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JW3 leaving the Tigers?
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Isabell and bello and possibly Gant I think.
It's becoming painfully obvious KA is not going to work out and is in over his head.
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It's becoming painfully obvious KA is not going to work out and is in over his head.
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The Kim may start recruiting student athletes instead of just athletes
We must let " The Kim " do it his way .Practice sessions, game coaching and recruiting are much different under " The Kim " then Frank Haith and Mike Anderson but I can't find out what is different. The Kim is trying to develop student athletes that go to class, make their grades, stay out of the local clubs and treat women with respect. Anyone who does not like the above, don't except a basketball scholarship @ Missouri.
It appears ' The Kim " is off to a rough start and we don't know what lies ahead for the Missouri Tigers however if " The Kim " can start recruiting student athletes instead of athletes, the Missouri Tigers may serve as a model for other Universities to follow.
We must let " The Kim " do it his way .Practice sessions, game coaching and recruiting are much different under " The Kim " then Frank Haith and Mike Anderson but I can't find out what is different. The Kim is trying to develop student athletes that go to class, make their grades, stay out of the local clubs and treat women with respect. Anyone who does not like the above, don't except a basketball scholarship @ Missouri.
It appears ' The Kim " is off to a rough start and we don't know what lies ahead for the Missouri Tigers however if " The Kim " can start recruiting student athletes instead of athletes, the Missouri Tigers may serve as a model for other Universities to follow.
Williams came to Mizzou because of his recruitment by Coach Fuller. Coach Fuller is leaving and so Williams is thinking about leaving as well. He was not a Kim Anderson recruit so he may want to go. It should be noted he mulled this over last year also.
Give Anderson time. It may take him three years but we have got to stop with the unreal expectations for this basketball program. Coaches need time to build an identity for their team and Anderson has the left overs from a team that had no identity last year. There has to be some levity involved given the circumstances Coach Anderson walked into at Missouri.
Give Anderson time. It may take him three years but we have got to stop with the unreal expectations for this basketball program. Coaches need time to build an identity for their team and Anderson has the left overs from a team that had no identity last year. There has to be some levity involved given the circumstances Coach Anderson walked into at Missouri.
Re: The Kim may start recruiting student athletes instead of just athletes
Silly me! I did not realize that bringing in 3 Star players and losing 4 Star players was considered a formula for success..............
Silly me! I did not realize that bringing in 3 Star players and losing 4 Star players was considered a formula for success..............
" Silly you " if you think
Silly you if you think enrolling players who can only play basketball is the answer, I will disagree. Scholarship basketball players have a commitment to the University and if they can not honor their commitment, Transfer.
1. Go to class
2. Make their grades and get a college degree
3. Stay out of the local clubs when under 21 years old.
4. Treat people with respect.
5. Team rules
6. Others
I believe" The Kim " wants basketball players who wants to be @ Missouri and can go by the rules. All major Universities recruit high level basketball talent but some can not go by the rules therefore must transfer. We will be much better off if we can get back to recruiting " Student Athletes " regardless of their star rating. This response has nothing to do with JW3 and his ties with the Missouri Tiger basketball team.
Silly you if you think enrolling players who can only play basketball is the answer, I will disagree. Scholarship basketball players have a commitment to the University and if they can not honor their commitment, Transfer.
1. Go to class
2. Make their grades and get a college degree
3. Stay out of the local clubs when under 21 years old.
4. Treat people with respect.
5. Team rules
6. Others
I believe" The Kim " wants basketball players who wants to be @ Missouri and can go by the rules. All major Universities recruit high level basketball talent but some can not go by the rules therefore must transfer. We will be much better off if we can get back to recruiting " Student Athletes " regardless of their star rating. This response has nothing to do with JW3 and his ties with the Missouri Tiger basketball team.
I guess it's ok for some if Kim wins 10 games a year as long as he recruits choirboys.
Kim will be gone after next year if he repeats this year, which is looking very likely.
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Kim will be gone after next year if he repeats this year, which is looking very likely.
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Re: " Silly you " if you think
More like get some basketball players. The "star" argument is interesting. Talent evaluators are wowed by vertical leap and athleticism alone sometimes. Mizzou has had several 4 stars w no basketball skills and were waisted scholarships. Maybe Mizzou is at a point where they can't have 2-3 years to rebuild a program- but I think they need a few more basketball players. Wichita state and northern Iowa prove those type of kids are out there but need a few years to develop into very good players. I think Kim needs 2-3 years to get his type kids in - and we should have a bit more patience. The previous regimes had lightning in a bottle but it was always short lived and they were out the door. Just my opinion.
