"Just work harder" (again)

[Pancho and Lefty]

16 of the top 28 players in 247 (all 3 and 4 stars) attend private schools. 7 of them attend Cardinal Ritter.
So far, 9 of the first 16 in the post dispatch top 30 attend private schools.
From the post dispatch this am in article about Landon Pace at SLU - "He fits in with all the kinds of kids on the team from all walks of life," Cruz said. "At SLUH, we have guys from over 190 zip codes and Landon can fit in with everybody, which is cool."

Tell me again why schools who draw from multiple zip codes play in the same playoff system as those who are bound to 1 or 2?

 

[J. Kane]

 

[Veer2Eternity]

16 of the top 28 players in 247 (all 3 and 4 stars) attend private schools. 7 of them attend Cardinal Ritter.
So far, 9 of the first 16 in the post dispatch top 30 attend private schools.
From the post dispatch this am in article about Landon Pace at SLU - "He fits in with all the kinds of kids on the team from all walks of life," Cruz said. "At SLUH, we have guys from over 190 zip codes and Landon can fit in with everybody, which is cool."

Tell me again why schools who draw from multiple zip codes play in the same playoff system as those who are bound to 1 or 2?

Private schools that opt to compete in MO playoffs should be classified by the total enrollment of the district they reside in.

Don't like playing against schools that pull from the same talent pool?

Get better

 

[Toots_mcgee]

Those coaches just know how to develop players better.

 

[cardsfan200306]

16 of the top 28 players in 247 (all 3 and 4 stars) attend private schools. 7 of them attend Cardinal Ritter.
So far, 9 of the first 16 in the post dispatch top 30 attend private schools.
From the post dispatch this am in article about Landon Pace at SLU - "He fits in with all the kinds of kids on the team from all walks of life," Cruz said. "At SLUH, we have guys from over 190 zip codes and Landon can fit in with everybody, which is cool."

Tell me again why schools who draw from multiple zip codes play in the same playoff system as those who are bound to 1 or 2?

We should not stop the champ factor at 2.
3 to 7 is a 1 class bump
8 and above is 2, why???
How about 8-12 is 2
12-16 is 3
16+ is 4 class bump

Furthermore why should kids from a different state be allowed to compete for a MO state title

 

[sw5890]

16 of the top 28 players in 247 (all 3 and 4 stars) attend private schools. 7 of them attend Cardinal Ritter.
So far, 9 of the first 16 in the post dispatch top 30 attend private schools.
From the post dispatch this am in article about Landon Pace at SLU - "He fits in with all the kinds of kids on the team from all walks of life," Cruz said. "At SLUH, we have guys from over 190 zip codes and Landon can fit in with everybody, which is cool."

Tell me again why schools who draw from multiple zip codes play in the same playoff system as those who are bound to 1 or 2?

The advantages are so obvious it's almost comical when people try to suggest it's fair.

 

[Pancho and Lefty]

Private schools that opt to compete in MO playoffs should be classified by the total enrollment of the district they reside in.

Don't like playing against schools that pull from the same talent pool?

Get better

You make a decent point on classify them on the total enrollment of the district they reside in, but you are totally wrong in them pulling from the same talent pool. Privates can be pulling from dozens of talent pools (25 mile radius for privates) and even seperate states.

 

[Pancho and Lefty]

We should not stop the champ factor at 2.
3 to 7 is a 1 class bump
8 and above is 2, why???
How about 8-12 is 2
12-16 is 3
16+ is 4 class bump

Furthermore why should kids from a different state be allowed to compete for a MO state title

I would contend that the championship factor really has no bearing on things. Is Ritter any different at class 3 vs class 5? They could be class 6, and most likely only lose to other privates if they lose (DeSmet, CBC, Rockhurst types). The factor really only affects the Valle type private schools who are smaller and in a more rural area.

 

[AC100]

Ritter should absolutely be class 6.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

I would contend that the championship factor really has no bearing on things. Is Ritter any different at class 3 vs class 5? They could be class 6, and most likely only lose to other privates if they lose (DeSmet, CBC, Rockhurst types). The factor really only affects the Valle type private schools who are smaller and in a more rural area.

Valle is in a class 3-4 talent pool without considering they pull from more than one county.

What the championship factor is doing is moving some of the private schools up to the 'middle classes' that havent had to deal with them as much as 1, 2 and 6. It's going to end up waking some folks up i think.

 

[Arcola]

The only way this happens is two plus years after a private school sweep or darn near it.

 

[cardsfan200306]

I would contend that the championship factor really has no bearing on things. Is Ritter any different at class 3 vs class 5? They could be class 6, and most likely only lose to other privates if they lose (DeSmet, CBC, Rockhurst types). The factor really only affects the Valle type private schools who are smaller and in a more rural area.

Trust me I'd love a all private school class but I just don't even see that being considered reasonable to mshsaa so I try to come up with options they consider reasonable.

 

[thetophat2021]

Ritter should absolutely be class 6.

Illinois 8A..................

 

[BearsCountry]

It's a St. Louis problem because their public schools suck.

 

[Baldguy]

Perhaps instead of trying to get a separate class for private schools, we move towards pushing St. Louis and its metro to form their own association. They have their city titles and the rest of Missouri has MSHSAA. Both sides would probably be happier and a chunk (not all) of the public vs private nonsense would dwindle.

 

[thesnow.flakegazette]

🥱. Let me know when private schools win more state championships than public schools do.

The thing I do agree with is private schools should be capped at jumping up to 3 class instead of 2.

 

[thetophat2021]

Perhaps instead of trying to get a separate class for private schools, we move towards pushing St. Louis and its metro to form their own association. They have their city titles and the rest of Missouri has MSHSAA. Both sides would probably be happier and a chunk (not all) of the public vs private nonsense would dwindle.

