30 years ago.
 
The early exits have really hurt the college game. A Ralph Sampson and Pat Ewing play all 4 years was the norm back then. When you look back to the 80's and see all the great teams and conference rivalries that were almost blood baths......

The Big East and the ACC were unbelievable, as was the level of play in the Big 8 and Big 10. By far the best era of college basketball.
 
Originally posted by WCS Coach:

The early exits have really hurt the college game. A Ralph Sampson and Pat Ewing play all 4 years was the norm back then. When you look back to the 80's and see all the great teams and conference rivalries that were almost blood baths......

The Big East and the ACC were unbelievable, as was the level of play in the Big 8 and Big 10. By far the best era of college basketball.
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Certainly that hurts at the high end, yes.

Conference is also less meaningful in a world with a 68 tourney teams versus 48. Plus they didn't used to have conference tournaments. And you've had the conference moves and expansions which have destroyed rivalries.
 
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Originally posted by Neutron Monster:
The pro game is way better.

A big part of it is coaching; the way the game is played now is vastly superior in terms of using talent. a team from the 1980s couldn't compete with today's style. They'd get killed by the 3.

Not to mention improvements in athleticism and training.

Older people like to talk about how the game was better a long time ago in basically every sport but it's complete bull in basically every case.
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I would say a team from today would be too soft to play the game of the 80's. NBA sucks now.
 
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