More like get some basketball players. The "star" argument is interesting. Talent evaluators are wowed by vertical leap and athleticism alone sometimes. Mizzou has had several 4 stars w no basketball skills and were waisted scholarships. Maybe Mizzou is at a point where they can't have 2-3 years to rebuild a program- but I think they need a few more basketball players. Wichita state and northern Iowa prove those type of kids are out there but need a few years to develop into very good players. I think Kim needs 2-3 years to get his type kids in - and we should have a bit more patience. The previous regimes had lightning in a bottle but it was always short lived and they were out the door. Just my opinion.
Re: " Silly you " if you think
Anderson and Haith got a fair amount out of the kids they brought in. You're using the Quin Snyder era as a basis. That was a long time ago under a guy who didn't develop anyone.
To add to this, WSU has a guy in the NBA right now in Early and a couple guys who will play overseas for a long time in Van Vleet and Baker. They have real talented guys who others just missed on. It's more than a system.
This is what people tell themselves when they can't get top players. It's generally delusional.Originally posted by dontthumbit:
More like get some basketball players. The "star" argument is interesting. Talent evaluators are wowed by vertical leap and athleticism alone sometimes. Mizzou has had several 4 stars w no basketball skills and were waisted scholarships. Maybe Mizzou is at a point where they can't have 2-3 years to rebuild a program- but I think they need a few more basketball players. Wichita state and northern Iowa prove those type of kids are out there but need a few years to develop into very good players. I think Kim needs 2-3 years to get his type kids in - and we should have a bit more patience. The previous regimes had lightning in a bottle but it was always short lived and they were out the door. Just my opinion.
Anderson and Haith got a fair amount out of the kids they brought in. You're using the Quin Snyder era as a basis. That was a long time ago under a guy who didn't develop anyone.
To add to this, WSU has a guy in the NBA right now in Early and a couple guys who will play overseas for a long time in Van Vleet and Baker. They have real talented guys who others just missed on. It's more than a system.
Re: " Silly you " if you think
Clarkson and brown are in the NBA but couldn't get Mizzou to NCAA last season? Jankovic and Webster chan were pretty highly regarded and couldn't play. I know u have to bring in a few highly regarded guys but to say Quinn was only previous regime that troubled this program is delusional itself. There are only so many 5 star guys and the blue bloods lock them down 90% of time. There is another way - Wisconsin - is another great example of doing things w basketball players. The rest of the country missed on all their unheralded 3 stars ? Butler has built something too. I know that there is more than one blue print - I just hope Kim gets a few years to institute his.
Clarkson and brown are in the NBA but couldn't get Mizzou to NCAA last season? Jankovic and Webster chan were pretty highly regarded and couldn't play. I know u have to bring in a few highly regarded guys but to say Quinn was only previous regime that troubled this program is delusional itself. There are only so many 5 star guys and the blue bloods lock them down 90% of time. There is another way - Wisconsin - is another great example of doing things w basketball players. The rest of the country missed on all their unheralded 3 stars ? Butler has built something too. I know that there is more than one blue print - I just hope Kim gets a few years to institute his.
Re: " Silly you " if you think
No dog in this fight, but Kaminsky, Hayes and Dekkar were 4 and 5 star recruits coming out of high school. They had offers from just about every school in the country. Nobody missed on them, they just chose Wisconsin. You take those 3 off that team, and those unheralded 3 star recruits you are referring to don't make the tourney.
I get what Coach A is trying to do, but you have to have high level players to win at that level.
No dog in this fight, but Kaminsky, Hayes and Dekkar were 4 and 5 star recruits coming out of high school. They had offers from just about every school in the country. Nobody missed on them, they just chose Wisconsin. You take those 3 off that team, and those unheralded 3 star recruits you are referring to don't make the tourney.
I get what Coach A is trying to do, but you have to have high level players to win at that level.
Re: " Silly you " if you think
Dekker was a huge HS prospect - better than anyone mizzou has signed in a long time.
Dekker was a huge HS prospect - better than anyone mizzou has signed in a long time.
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Jabari brown was really good for mizzou. He wasn't the problem. He was first team SEC and scored 20 a game!
What a bizarre example of why mizzou should be ok getting 3 star kids. Brown was a blue chipper who developed into a very good college player. Mizzou needs more of those.
Jabari brown was really good for mizzou. He wasn't the problem. He was first team SEC and scored 20 a game!