What about regionalization? Just throwing it out there....................

 

[JNsDaddyzDaddyIownU]

We should not stop the champ factor at 2.
3 to 7 is a 1 class bump
8 and above is 2, why???
How about 8-12 is 2
12-16 is 3
16+ is 4 class bump

Furthermore why should kids from a different state be allowed to compete for a MO state title

I wonder about schools like Missouri State giving away 72% of Missouri scholarship money to out-of-state kids.

 

[cardsfan200306]

I wonder about schools like Missouri State giving away 72% of Missouri scholarship money to out-of-state kids.

Not much of a problem with it as they compete in a national association and not a Missouri association

 

[Veer_left]

Whay gets under my skin is watching the olympics and hearing athletes from every country.....she goes to ohio state....he goes to stanford....alabama...michigan and so on. A lot more american kids could play college sports if it wasnt for that.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

Whay gets under my skin is watching the olympics and hearing athletes from every country.....she goes to ohio state....he goes to stanford....alabama...michigan and so on. A lot more american kids could play college sports if it wasnt for that.

Free market. Get better.

 

[Pancho and Lefty]

🥱. Let me know when private schools win more state championships than public schools do.

The thing I do agree with is private schools should be capped at jumping up to 3 class instead of 2.

What is the proportion numbers of public to private state championship percentage?

 

[hangmanbobbyjaggers]

16 of the top 28 players in 247 (all 3 and 4 stars) attend private schools. 7 of them attend Cardinal Ritter.
So far, 9 of the first 16 in the post dispatch top 30 attend private schools.
From the post dispatch this am in article about Landon Pace at SLU - "He fits in with all the kinds of kids on the team from all walks of life," Cruz said. "At SLUH, we have guys from over 190 zip codes and Landon can fit in with everybody, which is cool."

Tell me again why schools who draw from multiple zip codes play in the same playoff system as those who are bound to 1 or 2?

 

[hangmanbobbyjaggers]

You make a decent point on classify them on the total enrollment of the district they reside in, but you are totally wrong in them pulling from the same talent pool. Privates can be pulling from dozens of talent pools (25 mile radius for privates) and even seperate states.

25 mile radius be like.....

 

[JNsDaddyzDaddyIownU]

What is the proportion numbers of public to private state championship percentage?

Since they started Class 6 in 2022. 10 Privates and 12 Publics have won state.

 

[MoSooner69]

and yet the privates accomplish that with far less than 45% of the schools that make up Class 6. and while some classes will be more obvious than others, its evident.


Yet, they dont recruit, or have an unfair advantage.

 

[cardsfan200306]

Since they started Class 6 in 2022. 10 Privates and 12 Publics have won state.

But but just work harder.

Stupid mfers

 

[Veer_left]

Free market. Get better.

Go back into hiding.

 

[thetophat2021]

But but just work harder.

Stupid mfers

You are in quite the mood today!

 

[hangmanbobbyjaggers]

Safe to say that private schools definitely work smarter... not harder!

 

[thetophat2021]

Safe to say that private schools definitely work smarter... not harder!

Let's see the reaction: 2023 was a "down" year for the STL privates (only the Ritter all stars won a title). Won't be the case this year................

 

[Veer2Eternity]

Go back into hiding.

I'd have to start hiding first.

 

[thesnow.flakegazette]

Since they started Class 6 in 2022. 10 Privates and 12 Publics have won state.

Incorrect. Missouri went to 6 classes in 2002. Private schools have won 29 state titles. Public have won 103.

 

[quadzilla200]

Interesting article I stumbled on looking for what percent of MSHSAA is public, which is 85%.

"Do we have schools attached to sports teams? Or do we have sports teams attached to schools?"
https://www.maryvilleforum.com/opin...cle_1b3d97a8-9474-11ee-91d8-5b20d241522f.html

 

[Veer2Eternity]

Interesting article I stumbled on looking for what percent of MSHSAA is public, which is 85%.

"Do we have schools attached to sports teams? Or do we have sports teams attached to schools?"
https://www.maryvilleforum.com/opin...cle_1b3d97a8-9474-11ee-91d8-5b20d241522f.html

Nailed it:

"But right now, by continuing to cater to the needs of private schools, the only lesson our kids are learning is that a privileged few with the money and influence to write their own rules will always get every advantage they can grab — and too many others will be more than happy to ensure they get the chance.
… You know what, forget the whole thing. Maybe kids are learning exactly what they need to learn after all. "

 

[cardsfan200306]

You are in quite the mood today!

Yeah the private/public al2ays gets me

 

[JNsDaddyzDaddyIownU]

Incorrect. Missouri went to 6 classes in 2002. Private schools have won 29 state titles. Public have won 103.

So since 2002 in C6 what is the breakdown? I have ten of those being private schools.

 

[thesnow.flakegazette]

So since 2002 in C6 what is the breakdown? I have ten of those being private schools.

So when a private school goes on a run such as CBC goes on a run (they have 5 of those 10 championships), it's unfair or cheating, but when a public school does it, like Blue Springs winning 4 titles in a similar time frame, it's not?

 

[Veer2Eternity]

So when a private school goes on a run such as CBC goes on a run (they have 5 of those 10 championships), it's unfair or cheating, but when a public school does it, like Blue Springs winning 4 titles in a similar time frame, it's not?

Blue springs was recruiting too.

But for blue springs it was actually against the rules.

 

[hangmanbobbyjaggers]

So when a private school goes on a run such as CBC goes on a run (they have 5 of those 10 championships), it's unfair or cheating, but when a public school does it, like Blue Springs winning 4 titles in a similar time frame, it's not?

Do Illinois players or Kansas players count on the enrollment?