What a bizarre example of why mizzou should be ok getting 3 star kids. Brown was a blue chipper who developed into a very good college player. Mizzou needs more of those.
Re: " Silly you " if you think
This sounds like a great way to lose 20 games a year and get fired after 2-3 years.Originally posted by metro-dude:
Silly you if you think enrolling players who can only play basketball is the answer, I will disagree. Scholarship basketball players have a commitment to the University and if they can not honor their commitment, Transfer.
1. Go to class
2. Make their grades and get a college degree
3. Stay out of the local clubs when under 21 years old.
4. Treat people with respect.
5. Team rules
6. Others
I believe" The Kim " wants basketball players who wants to be @ Missouri and can go by the rules. All major Universities recruit high level basketball talent but some can not go by the rules therefore must transfer. We will be much better off if we can get back to recruiting " Student Athletes " regardless of their star rating. This response has nothing to do with JW3 and his ties with the Missouri Tiger basketball team.
If you guys don't care about what these kids do in school
Originally posted by Neutron Monster:
This sounds like a great way to lose 20 games a year and get fired after 2-3 years.Originally posted by metro-dude:
Silly you if you think enrolling players who can only play basketball is the answer, I will disagree. Scholarship basketball players have a commitment to the University and if they can not honor their commitment, Transfer.
1. Go to class
2. Make their grades and get a college degree
3. Stay out of the local clubs when under 21 years old.
4. Treat people with respect.
5. Team rules
6. Others
I believe" The Kim " wants basketball players who wants to be @ Missouri and can go by the rules. All major Universities recruit high level basketball talent but some can not go by the rules therefore must transfer. We will be much better off if we can get back to recruiting " Student Athletes " regardless of their star rating. This response has nothing to do with JW3 and his ties with the Missouri Tiger basketball team.
why don't you just follow the pro game? College is supposed to be about getting your education and learning how to be a productive member of society.
I personally don't care to have my kids looking up to a bunch of uneducated thugs who brawl and rape women. If recruiting kids like that is the formula for success, then Lord help us.
Re: If you guys don't care about what these kids do in school
WCS coach gets an " A " for his post and Neutron Monster gets a failing grade on his. Everyone has rules to follow regardless of your profession.
WCS coach gets an " A " for his post and Neutron Monster gets a failing grade on his. Everyone has rules to follow regardless of your profession.
Re: If you guys don't care about what these kids do in school
Kaminsky was a 3 star by 3 of the 4 scouting services. Only ESPN had him as a 4. And 2 of the Wisconsin guards that start may not have even been 3 stars. Jabari played w another NBA guy in clarkson and couldn't sniff the NCAA tourney? Jabari couldn't guard the 10th man on the other team so him getting 20 a night was about a wash. The nba needs to eliminate the one year college rule and let them come out for the draft. Let us have the college game back where real basketball is played instead of just during the playoffs.
Kaminsky was a 3 star by 3 of the 4 scouting services. Only ESPN had him as a 4. And 2 of the Wisconsin guards that start may not have even been 3 stars. Jabari played w another NBA guy in clarkson and couldn't sniff the NCAA tourney? Jabari couldn't guard the 10th man on the other team so him getting 20 a night was about a wash. The nba needs to eliminate the one year college rule and let them come out for the draft. Let us have the college game back where real basketball is played instead of just during the playoffs.
Re: If you guys don't care about what these kids do in school
This win at all cost mentality is disgusting. Can you guys really tell me that if it were your son playing at Mizzou you would prefer him playing for someone who put winning over personal integrity.
If Mizzou will give this man time, I have a feeling he will bring pride back to Tiger basketball.
This win at all cost mentality is disgusting. Can you guys really tell me that if it were your son playing at Mizzou you would prefer him playing for someone who put winning over personal integrity.
If Mizzou will give this man time, I have a feeling he will bring pride back to Tiger basketball.
Re: If you guys don't care about what these kids do in school
For a change, I agree with Metro and I almost always agree with WCS coach. I have a couple of questions and thoughts. No one has mentioned Coach Stewart in this equation. How many 4 or 5 star recruits did he sign? Yet he found a way to win and have a clean program. Some of you are going to say that players and basketball has changed. Has it changed in a good way? The Missouri football team has found a way to win without 4 or 5 star recruits. I think Coach Anderson can do the same thing. Some of you might think that Coach Anderson is a clone of Coach Stewart and if he is I do not see that as a bad thing. I used to love college basketball but every year it becomes more like pro basketball. I realize college sports are big business and I would not be against paying college athletes a stipend. But let's keep them in school. I do not understand the "one and done" concept. What's up with all the the transfers in the last seveal years. Gino A. just called men's basketball a "joke" can he be far from wrong. It seems to me we need some sanity back in college sports. Let's give Coach Anderson a chance.
For a change, I agree with Metro and I almost always agree with WCS coach. I have a couple of questions and thoughts. No one has mentioned Coach Stewart in this equation. How many 4 or 5 star recruits did he sign? Yet he found a way to win and have a clean program. Some of you are going to say that players and basketball has changed. Has it changed in a good way? The Missouri football team has found a way to win without 4 or 5 star recruits. I think Coach Anderson can do the same thing. Some of you might think that Coach Anderson is a clone of Coach Stewart and if he is I do not see that as a bad thing. I used to love college basketball but every year it becomes more like pro basketball. I realize college sports are big business and I would not be against paying college athletes a stipend. But let's keep them in school. I do not understand the "one and done" concept. What's up with all the the transfers in the last seveal years. Gino A. just called men's basketball a "joke" can he be far from wrong. It seems to me we need some sanity back in college sports. Let's give Coach Anderson a chance.
Re: If you guys don't care about what these kids do in school
Come on, Mizzou wasn't clean under Norm. Do you really think those kids came from Detroit because they liked the scenery?
Come on, Mizzou wasn't clean under Norm. Do you really think those kids came from Detroit because they liked the scenery?
Re: If you guys don't care about what these kids do in school
Were their any sanctions? Any charges against Coach Stewart? Daly was the reason they came to Mizzou. Be sensible college basketball is almost broken. Just like pro basketball the fan interest in regular season games is down. Wait to the playoffs.
Were their any sanctions? Any charges against Coach Stewart? Daly was the reason they came to Mizzou. Be sensible college basketball is almost broken. Just like pro basketball the fan interest in regular season games is down. Wait to the playoffs.
Re: If you guys don't care about what these kids do in school
I think you live in a dream world - major D-I sports are a business that is 99% about winning. If Mizzou wants to compete, it has to acknowledge that.
If you and metro want to live in the world of warm apple pie and ice cream, whatever, that's up to you, but come on, that's not how the game works. You take a number of kids who probably couldn't get into your college with their academic background. You work them for 30+ hours a week to where they don't have time to be a good student. They put these kids in select majors and classes with heavy tutoring where they know they can pass - Illinois uses communications, Mizzou used to use hotel & restaurant management for this. It looks like now there are 6 kids who are "undeclared" or "general studies" - they keep 'em eligible by giving them a degree in going to college. But, I'm sure that's a coincidence that these kids are being funneled to basic classes where they can pass.
This isn't the story for every single student, but it's basically impossible to build a successful D-I program with setting up a substantial support infrastructure and without taking chances on kids who aren't academically ready for your school.
The off the court stuff - kids are kids and they are going to make mistakes. You have to avoid the bad ones, I agree, but you can't focus too much on whether or not they all deserve canonization.
If Mizzou wants to recruit kids who have to have a 25 on the ACT, a 3.5 in HS, and no past, that's a tiny pod of recruits.
I think you live in a dream world - major D-I sports are a business that is 99% about winning. If Mizzou wants to compete, it has to acknowledge that.
If you and metro want to live in the world of warm apple pie and ice cream, whatever, that's up to you, but come on, that's not how the game works. You take a number of kids who probably couldn't get into your college with their academic background. You work them for 30+ hours a week to where they don't have time to be a good student. They put these kids in select majors and classes with heavy tutoring where they know they can pass - Illinois uses communications, Mizzou used to use hotel & restaurant management for this. It looks like now there are 6 kids who are "undeclared" or "general studies" - they keep 'em eligible by giving them a degree in going to college. But, I'm sure that's a coincidence that these kids are being funneled to basic classes where they can pass.
This isn't the story for every single student, but it's basically impossible to build a successful D-I program with setting up a substantial support infrastructure and without taking chances on kids who aren't academically ready for your school.
The off the court stuff - kids are kids and they are going to make mistakes. You have to avoid the bad ones, I agree, but you can't focus too much on whether or not they all deserve canonization.
If Mizzou wants to recruit kids who have to have a 25 on the ACT, a 3.5 in HS, and no past, that's a tiny pod of recruits.
Re: If you guys don't care about what these kids do in school
Also, Norm signed a ton of big recruits - he signed Chievous, Peeler, Stipo, Al White, 4 happy meal all americans.
This post was edited on 4/2 9:58 AM by Neutron Monster
This is exactly my point, thanks for agreeing. You can't win doing what metro described.Originally posted by BONE62:
Were their any sanctions? Any charges against Coach Stewart? Daly was the reason they came to Mizzou. Be sensible college basketball is almost broken. Just like pro basketball the fan interest in regular season games is down. Wait to the playoffs.
Also, Norm signed a ton of big recruits - he signed Chievous, Peeler, Stipo, Al White, 4 happy meal all americans.
This post was edited on 4/2 9:58 AM by Neutron Monster
Re: If you guys don't care about what these kids do in school
Actually yes, Mizzou was put on probation in '91 or '92. The exact year escapes me but they were banned from the postseason but got to compete in the Big 8 Tournament, which they went on to win and there was a big uproar that Mizzou shouldn't have been allowed to play in it if they were banned from the postseason because they took away a potential spot from a team that would have gotten the automatic bid.
Actually yes, Mizzou was put on probation in '91 or '92. The exact year escapes me but they were banned from the postseason but got to compete in the Big 8 Tournament, which they went on to win and there was a big uproar that Mizzou shouldn't have been allowed to play in it if they were banned from the postseason because they took away a potential spot from a team that would have gotten the automatic bid.
Re: If you guys don't care about what these kids do in school
How refreshing! It's GREAT to have at least one other person on here that lives in the real World! This naïve, mindless, and Pollyanna stuff is starting to wear thin! NO! Do NOT be confused! I REALLY like the current MU Staff! BUT, all of these fantasy items and some stupid list of Player Requirements that most of these folks here are dreaming of, they do not and will not exist in a successful SEC Basketball Program! Don't believe me.......................just read Jeff Gordon's Column in today's Post-Dispatch addressing the Tigers uphill battle they have, finding themselves in the current era SEC..................also in today's Post Sports the article about Coach K now embracing the "one and done" type players. How ironic, with Sunday being Easter and all. Maybe, just maybe the Easter Bunny could help deliver on some of these wishes....................
This post was edited on 4/2 4:13 PM by swishmeyer
How refreshing! It's GREAT to have at least one other person on here that lives in the real World! This naïve, mindless, and Pollyanna stuff is starting to wear thin! NO! Do NOT be confused! I REALLY like the current MU Staff! BUT, all of these fantasy items and some stupid list of Player Requirements that most of these folks here are dreaming of, they do not and will not exist in a successful SEC Basketball Program! Don't believe me.......................just read Jeff Gordon's Column in today's Post-Dispatch addressing the Tigers uphill battle they have, finding themselves in the current era SEC..................also in today's Post Sports the article about Coach K now embracing the "one and done" type players. How ironic, with Sunday being Easter and all. Maybe, just maybe the Easter Bunny could help deliver on some of these wishes....................
This post was edited on 4/2 4:13 PM by swishmeyer
Re: If you guys don't care about what these kids do in school
GREAT CALL! I am now convinced that blind partisan loyalists are the VERY WORST when it comes to possessing selective memory! WOW!! I'm guessing these same folks have forgotten all about the stuff that led to Norm's departure when he was called back to Columbia from San Diego when it was discovered that one his players (Albert White} had stopped attending classes in the second semester and a certain 5 Star player told the then new AD (Mike Alden) if Norm returns...................me and my buddy are out of here!
GREAT CALL! I am now convinced that blind partisan loyalists are the VERY WORST when it comes to possessing selective memory! WOW!! I'm guessing these same folks have forgotten all about the stuff that led to Norm's departure when he was called back to Columbia from San Diego when it was discovered that one his players (Albert White} had stopped attending classes in the second semester and a certain 5 Star player told the then new AD (Mike Alden) if Norm returns...................me and my buddy are out of here!
Clarkson and Brown were all Mizzou had last year. Got killed inside and on the boards. JWIII was all they had inside. That's why they couldn't get to NCAAs.
Transfers are the big trend. NCAA estimates 200-300 basketball players will transfer each year. Getting harder to find team players with allure of NBA $$ hanging in the balance. JWIII has 2 years left and decided he couldn't wait around for a rebuilding project.
I predict Kim Anderson will only get one more year and be fired. New AD is a hatchet man. That's a shame for Anderson. He will stick to his principles and recruit the "good kid" types, and I'm all for that approach. Nothing says a good kid can't be a good player too. Wouldn't it be refreshing to have a good team that fans can be proud of representing.
But Anderson will have to land a big time recruit like Jayson Tatum soon. I hope he is given a fair chance and 3-4 seasons to turn things around, but afraid he won't with the opinions like on here. Instant gratification and and good student/athlete/citizens be damned.
Transfers are the big trend. NCAA estimates 200-300 basketball players will transfer each year. Getting harder to find team players with allure of NBA $$ hanging in the balance. JWIII has 2 years left and decided he couldn't wait around for a rebuilding project.
I predict Kim Anderson will only get one more year and be fired. New AD is a hatchet man. That's a shame for Anderson. He will stick to his principles and recruit the "good kid" types, and I'm all for that approach. Nothing says a good kid can't be a good player too. Wouldn't it be refreshing to have a good team that fans can be proud of representing.
But Anderson will have to land a big time recruit like Jayson Tatum soon. I hope he is given a fair chance and 3-4 seasons to turn things around, but afraid he won't with the opinions like on here. Instant gratification and and good student/athlete/citizens be damned.
Why on earth would Jayson Tatum come to Mizzou. We have to face reality here - a top 10 player isn't coming to a team that can't win 10 games.
You know what makes fans proud? Winning. You know what puts fans in the stands? Winning. You know what brings revenue for the program? Winning? The reality is, in college athletics, that is what keeps the fans happy, the AD happy, and it keeps coaches employed.
You know what makes fans proud? Winning. You know what puts fans in the stands? Winning. You know what brings revenue for the program? Winning? The reality is, in college athletics, that is what keeps the fans happy, the AD happy, and it keeps coaches employed.
I think you have to avoid the knuckleheads; I agree with this. But, I don't think you can say he hasn't taken chances on kids - see DGB. Also the Sasha Menu Courey accusations. Look at their use of JuCos to miraculously get kids eligible.Originally posted by wcowherd:
Why is it an either/or situation? Pinkel wins with generally good kids.
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I think the expectations of Pinkel are where they should be - kids will make mistakes, and some players on the team aren't going to be academic wizards. But you have to do enough to stay out of the papers and to avoid causing problems within the program.
What happened to kids that would go to a school to be THE guy to help get others like him and make it a winning team rather than go to a place that already has 6 or 8 others guys just like him? If a kid like Tatum would come then a couple would come too and they could be good immediately and get better the next year when even more guys like him came along.
Re: If you guys don't care about what these kids do in school
I started to mention Norm, but didn't want to get sidetracked by the Norm Stewart hate mob that only measures success by Final Fours and National Championships. We are both old enough to remember when Missouri basketball was nothing. Norm Stewart changed that and built a national program that was respected and could compete with any school in the country. He actually could coach basketball and develop players. I still marvel at the job he did with guys like Greg Church and Mike Sandbothe at Mizzou.
I have always thought the team he had in 88-89 was good enough to win a national championship had Norm not had his bout with colin cancer at the end of the season.
29-8 record for the season, finished 10-4 and 2nd in Big 8 Conference, shot 70% as a team from the free throw line, played tough defense and was great rebounding team.
This team was balanced and had loads of talent:
Byron Irvin 19.7
Lee Coward 12.2
Anthony Peeler 10.1
Doug Smith 13.9
Gary Leonard 10.4
Greg Church 9.1
Mike Sandbothe 5.7
Nathan Buntin 4.6
I'm of the belief that they win the Big 8 and were a Final Four team had Stewart not taken ill towards the end of the season. The perception of Stewart would be a lot different today.
I started to mention Norm, but didn't want to get sidetracked by the Norm Stewart hate mob that only measures success by Final Fours and National Championships. We are both old enough to remember when Missouri basketball was nothing. Norm Stewart changed that and built a national program that was respected and could compete with any school in the country. He actually could coach basketball and develop players. I still marvel at the job he did with guys like Greg Church and Mike Sandbothe at Mizzou.
I have always thought the team he had in 88-89 was good enough to win a national championship had Norm not had his bout with colin cancer at the end of the season.
29-8 record for the season, finished 10-4 and 2nd in Big 8 Conference, shot 70% as a team from the free throw line, played tough defense and was great rebounding team.
This team was balanced and had loads of talent:
Byron Irvin 19.7
Lee Coward 12.2
Anthony Peeler 10.1
Doug Smith 13.9
Gary Leonard 10.4
Greg Church 9.1
Mike Sandbothe 5.7
Nathan Buntin 4.6
I'm of the belief that they win the Big 8 and were a Final Four team had Stewart not taken ill towards the end of the season. The perception of Stewart would be a lot different today.
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